What is the orgasm like with no ejaculation?

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gw
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   Posted 1/31/2007 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   
My husband is young for this prognosis, 53.  Totally healthy otherwise-- healthy lifestyle.  Got the diagnosis November, 2006.  Gleasonscore of 6, PSA 3.5, biopsy: 3 malignant samples out of 12, scattered around the prostate-- no sign its left the prostate. 
 
Our life together has been happy, fun, overall satisfying.  Our sex life has been great during our 30 years together-- now we face the possibility of ED or at least the loss of ability to ejaculate...  we'll be ok, whatever it is, we'll be doing this whole thing together...
 
We've been studying books and websites, gone to some support groups, seen several doctors -- but so far, I guess because each man is unique after his treatment, know one, so far, has been willing to speak openly with us about what it "might" be like for us...  also, most of the men in the groups are much older than my husband, and are uncomfortable talking openly about sex.
 
For ease of sharing your thoughts, how about we just assume the best-case-scenario-- that my husband will do very well and be able to maintain a fairly good erection after complete recovery from surgery. 
 
If there is no ejaculation of semen during orgasm: 
 
1.  How does the he know mentally,  and feel sensually that his climax has reached its peak?
 
2.  How does he know and feel that he is "finished" with his orgasm?
 
3.  Is it a weird or bizarre experience for him, does it make him sad, this new kind of orgasm? 
 
4.  During the orgasm, does he feel the sudden relief from the sexual tension that (pre-prostatectomy) normally builds up during foreplay before orgasm?  This seems to be very key to his satisfaction...
 
Hopefully,
Akumal

daveed
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   Posted 1/31/2007 8:09 AM (GMT -7)   

Akumel

I think you will find most guys replying in the positive. For myself the feeling at ejaculation is more intense than prior to surgery. He will know when he is done. Also the advantage is no one worries about sleeping on the wet spot. LOL

Good luck


Diagnosed March 06
PSA 4.4
Two biopsies. One core of each 5% cancer, two suspicious
Gleason 3+3=6
DaVinci surgery Nov 1, 06
Cancer confined to prostate
Ist PSA 6 weeks post op less than 0.02
 


2busymom
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   Posted 1/31/2007 8:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Both you and your husband will know when he's done! I think the sexual tension thing is a bit different, but I know my husband is satisfied. By the way, you do not have to have an erection to have an orgasm. Unless your husband is one of the very few who are able to achieve an erection quickly in the healing process, that part can be quite a wait. But the orgasms do not have to wait for that to catch up!

bec
husband Jeff 45 years old, diagnosed 8/25/06
PSA 2.1, 2 of 12 samples at 3% & 4%, involving 1 side of prostate
Gleason 3+3=6 in both samples
laparoscopic radical prost. 10/17/06
cancer in both sides of prostate, positive in one area of margin
first PSA results 1/07 <0.01%


Letty
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   Posted 1/31/2007 8:52 AM (GMT -7)   

Welcome Akumel,

My husband says it feels the very same.  The only difference is there is no fluid released!  It was different for him at first and wierd because it does feel the same during orgasm, but you know its different because its dry (according to my husband).  Also, to answer you other question, yes, it does relieve the sexual tension the same as before.  These are great questions you asked.  Glad you found us.


Letty
 
Husband diagnosed at age 50.  RRP perfored in July 2006.  PSA:  5.7;  Gleason 7 (3+4);
staged T2C.  Cancer confined to prostate.  Husband's father diagnosed at age 63, (13 years ago), also had a RRP, still going strong!
 


naimnut
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   Posted 1/31/2007 9:25 AM (GMT -7)   

Daveed,

I happen to be the husband in question.  Thanks for your encouraging response, but it begs the question, do you  really mean "better than before"?  If so, is your experience unique?

Markus the naimnut


Age, 53
PSA 3.76, Gleason 6, T1c, scans negative
psa doubling time 35 months
Still researching and deciding treatment options.  Leaning towards da vinci robotic.


