Buddy Blank said...
Infectious Diseases Society of America (ISDA): hydroxychloroquine shouldn’t be used at all for Covid
"IDSA now recommends not to use hydroxychloroquine either by itself or along with the antibiotic azithromycin for patients with the coronavirus, even in hospitals. The society previously called for limited use of hydroxychloroquine in trials."
Bloomberg story -> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-21/hydroxychloroquine-shouldn-t-be-used-at-all-for-covid-isda-says
IDSA Guidelines -> https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guideline-treatment-and-management/
And the beat goes on...
Yes it does! From the Bloomberg article:
"Hospitals should drop using the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine altogether to treat Covid-19 patients, even if it’s in a clinical trial, according to new medical guidelines..............The Infectious Diseases Society of America revised its Covid-19 treatment guidelines Friday, toughening its stance against the use of the anti-malarial drug that’s been widely touted by President Donald Trump as a way to deal with the pandemic.
IDSA now recommends not to use hydroxychloroquine either by itself or along with the antibiotic azithromycin for patients with the coronavirus, even in hospitals. The society previously called for limited use of hydroxychloroquine in trials......................
“IDSA’s expert guidelines panel concluded that higher certainty benefits (e.g., mortality reduction) for the use of these treatments are now highly unlikely even if additional high quality data would become available,” the group said in a statement.
Earlier, a National Institutes of Health panel recommended against using hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin, unless in a clinical trial, because of an increased risk of cardiac arrest. The agency halted its own clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine in June.
Trump Says Warnings Against Anti-Malaria Drug Were Political "
So, they found "an increased risk of cardiac arrest", contradicting the latter results by Henry Ford Health, who -though they were aggressively looking for exactly that- saw zero heart related issues in their couple of thousand patients. (Also, didn't the study that had to be retracted also show heart problems?) So I suppose one of them is right(or both?), but we also have the long, long history of this drug being prescribed around the world, with apparently acceptable safety parameters, at least until Trump brought it up. Whether coincidental or not, that seems to have been the end of it for this country, at least regarding the big authorities like NIH, Fauci, etc.
But then we have Switzerland, with 1/2 our over all death rate. And I can't help but wonder about
Sweden, with their current 1 death/day average, 26 people in the entire country of 10+ million sick enough for ICU. Are they using it? I don't know. And India with their 30 deaths per million death rate, and where they definitely use it. There seem to be a whole bunch of countries where use is common, which also have done a heck of a lot better than the countries that severely limit it's use have done(including USA). But, I suppose all those countries might be wrong and we might be right. Could be.I certainly don't know. Maybe Henry Ford Health was wrong.
As Tudpock says, time will tell. But I am between a rock and a hard place. I want it to work because physicians are more likely to consider a presription drug than they are IV vitamin C or the HCQ like supplement Quercetin with zinc, which I take(NOT advising anyone do the same!). But OTOH, if it turns out it was actually helpful, then that will be some terrible news for all of those who were denied it. I'm sure they will be asking "For what?". If it turns out to be even a little helpful, that is going to be a nightmare for some folks. So, no good news there either way. Some good news would be nice.https://techstartups.com/2020/07/23/countries-using-hydroxychloroquine-low-coronavirus-fatality-rate-compared-countries-dont-association-american-physicians-surgeons-says/http://joannenova.com.au/2020/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/
Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 8/22/2020 5:59:25 PM (GMT-6)