Tim G said...
I'll just say i agree with Tud and mattam. I am also, as mattam said, weary. I am tired of thinking about, worrying about, talking about, and living with Covid. But its not going away, so we do the best we can. If i say anything further, it will just be inflammatory.Thats how angry i get on the subject
So i'll shut my mouth from here on. You're welcome
Wise advice, Pratoman. I recently tried to ask someone questions about
Covid vaccinations and he danced around but didn't answer my questions. Better for my mental health and others to leave well enough alone.
Tim, in case that is me you are referring to, I thought I gave you a thorough answer but maybe I was not specific enough. I certainly did not intend to dance around, so I will try again:
"@BillyBob You and I both spent our careers working in healthcare and both of us understanding the scientific method. You write that the vaccines were rushed. What to you would constitute scientific proof that the three current vaccines against Covid-19 are safe and effective?"
I am not here to anti-vax, my main view is, as I think people know, that most of these deaths did not have to happen, even with NO vax. Which is why I have repeated my bet: how many who are dying in ICU from Covid had high blood levels of the various substances I have mentioned in the past? I'm betting pretty close to zero. Any takers? Of course, the few times they have checked, not only does no one(or almost no one) have high levels, they not surprisingly have VERY LOW levels. Dangerously low. So, taking risk on new drugs when they refuse to look into or promote existing remedies seems not really needed.
As for safe, it will - just like with all drugs- be several years before we know if they are really safe. We will have to see what injecting these totally new types of mRNA "vaccines" actually does to us long term. I will have to find out for myself, since I am double vaxed. After all, these are not vaccines in the sense of what we are used to, are they? This is not taking a dead or weakened virus and injecting it and allowing our immune systems to react to the entire, hopefully harmless, virus. This is quite different and it will take a while to really know what we have done. In the meantime, some have died and others have reported myocarditis, etc. Which, if it saves many more lives than would have died without it would be worth it. But did we really do all we could have done to prevent severe illness and save lives, using available, cheap and relatively safe approaches? I certainly do not believe that we did. I know you believe different, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
As for effective, well, we are still suffering from huge problems, and more and more people who are vaxed are showing up quite sick, and are getting ready to inject more of these molecules which have never existed in the human body before. How safe and effective will that be? I guess we will find out.
"Also, please clarify for me your position on "various substances that could have saved many lives". Are you saying that these are superior to the vaccines for preventing Covid-19 infection and its health consequences?"
Yes I am, at least in my opinion, or at the very least equal. I simply refer you to the MATH+ protocol used by the extremely highly qualified physicians of the FLCCC. I have copied their credentials here before and it is not possible for anyone to call them quacks. They are treating patients in the ICUs and CCUs.
TudPock has said something like "you have your experts, I have mine". Well, my experts are just as qualified as anyones, and more so than a Dr. Fauci. Because unlike him, they are treating patients. And their mortality rates are vastly lower than the competition. And that is AFTER people who are deathly ill show up in their ICUs. Imagine what could be done if people did the right things BEFORE they needed ICU? And of course, there are the many, many other studies I have linked to over the last year and a half, some of which were treatments with some of these older approaches. With much improved results along with a long term proven safety profile.
So, yes, Tim, I believe we could have done a job equal to or superior to vaccines or antibodies or Remdesivir, and with greater safety, if a larger number of our docs had just been willing to try. Now, Tim, I realize might be wrong, I admit. But no one ever really put it to the test, did they? (except for the very few docs I have mentioned, who have had such good results) And while Dr. fauci himself admitted to taking 6000 IU/day of D as well as C, because of it's proven efficacy in other infectious disease, he never went on air and said to the public "maybe you guys should also consider this", now did he? Nope, all I ever heard him say was that there was nothing to help until a new vaccine or drug appeared. I don't think he has changed on that, still saying there is no help except the vaccine and maybe monoclonal antibodies. But according to at least a few ICU docs, he is very wrong about
"Are you saying that both the "various substances" and the vaccines are the best defense against Covid19?". I am NOT advising anyone against the vaccine. I suspect that at the very least it is lowering death rates, even if it does not do much to keep us from getting the virus and spreading it. Plus, that is what many people and docs are willing to do, so at least that is something. But, YES, I most assuredly think anyone taking the vaccine will still be MUCH better off taking advantage of some of the other available approaches.
Now, I know that was lengthy, and I know that- even though I did not repeat quotes from (the MANY) earlier studies I have linked to- some of you still think I am "strangling" rather than "caressing". But it seems my earlier response might have been thought of as "dancing around", so clarification was needed. Tim, I hope that clarifies my position for you, and I truly hope I am not making you or anyone else angry by confessing my opinions(though I can't imagine why people get so angry over these FACTS and STUDIES). Regardless, follow the science and remember:
1: in the Tulane ICU, the sicker their patients were from Covid, the lower their vitamin D, and ONE HUNDRED % of Covid/ICU patients under age 75 were deficient in vitamin D, with most severely deficient
2: In a hospital in Barcelona, 17 of 18 Covid/ICU patients were UNDETECTABLE for vitamin C, and one was merely severely low(but at least detectable)
3: In another hospital in Spain(and Belgium), they administered a fast acting form of vitamin D(calcifediol) to one group of Covid/hosptalized patients, the other group got the same treatment except for the vitamin D. "Among 26 patients not treated with calcifediol, thirteen required ICU admission (50 %), while out of fifty patients treated with calcifediol only one(2%) required admission to the ICU..............Of the patients treated with calcifediol, none died, and all were discharged, without complications.................. The 13 patients not treated with calcifediol, who were not admitted to the ICU, were discharged. Of the 13 patients admitted to the ICU, ( NO D group) two died.........". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc7456194/
4: The MATH+ protocol has been used is some ICUs for the duration of this pandemic, well before we got the vaccines, with outstanding results. But few hospitals do the same, apparently. https://journals.sagepub.com/na101/home/literatum/publisher/sage/journals/content/jica/2021/jica_36_2/0885066620973585/20210112/images/large/10.1177_0885066620973585-table2.jpeghttps://covid19criticalcare.com/about/the-flccc-physicians/
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