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logoslidat
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Posted 1/12/2021 11:59 AM (GMT -7)
My tongue is sore from biting it...Staap me ...as Popye once said,,,,thas alls i can stand...I can't stands no more...ugg
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Tudpock18
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Posted 1/12/2021 12:06 PM (GMT -7)
Todd, I'll just reiterate the advice given about SSDI. No matter how much you have personally spoken with the SS folks please don't take this to the bank yet. Get a qualified and experienced attorned to help you thru the process. I have a brother who was obviously and distinctly qualified to get SSDI. My father tried to work thru the process for years with multiple rejections. It finally took an experienced attorney to get it done. The SS folks are notorious for SSDI turndowns.

Good luck.

Jim
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/12/2021 12:16 PM (GMT -7)
Hey Logo. Why don’t you just spit it out. You never have anything nice to say anyway so I have come to expect your crap. I will just ignore you like I always do.
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/12/2021 12:24 PM (GMT -7)
Jim,
I agree that is most likely good advice. The long term disability insurance plan I purchased has a legal department retained to navigate the SSDI waters but an actual attorney may be better. I heard rumors that they take a big chunk of your benefit though so I worry about that.
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island time
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Posted 1/12/2021 2:02 PM (GMT -7)

Todd1963 said...
I honestly think we will do all right. Still, inflation could make that a lot more difficult in the long run.

When I retire...my income goes to zero. No retirement. No Social security. I will be living 100% on savings. (Coincidentally enough, that’s 2 1/2 years out).

Even people who have solid retirement plans, SS, etc, give retirement at least a passing thought. So it’s no surprise that those of us with no income would give it thought. It sounds like you have done that Todd. You’ve said it yourself. You honestly believe you’ll be alright. I have the same belief Todd. I’ve done ALOT of thinking on my financial situation going forward. And, by my calculations...I honestly believe I will be ok. Although the inflation factor is the real wild card. Inflation is going to be a bear. (My opinion. That’s why I stay out of the political threads here). Matter of fact, it’s already occurring, you know that, which adds to anxiety. What happens when everyone agrees it’s happing? That’s the kind of inflation that concerns me. And the only answer I have for that is...it will do to me what it will do to the vast majority of Americans in this country...it will cut into my financial quality of life. In other words...my standard of living will go down. Absolutely.

Maybe I’m the guy that people point to and say...”what ever you do, don’t do what THAT guy’s doing.” I can PROMISE you...financial planners would say that. My attitude is....

...there’s a limit to how much I’m willing to give up for the unknown.

So, you know what my advice to you is...”go for it”. 😊

And, in 20 years...if we’re both under a bridge...you can always blame me. (For what good that will do ya 😊)
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Posted 1/12/2021 2:32 PM (GMT -7)
you sure got the clickbait titles down pat, todd smile.

hey you've got the worst case of prostate cancer i've ever seen, have nevertheless remained undetectable for many years, and are worried about retiring too soon though you clearly have the resources. see how crazy that is?

i'll be 66 in two months and can't retire because i took my retirement on the front end, and of course i have fear too.

like an ****** recently said: "it is what it is".

if i had to bet i would say we will both be okay smile!
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Duck2
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Posted 1/12/2021 9:33 PM (GMT -7)
Given your signature I would go if I could.
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GreenBeans
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Posted 1/12/2021 10:12 PM (GMT -7)
As for SSD attorneys "taking a big chunk" -- they are limited by law in what they can charge you. I believe the max was around $5,800 when I used one back in 2002. Most places in the US have a huge backlog, so submit paperwork as detailed as possible as soon as possible. In Georgia, the average is 2 rejections then a review before their judge...which took about 2.5 years to work thru the entire process. I didn't retain the attorney till the judge stage, and he did nothing in the courtroom -- wish I hadn't retained him, he provided NO added value.

You can do a web search and find out what SSD attorneys can charge and what the SS response times are like in your area. (Did they cut back personnel due to covid-19? Waits may be longer!!)

I have a friend with metastasized breast cancer, so now in her bones like yours is. The social worker associated with the hospital where she is being treated helped with getting her the right forms from the Dr to certify to SS the extent of her illness. She was approved within WEEKS (like 2-3), which is probably what will happen for you. If this is more similar to your case (I think it is), you won't have to appeal, you'll be fast-tracked, and nobody will be watching what you can or cannot do.

(I also had a private disability insurance when I got sick and disabled, they DID hang around by my house to see what I was doing... followed to see where I went, crazy crap! But hanging out in a duck blind requires a lot less effort than climbing ladders!)

Sorry this is so disjointed, a couple hours past my bedtime, but hope I've helped a little.