Pete trips again!
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   Posted 1/31/2007 10:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Akumel,
I will be 54 in a couple of weeks and had my radical prostatectomy when I was 50. My stats were very close to your husband's as you can see on the bottom of my post. I was very scared of exacty what you mentioned prior to my surgery, I think we all are! I had what you might call a "best case sennario" in that I was almost 100 percent dry after they removed my cath. and my Doc said to try having sex after 6 weeks if possable. Although my erection was about 70% after the 6 weeks, my wife and I managed to have intercourse to orgasm. I've got to say and I don't know if the other guys will agree or not but, It totally scared the **** out of me because it was soooooooo different! It was way longer than any orgasm I'd ever had! I didn't think it would end!
Great you say? well yes that part was great but I didn't have the "contractions or spasms" that men are so used to durring ejaculation. There was less of a peak as I knew it. From what I've heard about womens O's it was kind of like that. After the climax which was very good, it didn't just end like it used to. It kind of continues on a much more gradual slope if it were on a graph instead of a veticlal drop off the way it used to be. So yes I still like the orgasms, but they are much different for me. I hope this helped. I'd be glad to answer any questions he might have if I can. I hope I did't confuse you too much! Every one is different, this is just how I it is for me. Good luck!
Your friend,
Pete
53 years old, Surgury, Radical Prostatectomy 8/20/03, PSA 6.6, Gleason 3 + 3 = 6, Adenocarcinoma extent (moderate) Stage & Margin:T2NOMX, No Metastases, Organ Confined, bone scan: Neg.  


daveed
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   Posted 1/31/2007 11:09 AM (GMT -7)   

Markus

I agree with everything Pete says but for me a part of the sensation that takes so long to complete is I get a sensation that the body is trying to ejaculate something. But this only adds to the intensity

Daveed


Diagnosed March 06
PSA 4.4
Two biopsies. One core of each 5% cancer, two suspicious
Gleason 3+3=6
DaVinci surgery Nov 1, 06
Cancer confined to prostate
Ist PSA 6 weeks post op less than 0.02
 


StrictlyInc
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   Posted 1/31/2007 12:17 PM (GMT -7)   
As far as feeling young, there are many in your boat, so don't feel alone. I was 40 when I found out, 41 when I had surgery (and still 41)...

... so I am still in the phase of recovering my erection capabilities. My first orgasm without ejaculate was with a completely flaccid penis. It kind of hurt, and felt like a rubber band inside snapped. Had the same thing, a bit more subtle, the second time. Nothing like that now.

It is hard to say what the orgasm feels like, as I am using a pump with rings right now, and I think that blurs the sensation. But I can relate to what Pete says above, it seems more like waves than an explosion, and is more subtle and lasts a little longer. As far as feeling, I still feel like my penis is trying to ejaculate, just nothing comes out, so that part of the sensation is the same.

How do you know if you are done? When you or your partner are ready to stop, I guess. The body tells you, though. But same as before surgery, I imagine on occasion he felt able to continue after ejaculation/orgasm... That is possible post-surgery too (actually, with the pump, sometimes I am harder after orgasm).

Sadness: the recovery process, to be honest, has a lot of sadness in it, and certainly some may be part of learning how to have and give sexual pleasure post-treatment. But it gets better with time, and it sounds like with his current situation, he will have an excellent chance for long-term recovery of his erectile capabilities.

Relief? Sudden relief: as I said above, I think it's more subtle, maybe longer lasting. Having said that, it is often said that men focus too much on the ejaculation and not enough on the orgasm, which is separate, really.

Hope this helps!
____________________
 
Prostate cancer diagnosed:  May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score:  3+3=6
daVinci radical prostatectomy:  July 25, 2006
size of tumor:  approx 1.1 inches
post-surgery Gleason score:  3+4=7; negative margins from surgery
number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery:  3 to 5
number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery:  1 to 2
first post-surgery PSA:  0
ongoing post-surgery treatment:  Cialis every other day, Viagra "on-demand", ErecAid pump daily Cialis every other day, ErecAid pump twice daily (when I can manage it)
 


djhouston
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   Posted 1/31/2007 1:48 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Folks

Naimnut,  I believe we have similar prostate stats.  I can’t recommend robotic surgery enough, as I have said in other posts.  The precision that the doctor can use to get the cancer out and the magnified view of the area, as well as the precise stitching that the doctor can do to sew the urethra and bladder back together made it a no brainer for me above the other way of doing surgery.  I chose surgery because I am young enough not to want to mess around with radiation as the first line treatment—doc’s stats of 91% cure rate with surgery, given my T1c stage, versus 75% cure rate with any kind of radiation, or the cryosurgery.  

