Has anyone here modified their diet after diagnosis / treatment?

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AEG
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   Posted 8/1/2007 1:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Have you modified your diet after diagnosis / treatment and what changes have you made to your diet?  Do you think red meat should be completely eliminated from the diet?
 
Thank you.
 
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bluebird
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   Posted 8/1/2007 2:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi ~ A,
No.... we haven't changed our diet... and the only red meat Buddy eats is beef hot dogs...so we definitley won't be eliminating that!!!  I'm the one who eats all the other good stuff!!!! 
Take care!!  Lee & Buddy

StrictlyInc
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   Posted 8/1/2007 4:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, they say eating a lot of meat and/or fat increases the chance of prostate cancer (as well as other types). Not sure if it affects chances of recurrence, but I guess it makes sense that it would if there is any cancer left in the body at all.

I think one thing that we'll find out eventually is that the increase in the number of people BBQ grilling (and frequency of doing so) is increasing cancer rates. After some alarm about frying and grilling in recent years, I think now many feel that it is high temperatures (which could also occur with baking) that are the concern more than grilling or frying. Having said that, I think the environment of grilling (i.e., the grill itself) is highly carcinogenic. People don't keep their grills as clean as their stovetops or ovens. There's often remnants of previously cooked food and sauces on grills, or charred stuff. How often do we go to parties and someone is grilling on a surface that darkens/chars the food just from sitting on it rather than cooking. More than we are willing to admit, I'm afraid.
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Cedar Chopper
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   Posted 8/1/2007 5:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Friends,

As a manager of a Supermarket's Fresh Produce Department that does about $7 Million (U.S.) in FRESH Produce sales a year, I've been hesitant to bring up diet any more than I already do.... :)

I almost completely agree with Selmer's guidelines.
I do have a few ingredients and items that I have always avoided as much as possible:

  Sodium (or Potassium) Benzoate 
            (preservatives found in most soft drinks)
  Nitrites and Nitrates 
            (preservatives found in all ham, bacon, hot dogs)

  High Fructose Corn Syrup 
            (This one is scandalous - your tax dollar at work!)

  All Artificial Sweeteners and Artificial Fats.

  Fake Beer,  Fake Wine, De-Caff Coffees & Teas 
            (I call these items "Why Bother?")

Post surgery:
  I quit all caffeine (to fight incontinence) except dark chocolate chips .
  I quit alcohol as it gives me instant bedwetting in my otherwise continent world.

I've always watched the quality and calories of oils in foods and only cook with extra virgin olive oil or canola.
(Non-virgin olive oil is produced using petroleum solvents!)

Will I still eat sausage at the family reunion
- or bacon at my girlfriend's mother's home
- or a Hebrew National hotdog at Lee & Buddy's cookout? 
Will I drink instant tea and eat high fructose junkfood at the Church picnic? 

Of course!
 
(There is a story about how some words that come out of your mouth can be more poisonous to you than anything you might eat.....)

But as I just try to avoid these things - without being a pest, I find myself eating more Fresh Fish  & Fresh Produce & Low-Fat Yogurt.  
(Right now, the Alaskan Salmon and Australian Navel Oranges are most excellent.)

It seems studies alternately endorse and then warn against every vitamin & supplement.

about 5 times a week,  I take a Multi, some C, some E, some D  & Cold Milled Flax Seed  or Cold Pressed Flax Oil.
However, as all of our efforts except for Smiling, Fresh Produce and Exercise seem to go in and out of favor at a moments notice - 
 - I hesitate to offer my personal choices of vitamins and supplements as guidelines.

I would, however, try to sell you a box of oranges I imported from Creed!

Your Friend,

CCedar
ICTHUS!


2 Years of PSA between 4 and 5.5  + Biopsy 23DEC06 
Only 5 percent cancer in one of 8 samples.  +  Gleeson 3+3=6
Radical Prostatectomy 16FEB07 at age 54.
1+" tumor - touching inside edge of gland.  + Confined:)
Texas Hill Country FRESH Produce Department Manager
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Post Edited (Cedar Chopper) : 8/1/2007 6:15:11 PM (GMT-6)


lifeguyd
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   Posted 8/1/2007 5:22 PM (GMT -7)   
 
   Before my surgery I was a regular red meat eater.  However after my surgery red meat was not appealing to me.  I have no idea why.  It was like a switch was pulled and steaks and roasts did not taste as good to me.  I still do not finish what is on my plate.  Strange....
 
