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Axeman
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   Posted 6/5/2007 3:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Didn't Bluebird or someone say to stay away from Bike riding? I'm thinking of taking it up again. Any thoughts from the masses? Thanks folks!

Axe
Axe - 60
Diagnosed - October, 2004 - PSA 3.3 up from 2.4
Gleason 3+3 = 6
T2A
DaVinci Surgery - January, 2005
UVA Medical Center
All PSA's at 0.00 since


Cedar Chopper
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   Posted 6/5/2007 4:17 PM (GMT -7)   

Axeman,

Do you play bass?  Lead?  I myself play the "double bladed cedar ax....."  :{))
(for making fence and gate posts out of cedar.)

Bluebird's Journey talks about seated exercises putting the wrong kind of pressure on the "kegel sphincter" we try to build and develop.  A 10-speed bicycle seat puts direct pressure on this area.  I'd consider it's effect on incontinence - and then first ask my doctor.

In the 1980s and 90s, I rode my bicycle over 150 miles a week as a commuter.

Listening for the music!
CCedar



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2 Years of PSA between 4 and 5.5
Biopsy 23DEC06 
Only 5 percent cancer in one of 8 samples.
Gleeson 3+3=6
Radical Prostatectomy 16FEB07 at age 54.
1+" tumor - touching inside edge of gland.
Confined:)
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Post Edited (Cedar Chopper) : 6/5/2007 5:26:43 PM (GMT-6)


mvesr
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   Posted 6/5/2007 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Axeman.  My Dr. does not recommend bikes motorcycles or horses for a while.  Hope this helps
 
 
Mika

lifeguyd
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   Posted 6/5/2007 5:07 PM (GMT -7)   

Many Urologist tell their patients to stay away from bikes early in their healing.  The narrow hard bike seats particularly on a road bike can cause much discomfort and even damage to the delicate healing area.  I have heard from some post PCa surgery people who have tried riding as early as week four or five.  Most have stopped due to the discomfort and fear of damage. 

There is another answer.  That of course is RECUMBENT BIKES.  Many long wheel base "bents" have comfortable (easy chair) seats that can get you back to riding, if that is your love.

Check on line and search for recumbent bikes. Easy Racer, and Rans have some very nice bikes in the under $1000 range. There are also many others who offer Trikes and long and short frame recumbents.


 
Biopsy 10/16/06
T2A,  PSA 4.7
Gleason 4+4=8 right side
adrenocarcinoma of prostate
DaVinci Surgery 01/16/07
Post op report,confirms Gleason4+4=8
no extra extension/invasion identified
age 65
Back on the golf course...
90 day PSA  less than 0.01 (undetectable)
 
 


pasayten
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   Posted 6/5/2007 8:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Axeman,

I am in the same boat... I love to mtn bike and trail ride my horses... Unfortuneately, I have been told by doctor to stay away from these activities for 3-6 months depending on how the incontinace recovery is doing... :-( So, I will do something else this summer... More hiking I guess.

Ray
pasayten
Age 59 y/o - Last 3-4 years of annual general health checkups - PSA 5-6 but Free PSA Ratio 21-24%, suggesting "benign"
3/7/2007 - Went to urologist -Neg DRE, but scheduled screening biopsy
3/13/2007 - 12 point biopsy - Left 6 OK  Right 1 of 6 had small hit.
Gleason 3+3 Diagnosed as T1c
4/24/2007 - DaVinci performed at Virginia Mason hospital in Seattle
5/2/2007 - Catheter Out! Got copy of pathology report:
Gleason 6  T2c Nx Mx   approx 20% of prostate involved
Positive margin, but 2 places where a focal point of only 2 cells were touching edge, the right apex and right posterior. Perineural Invasion present. Seminal Vesicle and Lymphatic/Vascular not identified. Final Diognosis of T2c "suggests" organ confined.  Stats for no re-occurance are 95% for 7 years. No further treatment other than PSA watch.


Berb
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   Posted 6/6/2007 1:46 AM (GMT -7)   
My urologist told me that he got an urgent call from one of his patients some days after the operation. The patient's catheter had come out. When asked how that happened, the patient replied that it occurred while he was riding his mountain bike.