Fear is to be expected, but I think you'll be okay! I waited longer than I should have to claim disability, and I would strongly urge you to give yourself a break and do it!! No one will think any less of you. Best wishes.
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Posted 1/13/2021 8:26 AM (GMT -7)
Island time-just curious how is it you dont get social security

Tod-dont know much about cost of lawyers but sure you have to be careful no doubt there are ripoffs
But you also have to be careful about applying for ssi. So get expert help. Getting recomendation from those who have gone thru it is a good start
Dont be afraid just work thru the details the ones who get into trouble are those who blindly act. That is not you
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theswan
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Posted 1/13/2021 8:30 AM (GMT -7)
I had multiple medical issues and got SSD on the first shot.
My wife was denied even though she was I think 59 years old and close to the 62 early retirement age. So we got a lawyer and in 10 minutes she was given her award if that's the right word.
Try again and don't worry about the lawyer's fee it was set by the board and came out of back money
My wife had 10 years of private disability insurance and did very well thank goodness. We invested in the market and did pretty well

Keep trying and keep coming here for advice encouragement and hope

Glen Heinsohn
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straydog
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Posted 1/13/2021 11:01 AM (GMT -7)
Todd, the SSA guidelines state that a lawyer can be awarded up to 25% of a person's back pay owed, not to exceed $6,000. Key words "back pay owed". This means the person's claim was denied at onset & they went through the appeals process. Keep in mind too that this applies to an attorney that takes the cases on a Contingency Fee Basis only & it involves an hourly fee. If he/she does not win your case you owe them no money. There are plenty of good SSD lawyers out there that handle these cases with this agreement. They rarely get involved until the person has been denied because the denial is how they start earning their fees. They can review a person's medical records & know if they have a good chance of winning or not.

Once a lawyer is involved SSA tracks what the lawyer has done on the claim such as completion of forms, letters sent to them, this includes your initial interview with the lawyer. That hourly fee is broken into 15 minute increments for work done on the claim by the lawyer. If the lawyer wins the case SSA withholds attorney fees out of the past due benefits owed to the claimant & pays the lawyer directly once the lawyer has provided a Fee Petition to document time spent on the claim.

I never suggest to anyone ever pay a lawyer money up front to handle a SSD claim. If a person pays a lawyer up front, the SSA guidelines are no longer applicable. I personally know some people that did this & regretted it because they were awarded benefits immediately. A friend of mine paid one $4,000 to fill out a form on her initial application, plus she provided a copy of her medical records. I tried talking her out of doing this but she just got scared as many do.

I'm sure you know you cannot be working when you file your claim. You need to visit with your dr immediately to let him know your last day worked so he can establish your date disability began. Go to SSA.gov to the Disability section & read, it's a very informative site. There is a section of forms & one of those forms is for a dr to complete & sign that verifies the individual's diagnosis & disability. Print one off & have your dr complete it, a copy should be included with your application.

Make a folder for your SSD & keep a copy of everything in this folder. You can do this even when applying online. If you get a call from someone at SSA, document who you talked to, date, time & what was discussed. Sounds daunting, but it isn't, you know about record keeping.

I went through this process in 2004 at the age of 52 because of severe crohns disease at my gi dr. recommendation. It took me 3 months to get my head on straight enough to make the phone call to the SSA to get the process going.

I did my own claim & was notified on the 5th month my claim was approved. The forms are straight forward, no trick questions. When you fill out the forms I suggest that you write your answers down on a piece of paper & review them before putting them on the form, details are vital. Between you & your wife you can do this.

Good luck & take care.
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/13/2021 5:22 PM (GMT -7)
Wow guys. Tons of good advice. I did reach out to an attorney today just for a little guidance as the initial conference is free. I will be meeting with a financial planner next week and prat and I had a good chat as well. At the moment I am cautiously optimistic. The greatest unknown will be trying to invest my money so that it works for me with minimal risk. I think that will be the actual difference between getting bye end Doing pretty good. I value each and everyone of your comments and hopefully when I retire I will have more time to spend on the forum
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Tudpock18
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Posted 1/13/2021 5:36 PM (GMT -7)

Todd1963 said...
The greatest unknown will be trying to invest my money so that it works for me with minimal risk. I think that will be the actual difference between getting bye end Doing pretty good.

When you figure that out please post it here for the rest of us!!! It's the good return with minimal risk part that is really hard to find these days!

JIm
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Michael_T
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Posted 1/13/2021 5:44 PM (GMT -7)

Tudpock18 said...
When you figure that out please post it here for the rest of us!!! It's the good return with minimal risk part that is really hard to find these days!

Which is why pretty much every financial fraud is based on the pitch that you can get a high, yet risk-free return.

