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dawgfan
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   Posted 8/29/2006 12:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Newly diagnosed last week, 48 years old, PSA 3.3, Gleason 6, 2 of 10 cores crapped out. I exercise 6 of 7 days. Curious if any other runners out there - how long did you have to wait to start back? At this point I'm leaning toward DaVinci.

Swimom
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   Posted 8/29/2006 2:00 PM (GMT -7)   
dawgfan,
Paul was on the tread in 2 days at an average walking pace and able to do a run in 3 weeks...slower pace. By 6 weeks he could do a normal mile run without any problems. His surgeon only ordered him ..."don't do anything stupid and you'll be alright" when he asked about excersise. If it hurts, swells, drips too much, bleeds or strains...you're trying to do too much!
I suggest you not train for some marathon but you should be able to run in a fairly short time. You and Paul are the same age. Good Luck, Swim

spinbiscuit
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   Posted 8/29/2006 2:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi dawgfan,

Sounds like you're in pretty good condition; 4-6% body fat? Like swimom said, and the surgeon will advise; don't do anything stupid. I know; believe me I know what the penalty is for doing something (in this case lifting something) before properly healed. I had the DaVinci procedure, and the results were excellent.

60 years old, surgery 02/23/06, PSA 3.8, Gleason 6 (3+3), 2 of 14 positive 10% ea., neg. boundaries, DRE neg.

Good luck to you, and keep us posted.

SJC
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   Posted 8/30/2006 4:07 AM (GMT -7)   
My surgeon's instructions:  no heavy exercise for six weeks post surgery (this includes running).  It takes this long for scar tissue to form.  I am four weeks today post surgery and have two weeks to go.  However, slow paced walks are appropriate.  You'll only want to do slow paced anyway for a while.  I'm walking a couple of slow miles without any problem.  Plan to pick up the pace in two weeks. 

dawgfan
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   Posted 8/30/2006 5:31 AM (GMT -7)   
I wish my body fat was under 10%. Unfortunately, it's got to be over 20% and it's all around the middle. I am hoping to increase my distance and frequency in the time prior to the surgery to be in as good a shape as possible. I am very interested in working on that stomach area that is so stubborn. Was doing weight training 3 days/wk and running 3 days/wk. Since I won't be able to do weights for a long time, I dropped the gym yesterday in favor of running 6 days.

Swimom
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   Posted 8/30/2006 11:10 AM (GMT -7)   
Why are you not keeping up the wieghts...and a ball for the abs...silly boy! Get right back there and do some weights get a ball to focus on abs and make those muscles long and lean. Cardio isn't the whole answer....whole body excersise is. Make those muscles long and lean again. Perhaps try pilati's twice a week instead of weights but don't leave out muscle training.
Having no joints because you decided to run 7 days a week isn't gonna help you much...makes being on top painful...OOOO, did I say that?
Good Luck Dawg. Swim

Tim G
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   Posted 8/30/2006 9:04 PM (GMT -7)   

I did weights and aerobics and stretching regularly right up until the night before my surgery.  It helped tremendously in my recovery. I'm at 14% body fat. My urologist advised no strenuous execise until a full six weeks after surgery, including lifting anything heavier than a gallon of milk.

The abdominal incision through the skin, fat and muscle layers should not be stressed too soon post-surgically.  Recovery is rapid and healing takes place in two stages: (1) A thickened inflexible scar forms (2) The scar tissue becomes flexible and adapts to movement.  Healing must be allowed to occur to prevent a weakness in the scar line and potential rupture or herniation of the abdomen thru the weakened muscles.

I followed these instructions to the letter, but did lots and lots of walking, which was advised.  I'm back doing aerobics and weights again, although starting out light and gradually increasing the weight.  I won't begin high intensity interval training until later in my recovery. I don't want to risk any problems by doing too much too soon. I lost about 10 lbs shortly after surgery but have regained about 6 lbs, which is fine. I'm not over- or under-weight.

Best to you on your surgery and recovery.  Looking back, nothing was as bad as I imagined it would be.

 

 

 Tim


Age 57  PSA 2.5  Gleason 5   Open Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy/Bilateral Nerve-sparing  6/21/06  Cancer confined to prostate  No further treatment


GreenAcres
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   Posted 8/31/2006 1:47 PM (GMT -7)   

And our doc said to wait eight weeks before doing much - including getting on a riding mower. So, probably depends on the doc and healing ability surely is a factor. (?) Husb. is walking every day, but at a slower pace than normal and we're at week 3.5 post-daVinci surgery. But, he's still having some peripheral testicle pain and hoping it isn't hernia-related. I believe Spinbiscuit is the only one so far who reported the testicle pain. That can really slow things down.

TimG - nice description of how the healing goes. Glad to know it. Thanks. (Husb. lost 11 pounds and now is way too thin - trying hard to get it back.)

Dawgfan - regardless of which option you choose, think about kegeling - it won't hurt!

spinbiscuit
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   Posted 8/31/2006 3:16 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi GreenAcres,

Has Husb.'s testicle pain improved at all these last three weeks? When I was experiencing the same type of pain it was all through my lower groin and in the testicle area. It did improve some, but later the bulge and increased pain revealed the hernia. Hopefully that is not going to be the case for your Husb.

I hope your Husb. will see improvement very soon. I believe I made 2-3 calls to the doctor during that time just for peace of mind.

Glen


hamala
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   Posted 8/31/2006 4:03 PM (GMT -7)   

My surgeon also said nothing but walking until 6 weeks.  I have been walking lots and a fairly quick pace.  I feel like I could run (and did just a little) but found out my bladder wasn't quite ready for that!  nono He did say no running until then too.