Berb
59 years old
Da Vinci surgery Jan 10, 2007, nerves spared
Pre surgery PSA 8, Gleeson 3+4=7, T1C, 3 out of 12 biopsies had cancer
Post surgery pathology says no cancer outside prostate
Complication 1 - urine favoured drain tube over catheter, extra time in hospital, catheter in for 2 weeks
Complication 2 - urinary tract infection - Citrobacter (hospital bug), 6 weeks anti biotics cleared up
Complication 3 - fungal growth on genitals (candida albicans) probably from antibiotics
PSA test 10 weeks after surgery - PSA undetectable


Axeman
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   Posted 6/6/2007 7:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Cedar Chopper, I play guitar both bass and rhythm. It's a great hobby now, was in lot's of groups in the past 40 years.

As far as the bike riding. I'm 2.5 years since the operation. I rode some last summer a little bit, but really want to ride 10 or so miles a day and get back into it. It probably is best to stay away from it 3 - 6 months after the operation. I would think i'm ok now to ride some.

Thanks for all the replies.

Axe
Axe - 60
Diagnosed - October, 2004 - PSA 3.3 up from 2.4
Gleason 3+3 = 6
T2A
DaVinci Surgery - January, 2005
UVA Medical Center
All PSA's at 0.00 since


56pontiac
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Total Posts : 230
   Posted 6/6/2007 2:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey axeman get on that bike and ride baby ride. I been riding mine a lot. Get a nice padded seat for the bigger butted, not one of those skinny little up you crack seats. I had the davinci 10/12/2006. Been riding my bike and playing my ax. Check us out. http://www.myspace.com/56pontiac  I'm the old guy in the pics without the prostate, upright bass player is my son.

bluebird
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   Posted 6/6/2007 4:21 PM (GMT -7)   

Partial quote from previous posting by bluebird…

It truly amazes us when we read postings that some members have gone back to riding bikes, etc….  Not us!!!  We are going to protect this little guy with everything in our powers.  If it means no bikes… no horseback riding… Not A Problem… we can sure live without those!!!   Again ~ this is strictly a Personal Choice  

 

I know there’s a bike seat with an opening ~ which is the only way to go if you’re going to ride!!!  Protect your sphincter muscle at all cost!!!! 

  

Partial quote from previous posting by sjr…

I did go bike riding 40 days later with absolutely no problem. Since my surgery,

 

 

 

Hey ~ Axeman,

 

There have been other discussions about this topic.  And there is a special seat with an opening in it to help relieve the pressure.  Swimom has some info on this seat… I’ve tried to find the posting…. but don’t seem to be having any luck…

Yep ~ bikes, horses, riding lawnmowers, snowmobiles, specific exercise equipment….and hard surfaces that put the extra pressure and/or shake the sphincter muscle area (insides too!)... is not recommended after surgery.

  tongue It definitely is a "personal choice" as to when you resume your “activities”.  yeah  

 

A personal choice for us…. Living a nice long time being continent…. We have only 1 sphincter muscle left and we definitely don’t want to injure this area so ~ we choose not to do many things.  And the neat thing about it ~ is we’ve incorporated new things into our daily life… because of this choice.  It is mind boggling to us when we read about members golfing so soon after surgery.   Isn’t it wonderful that we have choices and “we make the choice”.

 

Each person heals at different rates… Please let you’re body tell you when it’s right for you… to do the things you’re itching to get back to! 

 

Take care and Happy Every~Day…………  Lee & Buddy


mama bluebird - Lee & Buddy… from North Carolina

J  We invite you to visit our personal thread:  Click Here:  “Our Journey” ~ Sharing is Caring 

April 3, 2006  53 on surgery day

RRP / Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy with "wide excision"

PSA 4.6   Gleason  3+3=6    T2a   Confined to Prostate

2nd PSA 02-06-2007 Less than 0.1 Non-Detectable :)


PianoMan
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   Posted 6/7/2007 4:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree with axeman and have made the decision to avoid the bike till I'm 6 months out. I miss it though. The bike is dusty and the tires are looking flat.
One day at a time...

54 years old

PSA = First ever was 9.8 in late Oct. ‘06, two weeks later, 10.1

DRE: Negative

Biopsy results 11/22/06 (6 out of 8 cores positive), both lobes, Gleason 3+3 = 6

Da Vinci Robotic RP surgery, City of Hope, Jan 12, 2007

Post surgery pathology – Organ confined, Gleason still 6, margins clear.

First post-surgery PSA -- Undetectable, 2/20/07


bluebird
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   Posted 6/7/2007 5:49 PM (GMT -7)   

  tongue   Dear Bike Riders….. 