I, too, was concerned about the loss of that part (fluid) of the sexual function. I subsequently found that orgasms were better for me. I don't think that my experience is unique, but others contributing to the postings will expand this knowledge base.  Pardon the graphic explanation below, but this is where we share information.

Men's sexual response has a number of facets: erection, rising muscle and psychological tension, sensations, ejaculation, and the other muscular contraction components of orgasm. When you get erections back after the surgery, the only thing missing from the whole mix is emission of semen, because the gland that makes the fluid is gone. The prostate also contributes to the pumping of the fluid, but I believe a majority of the pumping is done by the reflex contractions of the pelvic floor muscles and the muscles at the base of the penis. The nerves and muscles to these areas should not be affected by the surgery.  The sensory nerves of the penis and deep in the pelvis which contribute to the increase of sexual tension should not be affected by prostate surgery (I can’t say what radiation will eventually do to the pelvic muscle and sensory nerves). 

As is often said, the brain is the main sexual organ of the body, and this is where all of the sensations are put together.  As long as sensations are intact, you can have orgasms with all the pelvic floor and penis muscle contractions, and the release of tension from the rest of the body, as before (minus the prostate’s contractions and the fluid), even without an erection.  I know, because I have had them without an erection.  The right nerve next to the prostate that controls erections was cut into during my surgery, and my doctor did a nerve graft to try to help get recovery to this function, but this is going to take some time to return. 

The orgasms I have experienced are more intense, actually.  Unlike Pete, I do have the contractions.  I can totally agree with Pete about the surprise I got when I found out that they go on for a much longer time (I have since thought to myself, wow, if I’d have known this before, I’d have had my prostate out a long time ago!).  Not just four or five contractions with emissions, but on and on! Once, as an experiment, with continued stimulation, the contractions went on for almost a minute, and, no lie, with multiple but smaller peaks. Don’t know why they go on longer when there is no prostate or fluid, but this seemed to be a nice compensation for loss of semen.  Without this continued stimulation, I would agree with Pete that the sensation of the contractions trails off. Otherwise, the whole body experience is the same. If you weren't watching the penis, you wouldn't know it was different, except for the duration of the peak. Don’t worry, you will know when you are finished, but leave more time for it!

I believe the contractions, and thus the sensations and pleasure, can even be more intense, if one has built up the pelvic floor muscles with the Kegel exercises that are used for bladder control.  I have been doing the exercises for years (as a health care provider, I taught the exercises to women for control of incontinence associated with movement or coughing, so I knew the benefit of them), way before the prostate cancer issue came up for me.  I think that, maybe, this exercised state contributed to the stronger reflex muscle contractions during orgasm.

So, this is just my experience, and as all have said, everyone is different. But, best case scenario (in my opinion, with regard to orgasm), this is how I found it.  I, too, would also be glad to answer any other questions you might have.  Good luck on your planning.

All the best,

dj


dj's stats:
PSA (10/04): 2.9; PSA (2/06):4.4, on Androgel (serum T about 450) at age 56; negative DRE, no symptoms.
PSA (5/06):5.7 with a free PSA% of 8, OFF Androgel (serum T 163). 
Biopsy (5/06): 4/12 samples positive; postitive samples only on right side; max Gleason 4+3=7 (in 2 of the 4 -from area nearest bladder.
DaVinci robotic-assisted laparoscopic radical prostatectomy + bladder lift + Right nerve plastic surgery (8/23/06).
Catheter out 4 weeks postop, due to internal pinhole leak at bladder-urethra junction.
Final pathology report:T2c-both sides,but in capsule; neg. margins, neg. lymph nodes, neg. seminal vesicles; final max Gleason still 4+3=7.
Follow-up PSA (11/06): <0.008; serum T: 195 OFF Androgel (at present).


bluebird
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   Posted 1/31/2007 6:09 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi! Akumal & Markus *Naimnut,

 

What a pleasant surprise to read your posting and then to see Marcus come onboard also!!!  This is a great forum and you can both gain so much from it.  Welcome...  :-)  

 

As you can see in the quick responses….. in just over 6 hours…. 6 wonderful postings!!!

This says it all!!!! And there will be more ;)

 

Welcome to your New Family!  Take hold of our hands and we can make your journey much smoother.

 

I’ve also posted on your husband’s thread and will place a direct link to it!.

(direct link ~ just click on the title!  Reminder to click on the REFRESH icon once there)

What a great site! Considering treatment options and grateful for what I can read here...