3 weeks post so I will wait another 3 weeks.  I lost 8 pounds and plan to keep it off.  Another 5 pounds and I would be exactly where I should be.  I have to fly next week at (4 weeks post) for business, so I will have to pack light and be overly cautious.  This was my first week back to work full time and I do get amazingly tired by the end of the day.  I am trying not to over do it as I know will delay my recovery.  So, don't push it if you can help it.

Michael


Age:41, Gleason:6, DeVinci surgery on 8/8/2006


spinbiscuit
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   Posted 9/1/2006 12:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Michael,

Really good news that you are able to go back on a regular schedule. I will caution you however do not attempt to lift any heavy objects (5-10 pounds max) even a light travel bag may be too much. I don't want to hear of anyone else going through a double hernia procedure. It was painful, and I was sore for a couple of weeks after surgery. Now I have to be extra careful because re-injury is not an option.

The fatigue is normal for a while, and you are right don't overdo it; your body needs time to heal.

Good luck on your business trip,

Glen

GreenAcres
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   Posted 9/1/2006 6:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, guys. Glen, you described the "extra" pain to a T. And yesterday was the first day post-surgery that it was gone! Fatigue is still strong, though. After a morning walk and then groceries and lunch (no lifting/just exercise, although he kept trying to do things), that about did him in.
 
Michael - glad to see you're progressing so well! Do be careful - sounds like you're being reasonable. However, when you get into busy airport situations, it's tempting to rush things.

spinbiscuit
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   Posted 9/1/2006 7:04 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi GreenAcres,

Glad to hear the Pain has gone. The fatigue was another issue, and I would have to guess 2 months before I got over being tired in the afternoon. So keep up the good work.

Glen

Swimom
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   Posted 9/1/2006 9:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Glen,
You shoulda done your V-8! Seriously, some amount of fatigue is common following any surgical procedure. Our body tells us what it wants. All we have to do is listen. Children are perfect examples for us. When they get tired...they sleep...where ever they are and when they can't, they cry!
Children are self-regulated. We should learn from them.

Dawg,
Because you already do weight training and fittness training you will feel more like wanting to do things. Everything is moderation and listen to your body when it says...don't do that! The burn we feel while excersisiing is not giving you the same warning as fatigue and "the burn" does following surgery. One says hey, I feel good..while the other is trying to tell you you've done too much. Don't let your body tell you you've excersised too much. YOu goal at first shuld be to feel healthy, not tired. Weights are out for 6 weeks and then it's a slower transition. Beware, those hernias that can happen sooooo much more easily if the abs haven 't had time to completely heal.

Take a simple B-50 , a B-12 an A, E and C. That's it for a few weeks. Those will keep your energy at a decent level and promote healthy tissues. This is especially helpful for dark skinned people who already tend to build more scar tissue.

Don't go hog wild on vitimans. They do no good in large doses but they will waste hard earned money! L-Arginine 500-1000 and Pycnogenol between 30 and 50 depending which you can find, (note the spelling) twice a day is always a good for promoting healing as well. A lot of athletes will use L-Arginine as an extra energy booster. Actually it adds a little oomph to your own NO stores by helping the body use it more effectively. Taking more is not better!!!! Large doses of Arginine cause stomach upset so keep it moderate. For those with liver or kidney problems Arginine is used with caution.

I wish all surgeons would put their patients on Arginine. The label says not to take it with PDE5 drugs but that's not true at all unless you're young, have normal function and no nerve damage. I have never heard of Arginine causing super erections in anyone nor drops in BP. It' shalf life is pretty short. There are no side effects when taken properly.

The erection (male or female) depends in part on the release of NO, as does the normal health of all tissues. Those 2 things are screwed up for at least a while after prostate surgery. Arginine is a routine supplememnt for men with peyronies desease and low testosterone. Prostate guys have been left out of the loop it appears. We're going to see an NO doner in our next generation of PDE5 drugs. Remember that before paying 20 buck a pill for the new and improved Viagra someday! Swim

bluebird
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   Posted 9/3/2006 5:55 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi!  dawgfan,

 

Welcome to our family of people helping people…  :-)   

Buddy had a wellness program (walking, leg lifts, stairmaster, weigh machines swimming, and hand weights) established before being diagnosed and continued right up until surgery time…. Adding kegels to this routine!

 

After surgery he held off his regular routine for 8 weeks…  He walked am/noon/pm for a solid 8 weeks….. and I bought him 3 lb. hand weights to carry after 6 weeks of recover…. His upper body was screaming for some kind of workout J

 

He is back to his routine with a little modification.  No sit down exercises (bicycling, hard surfaces) at this time.  We are really going to take care of the little sphincter muscle that’s doing all the work in keeping his urinary control in control.

 

As GreenAcres commented and our Urologist stressed no strenuous exercise..  NO RIDING LAWNMOWERS, BICYCLING, etc. for at least 8-10 weeks.  NO LIFTING anything heavier than a cup of coffee…. Not even the milk jug…..Listening to the body as it talks to you!  The key here is “Listening”.. J

 

Our recovery has been EXCELLENT… and we attribute it all to:

Surgeons Skill

Body Fitness Routine before surgery

Body Fitness Routine after surgery *walking, walking, and more walking, kegels, and stairs…

Following directives from doctor  &

“Listening” closely to our body!

 

Take care and keep in touch,

Lee & Buddy


mama bluebird
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Buddy 53 RRP April 3, 2006 PSA 4.6 Gleason 3+3=6 T2a Confined to Prostate
June 29th PSA Less than 0.1 Non-detectable 

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