The first few weeks sweet carbohydrates tasted good to me.  Cinnamon rolls and apple turnovers became my favorite food.  That has lessened somewhat, but I still do not eat as much meat. 
 
I did not try to change my diet and it still is not exemplary but I eat less red meat.  I still like Salami and sausages but in lesser amounts than before.  We always ate lots of fresh fruits and vegetables and that has not changed. 
 
 
 
Biopsy 10/16/06
T2A,  PSA 4.7
Gleason 4+4=8 right side
adrenocarcinoma of prostate
DaVinci Surgery 01/16/07
Post op report,confirms Gleason4+4=8
no extra extension/invasion identified
age 65
Back on the golf course...
90 day PSA  less than 0.01 (undetectable)
 
 


Swimom
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   Posted 8/1/2007 10:05 PM (GMT -7)   
When I think of all the diet suggestions there have been over the decades I also think of trends in different illness that have risen and wonder just how much of this is atributed to fad diet trends. Red meat may be bad for our cardiac health but no red meat may be one reason the number of dementia cases keeps climbing. All those carb loaders of from the 70's and 80's are in part, todays diabetics. Our diets should consist of a healthy selection of whole grains / nuts, lean proteins, healthy oils, fresh fruits and vegies and of course, lots of good old H2o. I will never totally remove red meat from my family's diet. Keeping all things reasonable, in moderation and balanced seems most prudent.

Since 75% of our population is dehydrated, drinking more water would be in our best interest. A mere 2% drop in
body water is enough to cause a bit of fuzzy thinking. Feeling that mid day brain fog at work? Drink some water!

5 glasses of water a day can reduce cancer risks by as much as 70+ % for some types of cancer. 8-10 glasses of water a day reduces joint and body pain by as much as 80%. It isn't what we take in that seems to be our biggest health concern. It's what we don't consume. Our diet is often so deficient in fluids that we (and I'm generalizing this) can't tell the difference between hunger and thirst....thus we often tend to eat instead of drinking water.

The human body is capable of secreting up to 5 pints of sweat in an hour! So, on these dog days of summer, DRINK! :>)

Swim
 


myman
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   Posted 8/2/2007 5:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Selmer - you certainly put time into your research. Thanks for sharing.

Seems to me simplistic as this may sound, that the key to all is moderation.
I will not remove red meat totally from my families diet either but that being said in addition we eat from all the other food groups, too.
One can only do so much...so much research, so much worry, so much living with this disease - too much and it becomes overwhelming.
There needs to be a balance and I think that's where most of us try to be so we can live. Carry on, participate in, enjoy...balance brings health, too!

Susan
Husband Diagnosed 11/17/05 Age: 63 No Symptoms
PSA: 7.96, Positive DRE
Biopsy Right: 6 of 6 Cores Positive Biopsy Left: 1 of 6 Cores Positive
Gleason: 4+3 = 7 Stage: T2B N0 MX
3 mo. PSA Post Surgery: 11.8, 12.9, 13.9 Bone scan, CT scan, Endorectal MRI, Chest XR - neg.
9/06/06: 6 mo. PSA: 18.8 Distant lymph node involvement Start HT Lupron 3 mo. shots
12/06/06: PSA 0.8
03/07/07: PSA 0.3
06/06/07: PSA 0.1

Post Edited (myman) : 8/2/2007 10:05:53 AM (GMT-6)


montee
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   Posted 8/2/2007 7:22 AM (GMT -7)   

I never have been a big red meat eater, maybe twice a week, 3 at the most, a big vegetable eater.

since the surgery and reading Milken's diet and Dr. Walsh's book, I have had only about 12 0z of red meat since December.

It seems that in Asian countries that don't eat a lot of animal fat and consume more soy, their prostate cancer rates are much lower than here.  Even the Asian population here  has more cases of prostate cancer than their couterparts in their home countries.  Due to less animal fat or more soy or both?