Good luck Todd--it sounds like you have the right people in your corner to help you with this!
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/14/2021 5:51 AM (GMT -7)
I do have the right people. I have all y’all
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Pratoman
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Posted 1/14/2021 7:31 AM (GMT -7)

Michael_T said...

Tudpock18 said...
When you figure that out please post it here for the rest of us!!! It's the good return with minimal risk part that is really hard to find these days!

Which is why pretty much every financial fraud is based on the pitch that you can get a high, yet risk-free return.

Good luck Todd--it sounds like you have the right people in your corner to help you with this!

All of the above
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alephnull
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Posted 1/14/2021 8:44 AM (GMT -7)
I have a question for anyone. Being under 65, and you decide to retire. What do you do for health insurance?
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/14/2021 9:10 AM (GMT -7)
Well, if you are awarded disability
You can apply for Medicare or Medicaid after 2 years from the date you went out on disability. In my case, my employer will keep my health insurance active for the first year as long as I pay my portion of the premiums. The Second year I will have to pay cobra or go on Mandy’s plan. I suppose if you do not have options you check out Obamacare.
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halbert
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Posted 1/14/2021 9:14 AM (GMT -7)
Todd: best piece of investment advice I ever got (from my Dad): Bulls can make money. Bears can make money. Hogs get slaughtered.

Seriously. best of luck to you. It will work out. I'm 3 years out from retirement, and I'm already looking at the numbers. I think it will work if the market behaves itself.
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/14/2021 9:21 AM (GMT -7)
Halbert I like that. Don’t be a pig. Perfect as I intend on being frugal.
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Tudpock18
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Posted 1/14/2021 10:17 AM (GMT -7)
Todd, my apologies. I deleted one of your posts since I deleted the offending one that caused you to respond.

Jim
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/14/2021 10:33 AM (GMT -7)
It’s okay. I dont care.
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JNF
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Posted 1/14/2021 11:39 AM (GMT -7)
Regarding your health insurance it is good that your employer plan continues for a year. Then Mandy’s plan will most likely be better for you than either COBRA or an individual plan. Then, after you have been on SSDI for 2 years you go on Medicare. You will not use Medicaid. It looks like Health insurance will be the least of your worries.

Your comment on the disability insurance company helping with the SSDI is something I have seen with several people firsthand. Having worked with several dozen clients and friends trying to get SSDI, a few went on their company disability plan and the the insurance company got them on SSDI in a matter of a month or so. Every dollar of SSDI you get reduces the disability insurance payment. A huge saving for them.

I have only seen one person get SSDI quickly through the Compassionate Allowance application and he was in absolutely terrible shape and not working when he was diagnosed with extensive metastatic cancer. His initial treatment nearly killed him and was probably the reason he got the SSDI so quickly.

On the other hand I watched as a middle age lady suffer through terrible renal and liver problems landing her in the VA hospital just about monthly go through 4 denials and as many appeals over a six year period to finally get the benefit and then passed away in a matter of just a few months.
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Todd1963
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Posted 1/14/2021 12:24 PM (GMT -7)
Gee Jack, aren’t you just a ray of sunshine. I spent an hour on the phone with a SSDI attorney. He said that he would be happy to look over the paperwork before it is submitted but if my doctor is on board and writes it up correctly he doubted I would be needing him at all. He said that after age 57 it becomes much easier to obtain Disability. He said to expect to be denied on the first go round but that if the paperwork is submitted properly that I may just hit a home run. I realize that SSDI is federal but something tells me that in the bleeding heart liberal state of Washington that things become much easier 😂 😂. The way that Georgia voted this past election tells me things are turning a corner down there in the south as well. Some of these judges act like your taking money out of their pocket. I been paying into social security since I was 12 years old. The way I see it if I had put 7-1/2% into a 401K since I was 12 I wouldn’t be having this conversation. It’s not my fault the government mismanaged my money.
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Terry's Cellar
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Posted 1/14/2021 1:47 PM (GMT -7)
Next to the loss of a spouse retirement can be one of the most difficult times in our lives. I remember how much sleep I lost struggling with the pros and cons.

Just like with Urologists; investment advisors may place their own interests and bias ahead of yours. Picking a good one can be difficult. For a lot of people without complicated financial issues Target Date Funds can be a simple and sound choice. All of the major Investment Companies have them including Vanguard, TRowe Price and Fidelity. Target Date funds offer a simple solution to diversification and you can withdraw a fixed amount quarterly to help with your needs while letting the remainder work and grow to support future needs. Vanguard has the lowest fees and is a highly reputable Co. I personally deal with TRowe and have for more than 45 years. Just my thoughts and an engineering background.
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