 

Partial Quotes from your 1st post above:

assume the best-case-scenario 

we'll be ok, whatever it is, we'll be doing this whole thing together...

 

You have just made your journey easier by having a positive attitude. 

And having positive attitudes allows us to strikethrough  assume 

 

#1 Cancer Free, #2 Continence, #3 Sexual Potency…..  These are our GOALS… and keeping a positive attitude all the way through is so important.

You journey has begun and we are happy to walk it with you!

 

In New Friendship ~  Lee & Buddy


mama bluebird - Lee & Buddy… from North Carolina

Link to our personal journey…>>>     Our Journey ~ Sharing is Caring 

April 3, 2006  53 on surgery day

RRP / Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy with "wide excision"

PSA 4.6   Gleason  3+3=6    T2a   Confined to Prostate

June 29th ~ PSA Less than 0.1 Non-detectable

Post Edited (bluebird) : 2/1/2007 11:02:27 AM (GMT-7)


bluebird
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   Posted 2/1/2007 11:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi ~ Ben… You are so right!!! It is extremely important to share “your/our” information.
That’s what makes this forum so powerful!!!!
We let others see that there is more then 1 answer (option). If #1 doesn’t work then they have #2 to go to and 3,4…

We are so grateful to be a part of this very important / informative forum.
Knowledge is Power and Power takes away the fear!!!!

In Friendship ~ Lee & Buddy

mama bluebird - Lee & Buddy… from North Carolina

Link to our personal journey…>>>     Our Journey ~ Sharing is Caring 

April 3, 2006  53 on surgery day

RRP / Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy with "wide excision"

PSA 4.6   Gleason  3+3=6    T2a   Confined to Prostate

June 29th ~ PSA Less than 0.1 Non-detectable


shepla
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   Posted 2/1/2007 12:50 PM (GMT -7)   
The Orgasm does seem to be intense and it drops off slowly. All and all I'm pretty happy with it. I know I don't have a choice but this is something I can definetly enjoy for the rest of my life. It's funny but I find myself going Yeaa! Yeaa! more than before, kinda like my a women would do. Believe me you will know when it happens and when it is over. Shepla I am 59 Sugery 10/12/06 3.3 psa under .05 undetectable at 2 months 1 or 2 pads a day but getting better and erections coming even without Viagra just fondeling quite a bit. But for a really good one 100 mgs.

naimnut
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   Posted 2/1/2007 8:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you all for your sharing and openness. It is very, very helpful.  I no longer feel like I am looking forward to a totally dark, depressing tunnel.  I think there is hope in there, eventually.
 
Markus
Age, 53
PSA 3.76, Gleason 6, T1c, scans negative
psa doubling time 35 months
Still researching and deciding treatment options.  Leaning towards da vinci robotic.


creed_three
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   Posted 2/2/2007 2:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello and thank you also for the information.

:-) As the wife of a younger man myself, this is a question I had searched long and hard,  to find information on. Thank you for the clear, specific information. We are still a little uncertain of other questions at the moment but thanks again,  and I look forward to asking more questions myself with an introduction somewhere soon.  


Creed_three
Husband diagnosed 8/12/06 on his 49th birthday. 1 (5%) core of 12 positive. Gleeson 4 + 3 = 7 according to biopsy. Routine PSA (Nov 06) 3.5. Awaiting RP (open) scheduled 17th April 07.

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daveed
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   Posted 2/2/2007 5:45 AM (GMT -7)   

L

I have felt absolutely no change in sensation in the testicles. Lets see what others say.

Good luck

Daveed

 


Diagnosed March 06
PSA 4.4
Two biopsies. One core of each 5% cancer, two suspicious
Gleason 3+3=6
DaVinci surgery Nov 1, 06
Cancer confined to prostate
Ist PSA 6 weeks post op less than 0.02
 


Tamu
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   Posted 2/2/2007 6:03 AM (GMT -7)   
L,

Same here as Daveed.

