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Pratoman
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Posted 10/26/2020 8:29 AM (GMT -7)
I always generally have always done fine on 6 1/2 -7 hours sleep.
Lately though my sleep patterns have changed. i go to sleep a bit later, usually around 1 AM, and sleep till around 10, sometimes later. Yes i get up at night once or twice, sometimes up for an hour, sometimes right back to sleep. But i am sleeping 8 1/2 hours a night.
Last night i went to sleep at midnight, slept till 3:30, back to sleep at 5, and slept till 10:30am.

Do you guys generally sleep more as you get older? I always thought less. Its making me a little nervous (what else is new). i have a checkup coming next week, the day after i turn 70. I'll be interested in the bloodwork which i will do this week.
My blood sugar which i take at home, has always been high, at around 105-110 fasting, but lately has been running 115-122, and comes down later in the day. So i wonder if theres a connection. I also had anemia a few years ago, never figured out the reason , but was remedied with plasma transfusions, and i wonder if its returned. I 5 mwonder if my T has crashed again, after recovering from ADT as of 5 months ago, and maybe thats the reason. I notice an occasional mini hot flash once in a while.
I'm also used to being active. The last 6 months, like many, much less so. I do get a 2 mile walk in most days, but other than that, i play a little guitar, then just sit around, read, watch tv unless i am going food shopping. i DONT think its a sign of depression in my case, i'm not thrilled with whats going on but i dont think i am clinically depressed by any stretch.
Anway , curious if anyone else has had a similar experience.
Some of my friends tell me they wish they could sleep till 10am. I dont like it.
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logoslidat
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Posted 10/26/2020 8:38 AM (GMT -7)
Less ....but I have catchup days evry 10 days or so...I never sleep after 430am ...dusk and dawn are the best times of day for me and of coarse a short catnap atound beer thirty...if ones system works for one...be...no worry...logo
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Wilderness
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Posted 10/26/2020 8:47 AM (GMT -7)
In addition to anemia you might also check TSH. If thyroid is underproducing you would have those symptoms -

Best -
Wilderness.
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mattam
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Posted 10/26/2020 9:02 AM (GMT -7)
Before Lupron it was 9pm, wake up at 5:30 am. With Lupron, bedtime is 8pm. Interestingly, I have been locked into waking up at 5:30 am for many years. Even if I went to bed at 2am, I'd be up at 5:30 am. I don't think I could sleep in late if wanted to.
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halbert
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Posted 10/26/2020 12:53 PM (GMT -7)
I'm definitely sleeping less than I used to. I'm like mattam, 5-5:30 is wake up time, even in the middle of winter when the sun doesn't show up till 7. We'll see what happens in a few years when I don't have to get up and go to work.
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logoslidat
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Posted 10/26/2020 12:58 PM (GMT -7)
Since you brought up depression...im going out on the limb and say while it may not be clinical depression...and since I know as much abour depression as you know about PCA.( which is not neglible...we can both practice our side gig here)...it is depression...we all get depressed...your mind needs to say yes to your bodies desire to say no...be reasonable in this...not dogmatic...give your self a break once in a while from yourself...if meds help...find out.which ones will help..seriously...Prato I sense from you a man that really wants to have a good cry...sob session...mental health is no differen from heart health...any health...you feel yourself slipping away...swallow your pride get some help. ...your friends here will never tell you ...I will....if I have overstepped my bounds...so whats new...ill take that chance...lets be real here is there any man your age that sleeps in till 1030am just for grins and giggle...ya noticed I said sleeps IN not sleeps till...big difference...and Im sorry It just don't work that way in men of our age... good luck logo I will rely on Occam's Razor for rational of thought when required and a of a higlly sensitive mind for the rest
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/26/2020 1:52 PM (GMT -7)
People often talk of "catching up on sleep", and I know the feeling, but we never catch up on lost sleep.
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Posted 10/26/2020 2:43 PM (GMT -7)
I wear a fitbit 24/7. i average 7 hours a night and that includes daytime naps. i get up three times per night to pee and the intervals are fairly consistent. you can also check quality of sleep but i don't pay for that feature.
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Pratoman
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Posted 10/26/2020 3:06 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks fir the replies.