My diet now is no red meat except a pinch sometime, some chicken, no dairy products (I use to eat 2 cartons of Bryers each week, realy miss that), no deserts with sugar,  Salmon, lots of vegetables, fruit, pom. juice, soy milk, soy shakes.  We have made one discovery, eating healthy is more expensive!!!

Does this do any good, I don't know, but I am willing to sacrifice this great tasting food to live longer if it helps.

However I have lost 30 lbs since December and haven't weighed this since I was in high school.

Everyone have a good day.

Ron


diagnosed sept 06
gleason 3+4=7, right lobe only
psa 4.7
RP Emory Atlanta December 2006
Path-negative margins, negative lymph nodes
negative seminal vesicles, multifocal perineural invasion, both lobes involved
40% gland involved
gleason 3+4=7
1st psa April 2007-<0.04
 6 Mos PSA <0.04


Swimom
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   Posted 8/2/2007 12:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Selmer,

Don't mind if I take a moment to have a hardy laugh...it's good for our health to laugh. Relax, stress is probably our body's worst enemy. My extened family lives forever and we have no cancer at all...all on a southern diet!
By the way, I never have been a big meat eater of any sort. Not even as a child. I "prefer" whole grains and vegies with a splash of lean meat topped off with a lot of green (iced) tea and no sugar. Unless the sugar comes in a cookie or pie :>) I'm hard pressed to turn down a good pumpkin pie or oatmeal cookie :>)

My husband on the other hand is 100% Greek and his family is riddled with different cancers! Until Paul left home, he never ate anything but a mediterranean diet. We still eat probably an 80% mediterranean menu. Discovered I prefer that to the southern dishes 20 years ago. Did I mention they made wine from their own pressed grapes too? Ya just never know do ya? Diet is only a part of what our medical history will be (or is). The rest is up to genetics!
 


AEG
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   Posted 8/2/2007 7:38 PM (GMT -7)   

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Cedar Chopper
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   Posted 8/3/2007 3:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Friends,

I personally feel one must be careful just avoiding dairy. 
Calcium and Vitamin D are important!

Of course you can find calcium sources in other foods - and get Vitamin D from sunshine.
However, my observation is that most people do not get enough calcium or Vitamin D without consuming some dairy (non-fat or 1% - by all means) on a regular basis.

Research indicates the body won't incorporate calcium very well without the presence of Vitamin D.
Depending on your latitude and skin color, timing sun exposure as a source of Vitamin D - without risking an increase in skin cancer - is problematic.

Other recent research suggests taking four times the RDA of Vitamin D prevents many kinds of cancer.

I always recommend non-(or low)-fat yogurt or buttermik as these also provide active cultures.  The new organic yogurts are excellent.

For the lactose intolerant, I would recommend finding calcium in food sources (e.g., sardines or mackeral) and get Vitamin D from a good supplement - like those made from cold water fish livers (from a reputable firm that tests for mercury content).  This path will also boost your omega-3 intake!

One other personal comment about red meat.  Venison and bison are excellent sources of low fat protein.  (I get my hunter friends to share their wild game with me.)
When I buy red meat to take home, I buy round steak and trim all the visible fat off of it. 
While tough - trimmed venison, bison, and round steak are about 99% lean. 
To prepare it: 
   I dust it with black pepper or flour, 
   brown it in Extra Virgin Olive Oil until the oil and water from the meat cooks off,
   and then I add water and simmer it for over an hour or more - until it is tender.

Yes, I eat hamburgers or pork chops with friends - but the fat in ground chuck is at least 15%!  Trimmed pork loin or trimmed chicken breasts are preferred!

CCedar
ICTHUS!

2 Years of PSA between 4 and 5.5  + Biopsy 23DEC06 
Only 5 percent cancer in one of 8 samples.  +  Gleeson 3+3=6
Radical Prostatectomy 16FEB07 at age 54.
1+" tumor - touching inside edge of gland.  + Confined:)
Texas Hill Country FRESH Produce Department Manager
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Swimom
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   Posted 8/3/2007 5:10 AM (GMT -7)   
Organic dairy just tastes better doesn't it? I like the fact that expiration dates are much longer too.
Thanks for the reminder that calcium with D is our friend!