Tamu
Diagnosed 7/6/06
1 of 10 core samples, 40%
Stage T1c, Gleason 3+3
Da Vinci on 11/01/06
Catheter out on 11/13/06
56 Years Old
Post Op Path
Gleason 3+3
Approx. 5% of prostate involved
Prostate Confined, margins clear
Undetectable PSA on 12/18/06
No more pads as of 1/13/07


56pontiac
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   Posted 2/2/2007 7:34 AM (GMT -7)   
What's it like? FANTABOULOUS!!! Now the wife is so important here. In the beginning encourage your husband to have orgasms with or without an erection most likely it will be without and erection. He really wants to go again and get in the game, but is reluctant, embarrased, and scared about his situation. Like most guys he can't express these emotions very well. Do whatever it takes to get him going again I said. whatever it takes do it. With your help he can and will get up and running but he needs your love and help now more than ever. Thank God for loving caring wives. Like the NIKE slogan says "Just Do It"  57 years old DaVinci surgery 10/12/2006 Now having intercourse twice weekly because of a loving caring wife.

Post Edited (56pontiac) : 2/2/2007 7:36:55 AM (GMT-7)


Pete trips again!
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   Posted 2/2/2007 8:10 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree 100% w/ 56. No long term change in the testicle dept. if anything they are more sensitive. I don't want to scare you, but your husband is having open like I did, right after surgery it's a different story. My testicles were huge, black & blue & sore! Thats only temperary but fact and no one told me before my surgery and I wish someone had. I woke up to all potatos and no meat! It was some what of a shock at the time because I wasn't prepaired for it. Good luck and keep those questions coming!!
Your friend, Pete
53 years old, Surgury, Radical Prostatectomy 8/20/03, PSA 6.6, Gleason 3 + 3 = 6, Adenocarcinoma extent (moderate) Stage & Margin:T2NOMX, No Metastases, Organ Confined, bone scan: Neg.  


creed_three
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   Posted 2/2/2007 6:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Daveed and Tamu! That seems to have cleared up that question! This is excellent advice.

Pete, I do have another question. Hope you don't mind - it follows at the end. And has now been deleted as not helpful in retrospect.


Creed_three
Husband diagnosed 8/12/06 on his 49th birthday. 1 (5%) core of 12 positive. Gleeson 4 + 3 = 7 according to biopsy. Routine PSA (Nov 06) 3.5. Awaiting RP (open) scheduled 17th April 07.

Post Edited (creed_three) : 4/7/2007 3:22:22 PM (GMT-6)


StrictlyInc
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   Posted 2/2/2007 6:49 PM (GMT -7)   
My surgeon (robotic) told me going in that I could lose 15% in length. I don't think it's been that much, if any, for me. Hard to tell exactly, as I am in the "pump days". But if it is true that the pump does not add length, then I am where I was before surgery. The bend of the penis is different, though. I believe this (and possible shortening) comes from cutting and reattaching the urethra.
____________________
 
Prostate cancer diagnosed:  May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score:  3+3=6
daVinci radical prostatectomy:  July 25, 2006
size of tumor:  approx 1.1 inches
post-surgery Gleason score:  3+4=7; negative margins from surgery
number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery:  3 to 5
number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery:  1 to 2
first post-surgery PSA:  0
ongoing post-surgery treatment:  Cialis every other day, Viagra "on-demand", ErecAid pump daily Cialis every other day, ErecAid pump twice daily (when I can manage it)
 


56pontiac
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   Posted 2/3/2007 8:48 AM (GMT -7)   
On the physical recovery part. Yes, Yes , Yes, If you aren't doing any physical activity start now and start slow and build up to walking at least 30 minutes to an hour a day briskly. Walking is great any one that can walk can do it. Up and down stairs, up and down hills, all over the neighborhood. Anything you can do to increase your stamina and increase your over all circulation for your cardiovasular fitness will really pay off. As far as diet we just try to do the "Raye don't eat like pig diet" with the excercise it sems to work well. With your attitude creed_three I think your husband will do just fine after surgery in the sexual department.

Pete trips again!
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   Posted 2/3/2007 9:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Creed,
I'm not sure what you are talking about the pubic area is less after surgery?? I can feel that my prostate is gone inside but there is nothing externally showing that its missing. The only difference for me, three and a half years later is that my penis is smaller overall than it used to be. Now that might not be the case for you. As I've stated in numourus other posts, ( read low testosterone after RP) I never was told anything about penile rehabilitation! The fact that I did not do anything to help myself after surgery makes me the exception to the rule here. Almost all the guys here are using ED drugs and pumps and maybe shots. I just got depressed and didn't do anything. Had I looked into it further and took care of biz back then it might have been a different story for me. I think what ever your husbands outcome is I think that your 1st priority is not the length of his penis but his getting rid of the demond pc and getting him continent. It's great that you are researching every aspect of his recovery and I don't want to come off sounding cruel by saying that but ask anyone here and I think they will tell you the same. I think his chances are excellent for a full recovery and you will have a long and happy sex life after pc even if his penis is a half inch shorter! Just my opinion.
Your friend,
Pete
53 years old, Surgury, Radical Prostatectomy 8/20/03, PSA 6.6, Gleason 3 + 3 = 6, Adenocarcinoma extent (moderate) Stage & Margin:T2NOMX, No Metastases, Organ Confined, bone scan: Neg.  