@Wilderness, thanks, my PCP checks my thyroid function every year, it’s always been in the middle of the normal range, I’m sure he will check it at my next visit in a week, thanks,

@ logo, no , you’re not “overstepping your bounds”. I asked because I want others experience and honest answers, so thanks. I’ve considered obviously that it might be depression. I have no mental aversion to a drug for that. I was on Zoloft for about 3 years, but weaned myself off of it. However, I’ve thought about going back on it because I’m admittedly bothered by the Covid thing, and the limits it places on us all. But at the same time, I’m on 4 prescription drugs Daily, plus Cialis every other day, plus aspirin daily, vit d3, Prilosec . The thought of adding another pill is not making very appealing. But maybe.

I should also mention, I came down with a bad cold 3 1/2 weeks ago, and it hasn’t completely resolved, I’m still coughing and somewhat stuffy. Seems like a long time.

Everyone’s answers confirm what I was thinking, I should be sleeping less, not more.
If anything comes of this I’ll report back.
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Posted 10/26/2020 3:30 PM (GMT -7)
<< I’m on 4 prescription drugs Daily, plus Cialis every other day, plus aspirin daily, vit d3, Prilosec . The thought of adding another pill is not making very appealing. >>

Mick Jagger said on David Letterman skit:

“You start out playing rock n’ roll so you can have sex and do drugs, but you end up taking drugs so that you can still play rock n’ roll and have sex”

I guess that's the way it is when we get older - more scripts. 🙂
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Cyclone-ISU
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Posted 10/26/2020 4:23 PM (GMT -7)

Hello, Pratoman ~

Good ideas shared, already!

You might still be "kicking" the last remnants of that pesky cold ---

I just had my monthly consultation with my doctor, and asked him to review all my labs, to make sure everything was on track.

You might ask to have your testosterone checked --- but also get your ferritin checked, to ensure proper iron levels. If it's low, you can take iron supplements or increase iron intake in your diet.

There are times when my doctor tells me to bolster my iron intake. Steaks, roast beef, burgers, and even Grape Nuts cereal -- all packed with iron.

Because of medications I take, I am always borderline anemic, but seem to have no issues. Check on the possibility of anemia ...

Thyroid level was another good suggestion ...

They can easily run a depression screening --- in fact, my clinic now does a brief screening for all oncology patients at each appointment.

One more idea --- sleep apnea? If so, a sleep study might be indicated.

Good idea to have a brotherly chat with you doctor, and your doctor can put in some lab work orders --- for some of these possibilities.

Keep in touch --- just a few extra thoughts to share ~~~
CYCLONE ~ # Iowa State University
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GoBucks
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Posted 10/26/2020 4:36 PM (GMT -7)
I have been going to bed earlier and sleeping longer. 10:30 to 7. If I have a "bad night"(which happens about 4-5 times a month) I stay in bed until 8:30 or even 9. I don't sleep straight through. I have multiple hot flashes and sometimes have trouble getting back to sleep. Strangely I have NOT been getting up to pee.
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Pratoman
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Posted 10/26/2020 5:42 PM (GMT -7)
Mick Jagger said on David Letterman skit:

“You start out playing rock n’ roll so you can have sex and do drugs, but you end up taking drugs so that you can still play rock n’ roll and have sex”

I guess that's the way it is when we get older - more scripts. 🙂

More appropriate than you know, since i started taking guitar lessons earlier this year LOLOL
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Pratoman
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Posted 10/26/2020 5:47 PM (GMT -7)
Cyclone, thanks for the thoughtful ideas.
In fact, i had high ferritin at one time, ironically, around the time that i also had anemia, which seemed to make no sense to me. They sent me for all kinds of tests FOR THE ANEMIA, including colonoscopy, and found no cause. The ferritin, ultimately resolved itself and the hematologist concluded it was something environmental and nothing to be concerned about.
I did ask the PCP when he mailed the lab order to me, to include Testosterone, even though i am getting that checked at MSKCC in two weeks at the same time as my dreaded 6 month PSA.