 

I just want you all to know that   I care about my guys on the forum!!!!!!! ”  yeah   

I truly understand the passion and the desires to get back to the norm.

 

So ~ I’ve linked a few sites that have the seats that relieve the pressure from the sphincter area…

I’m sure most of you have already checked this out ~ but I feel better doing this

                            then I know I’ve helped “your” sphincter…. Too!!!


cool  ~ Happy Biking ~

               “don’t forget your helmets!”  smurf  

                                                     Chirp~Chirp~Chirping

 

This is not an advertisement…. It is just “Helpful Hints” … 

 

Link:  http://lakeside-bikes.com/itemdetails.cfm?id=2305
Link:  Specialized BG Comfort Saddle

 

Copy & Past in address

http://lakeside-bikes.com/sitesearch.cfm?navigatorid=0&pageid=19&destinationid=0&contenttype=0&faqid=45

Page opens…

Type in site search:  open SEAT

 

 

Warm Hugs and Gentle Thoughts of you Riding in the Wind ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  

In Friendship ~ Lee & Buddy

Post Edited (bluebird) : 6/29/2007 8:19:32 AM (GMT-6)


bluebird
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   Posted 6/29/2007 7:17 AM (GMT -7)   
  tongue   Pop to the top via e-mail request!!!  yeah
 
 

lifeguyd
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   Posted 6/29/2007 7:49 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks for bringing this topic up again.

I posted above and stand by my advice.  RECUMBENT BIKES are the only answer for serious bike riders.  The seats that Bluebird hasrecommended are very nice if you are out for an occasional Sunday ride, but if you are going to do 20/30 miles or more at time they are still a serious pain in the ####.  Even the split, highly padded seats put too much pressure on a very sensitive area of the body.

Narrow bike seats might even be the culpert in serious prostitis, testicular cancer, and other problems.  They are bad news.  I know.  I was a serious recreational rider.  I rode centurys and triathalons and trained hundreds of miles a week.  I even blame it for my PCa.  My doctor agreed that it caused problems, but stopped short of calling it a cancer causative.

So...If you are going to ride long distances, Get a recumbent bike.

Have Fun

 


 
Biopsy 10/16/06
T2A,  PSA 4.7
Gleason 4+4=8 right side
adrenocarcinoma of prostate
DaVinci Surgery 01/16/07
Post op report,confirms Gleason4+4=8
no extra extension/invasion identified
age 65
Back on the golf course...
90 day PSA  less than 0.01 (undetectable)
 
 


bluebird
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   Posted 6/29/2007 8:18 AM (GMT -7)   

aviator
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   Posted 6/29/2007 8:33 AM (GMT -7)   
I had asked bluebird for this link (Thanks for bumping it, bluebird), and find it intersting that most of the bicycling discussion revolves around incontinence, but when I searched on Google (KW="prostatectomy bicycling") it brought up several references to an association between bicycling and ED.  Here's one of them, with the related paragraph from it as follows:
 
"Bicycle riding is widely recognized to be both beneficial for the environment and an excellent cardiovascular exercise. However, population studies have shown that riding a bicycle for more than 3 hours a week is an independent risk factor for ED and generally occurs in a younger and healthier population. Single-vessel arterial revascularization surgery may provide an opportunity for natural, spontaneous erections in men who experience ED as a result of bicycle riding. Munarriz and colleagues[5] of Boston University performed a retrospective analysis of the records of 79 men with ED associated with bicycle riding who received penile revascularization surgery from 1998 to 2002 with a single anastomosis between an inferior epigastric artery and a dorsal artery. They demonstrated significant improvement in erectile function and intercourse satisfaction and a corresponding improvement in overall well-being. This therapy should be considered in a carefully selected population with isolated arteriogenic ED.
 
 
 
"Bicycling. Studies have indicated that frequent bicycling may pose a risk for erectile dysfunction by reducing blood flow to the penis. The greatest risk is in cyclers who sit upright while cycling. In addition, a 2004 report in the Journal of Urology found that long distance cyclers may reduce their risk by riding a road bike instead of a mountain bike and by choosing saddles without a cutout."
 
Seems from that articles that there is an issue with blood supply, even without prostatectomy, and that there are other good reasons to avoid it in this situation.  (I'm not an avid biker, but it does come in handy sometimes, and it looks like the wisdom now is to avoid it, even if the incontinence is not an issue.)
 
 
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