creed_three
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   Posted 2/3/2007 7:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks again Pete. My husband does not use a computer at all (refuses actually at the moment and has for many years - its a "manual labourer"culture, sort of thing - no need to explain really, just a consideration). He has had no need before to use a computer for work or home, as I usually just print him out things he needs and this works well as I fiddle with computers for both our needs. This will change now I am sure, as I have told him about the wealth of info here on-line, so when he starts learning he will most probably start wth this forum, so my questions now are phrased from his questions during our conversations and paraphrased again in my words - probably a diluted process somewhat! Appreciate your advice under these conditions immensely however, and your openess in responsing to the questions. My husband is still to read these posts, but as the responses come in I am letting him know, and we are much relieved to have some specifics to further work on.

Now that we have had a few weeks to settle and adapt to the diagnosis, his priorities (reading/discussion with me only at the moment) focus on potency recovery specifically, and the actual specifics as detailed here are helpful. We do not actually expect it (full, fast recovery), but hope for it sincerely, as others do I guess pre-operatively. It would be better if he (CJ), could post instead of me, to exlain these questions or even assist, but in time perhaps he might be able to. He is joining a local (men only) telephone group for this reason next week, so hopefully this will be another source of info man to man, which is important.

I will review your story again Pete more closely, and I am sure we will learn lots from your experience. I am hoping for a full recovery for my man too, as all signs (and Dr consults/scans seem to indicate), but we are aware of all the possibilities, so we are realistic at the same time, as nothing is guaranteed. We can only have faith and hope. Thanks for your good wishes and for taking the time to address these questions. kind regards to you. Have a great day in your end of the world.


Creed_three
Husband diagnosed 8/12/06 on his 49th birthday. 1 (5%) core of 12 positive. Gleeson 4 + 3 = 7 according to biopsy. Routine PSA (Nov 06) 3.5. Awaiting RP (open) scheduled 17th April 07. No family Hx.
* Brother (55 yrs) tested recently for first time.  PSA 4.0 (Jan 07), no biopsy, wait for 6 month repeat PSA (different Drs). Together 10 years.
 
"I promise to love, honour, cherish and never take you for granted"
                                                         (from our wedding vow)

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Joes411
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   Posted 3/24/2007 8:26 PM (GMT -7)   
bumping to the top for B&B's world

Age: 51

PSA  Jun06  4.1  (PSA Jun05  1.2)

1st Biopsy Nov06 – Atypical cells but no cancer

2nd Biopsy Jan07 – 1 of 16 cores positive

Stage T1c   Gleason  3+3=6

 


EB02
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   Posted 3/25/2007 2:02 AM (GMT -7)   
A few observations here that are mostly covered in the other posts. I was 53 when I had DaVinci robotic surgery in 2005. Most men can remember having orgasms from ********** before they were old enough to ejaculate. That is what orgasm after surgery is like. The sensation is more focused in the glans of the penis and is quite pleasurable. The contractions of the prostate and ejaculation are absent, but there is still a sense of having contractions. In some ways the orgasm seems more intense than before. The scrotum tightens at the point of orgasm just as before and the nipples are always erect after orgasm. I find that more than before surgery, stroking of skin of other erogenous zones is more helpful to orgasm and helps build the intensity. And it is possible to have orgasms before erections come back. I think it is an important part of recovery to do so. Early use of a vacuum device like the Osbon Esteem helps restore length of the penis that seems to disappear after surgery. It also promotes blood flow that will help the recovery of erections. The Cowper's glands are not normally removed in prostate surgery so there is still pre-ejaculate fluid being produced. In my case, some of that fluid seems to be released during orgasm. I miss ejaculating and always will, but I'm glad I can still have orgasms.
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