If the ferritin is not on the lab order, i will definitely ask for it.


Cyclone-ISU said...

Hello, Pratoman ~

Good ideas shared, already!

You might still be "kicking" the last remnants of that pesky cold ---

I just had my monthly consultation with my doctor, and asked him to review all my labs, to make sure everything was on track.

You might ask to have your testosterone checked --- but also get your ferritin checked, to ensure proper iron levels. If it's low, you can take iron supplements or increase iron intake in your diet.

There are times when my doctor tells me to bolster my iron intake. Steaks, roast beef, burgers, and even Grape Nuts cereal -- all packed with iron.

Because of medications I take, I am always borderline anemic, but seem to have no issues. Check on the possibility of anemia ...

Thyroid level was another good suggestion ...

They can easily run a depression screening --- in fact, my clinic now does a brief screening for all oncology patients at each appointment.

One more idea --- sleep apnea? If so, a sleep study might be indicated.

Good idea to have a brotherly chat with you doctor, and your doctor can put in some lab work orders --- for some of these possibilities.

Keep in touch --- just a few extra thoughts to share ~~~
CYCLONE ~ # Iowa State University

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Pratoman
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Posted 10/26/2020 5:49 PM (GMT -7)

GoBucks said...
I have been going to bed earlier and sleeping longer. 10:30 to 7. If I have a "bad night"(which happens about 4-5 times a month) I stay in bed until 8:30 or even 9. I don't sleep straight through. I have multiple hot flashes and sometimes have trouble getting back to sleep. Strangely I have NOT been getting up to pee.


gobucks, sounds like me, except 1. the hours are different, and 2. i get up to pee. I thought i was done with that after my RALP, but alas, SRT seems to have put me back in that box.
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VinceInMT
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Posted 10/26/2020 6:17 PM (GMT -7)
I have never been a fan of sleep. I enjoy the waking hours too much to spend any more time in bed than I have too. For many of my 20s I worked shift work. When I was in the army I did weird rotating shifts, 3 days on day, 3 on swing, 3 on mids, followed by 3 days off before I ended up on a missile site in Europe and did 24 on/24 off for 14 months. When I got out I worked in a factory on the midnight shift for 5 years. After that I was pretty well trained to get by on as little as possible.

Now, retired, I still head for bed about 8:30-9:30pm and get up about 5am. Even though I've had RALP I still get up to pee 2-3 times during the night. That's probably because the high level alarm in my bladder goes off earlier than it did before the surgery and since I am a runner I drink lots of water.

I NEVER nap, ever. I exercise 6 days/week, mostly running but swimming a couples days too.

On occasion I wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep. When that happens I go down the hall to my studio and draw. An hour or two of that and I'm ready to sleep again.
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mattam
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Posted 10/26/2020 6:22 PM (GMT -7)
<< i get up to pee. I thought i was done with that after my RALP, but alas, SRT seems to have put me back in that box. >>

Exactly my experience. One reason I picked the RP/ART route was I thought I'd at least be able to pee relatively normally again, which I did after surgery. I guess they "forgot" to tell me that my bladder would lose its elasticity from RT.

That may be why I spend so many hours in bed - it's hard to get true rest when you wake up 4 or more times to pee
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Bohemond
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Posted 10/26/2020 6:53 PM (GMT -7)
Less for me as I get older. I've always been a night owl. My pattern these days is to usually be asleep by midnight or so, but awake again in the dark morning hours 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. or so when I need to pee and then read on my Kindle for an hour or more. Sometimes I try to turn it off and get to sleep but end up turning it back on and reading some more. Eventually back to sleep and then up by 8 or so. It works for me. Sometimes I sleep right through and am actually disappointed that I missed my hour or two of quiet reading time. I've never taken daytime naps. Occasionally it catches up to me and I crash at 10 p.m. or so, but then usually find myself wide awake at 3 a.m. or whatever. It is what it is. To me sleep has always seemed like lost time.
Jim
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NewspaperLover
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Posted 10/26/2020 7:54 PM (GMT -7)
Less. Sleep 6 - 7 hours, usually starting around midnight. Eight hours or more is long past. My wife goes to bed around 10, so the next two hours are spent reading, unless I indulge myself with something like last night’s Seahawks’ game. Urinate once in the night, but usually get back to sleep pretty quickly. In the am, start out with multiple Mexican coffees with my wife, then try to do some physical work. Almost never nap. No doubt I am sleep deprived compared to my long ago Irish ancestors. Ireland barely gets seven hours of often rain shrouded light in winter. For Irish peasants, even candles would have been a luxury. Endless winter hours must have been spent abed — people were better rested, probably helped with survival in a world without medical care. Blame Edison.
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Saipan Paradise
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Posted 10/26/2020 8:48 PM (GMT -7)
I'm sleeping more, and more deeply. I attribute it to 45mg mirtazapine (Remeron) at bedtime. It's been a game changer.
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Posted 10/26/2020 8:54 PM (GMT -7)
Pratoman

Have you ever had a sleep study? When you have your app’t next week, might be a good question to discuss with your PCP

I was diagnosed with moderate sleep apnea in 2015. I now sleep connected to a cpap machine every night. My sleep pattern is now normal. I don’t snore anymore. I don’t wake up as much and as a bonus, I’ve been able to get rid of acid reflux meds.

I have an annual meeting with a sleep specialist. The cpap has a wireless modem and they can analyze my sleep pattern.

Anyone out there who snores should consider a sleep study.

Al
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Steve n Dallas
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Posted 10/27/2020 2:03 AM (GMT -7)
Every day is an adventure for me.... Currently I sleep from 9pm to 3:30am.

Between my bladder, my dogs bladder and my cat's need for another bowl of food in the middle of the night, I wake up at least twice.

I'm three months into staying with a friend while my house gets remodeled. Before this, I'd take two naps of at least 90 minutes at 7am and 1pm.
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Posted 10/27/2020 3:13 AM (GMT -7)
I historically slept 6 hours, habit formed in the Navy. I now sleep pretty regularly 8. I attribute that to a few things. one my urinary function is now very normal. Many night I sleep straight through. I also think that the anxiety of PC has left me to the most part. I also am very active, often play 36 holes of golf, work out, etc.

My opinion is there is no real normal, sure there are averages. Remember averages span many numbers. One key question is do you wake rested? The quality of the sleep may be more important than the quantity.

Denis
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Pratoman
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Posted 10/27/2020 4:54 AM (GMT -7)
Manfred thanks for the suggestion. I always hesitated to do a sleep study, because 1. i never wanted to spend a night in one of those sleep centers, especially now, and 2. i can't imagine sleeping with one of those cpaps every night. I dont even wear my nightguard to prevent teeth grinding, because it.s so uncomfortable. But macybe i should consider it, especially if i can do it from home.

Mattam, thanks for confirming its the SRT that causes me to pee at night. Hate that.

Denis, good question....i feel rested after 81/2 -9 hours sleep, yes. Not after 5-6 like i used to. Re golf, God bless you, i dont know how you play 36 holes in a day. I enjoy golf, and play 3x a week when i am in Florida in winter. Cant imagine playing more than a round. Where do you even find the time.

Ironically, i went to sleep last night at 1AM, and woke this morning at 6:30am. Dont feel 100% rested. But i really want to try to adjust y sleep cycle, so didnt try to go back to sleep.We'll see what the next few days bring.

Thanks for all the great responses.
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Posted 10/27/2020 5:22 AM (GMT -7)
It will all make sense on Sunday when the clock gets turned back...

Did a sleep study years ago which was negative but knocked an item off the "why am I so tired" list. It was done overnight at a facility with a lot of wires hooked up so hard to imagine it being done at home unless a technician stayed overnight with you with all the equipment. Hardly could sleep with all the stuff hooked up and not being able to roll around much. Tech said they got what they needed from the handful of hours of actual sleep measured.
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