Swim
 


opie
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   Posted 8/3/2007 6:53 AM (GMT -7)   
We've made several changes in our diet since my husband's diagnosis. While we've always exercised, maintained healthy weights, and tried to eat a balanced diet, we have made some deliberate changes. I do agree with Swim, the organic hormone free milk is wonderful. Living in the heart of farm country-Iowa-I can't give up my red meat. We usually only have it 1-2 times a week but I bought a half side of beef from farmers we have gotten to know. We try to buy locally grown veggies whenever possible and have started utilizing all that freezer space I've got. While I do spend a lot more time in the kitchen, I feel like it's worth it. We rarely have processed foods and high fructose corn syrup is avoided if at all possible. My biggest challenge is my teen-agers! I have found if I don't offer alternative meals, eventually they'll get hungry and come to the table. (They're probably sneaking off to McDonald's after they leave the table!).
Opie

Swimom
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   Posted 8/3/2007 10:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Opie,

Being from west Tennessee, we grew up on all the wonderful home canned goods. I still can quite a bit but not like I used to. The taste is amazing, the health benefits are wonderful and its so easy a caveman can do it....LOL!

Swim
 


Swimom
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   Posted 8/3/2007 1:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Selmer,

All of this stuff is appreciated and...most can be found on the Life Extension web site. You may wish to research LEF's archives. Happy reading :>)

Swim
 


biker90
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   Posted 8/3/2007 1:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Personally, I don't worry that much about what I eat. If I had to know all this stuff about food in order to avoid cancer, I would have died from ulcers a long time ago. Besides, all the brocolli in the world won't change my genes....

Jim
Age 73. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Pathological stage: T2C. Gleason 3+4. Cancer confined to prostate.
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 7/18/07 0.00. 
T level on 4/2/07 - 48     On 7/16/07 - 613
Next PSA and T tests on 10/17/07
 
"I have cancer but cancer does not have me."
 


Cedar Chopper
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   Posted 8/3/2007 1:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Selmer,
As a person that makes my living off of selling Fresh Produce, I easily find merit in your points.....  I personally eat meat only 2 or 3 times a week - mostly because I like to save money -and can enjoy raw almonds, pasta, rice, & beans -and chocolate.... as alterantives. 

Still, I don't think you will sell a large portion of the U.S. population on less than 2 ounces of meat per serving.  (I admit this is probably close to the weight of the salted and fatty burger in most fast food dollar menus... eyes )  
While definitely habitual, this diet is probably more culturally ingrained than just getting a "buzz."  

I do feel that your point is true, that most of us could be healthier if we cut back our meat consumption. 

As for lean vs. fat, I feel that some lard & bad cholesteral (e.g., 15%+ in ground chuck or in most pork cuts) versus virtually none, even if you are just taking one 2 ounce serving, is important.
I save those indulgences for: the scoop of homemade ice cream, or the buttered homemade bread, or the special cream soup  - that I hope one of my friends is making soon!  (The calorie difference alone makes trimming fat off of lean cuts worthwhile to me.)

Your point about excessive calcium (over 2000mg) and cancer was a new caution to me.  I wonder if it holds true with excessive calcium intake from vegetables -or even dairy?  
Often these findings are from trials only examining supplements.

I don't trust any calcium additives.  Many (e.g., calcium supplements made from oyster shells) are not used by the body in appreciable amounts, even in the presence of Vitamin D. 

Two servings of most dairy will typically supply less than the RDA 1000 mg of calcium.  Dairy calcium is not a panacea!  
Dairy is, however, a convenient souce of Vitamin D. 
My reading of current research on the RDA of Vitamin D is that it is much too low.  

Your point is well taken about unconsciuosly consuming large quantities of any additive found in foods.  Thanks.

As for the cross-species comparisons, I'll just have to "chew my cud" on that for awhile.  ;-)

Your Friend,

CCedar
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Cedar Chopper
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   Posted 8/3/2007 5:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Selmer said...
...Other wise unless the person was fairly young I didn't think they were doing biopsies under 4.0 on otherwise clear patients.
Of course I have read where some think the cut off for those under 50 or even 60 should be lowered to 2.5 or 3.5.
I think part of the reason why I find the entire subject so interesting, beyond my personal risk, is because the entire field is filled with so much uncertainty and alternative opinions.
Very interesting. ...
Selmer,
I think it was Swim who pointed out once that it is not so much the PSA number as its velocity.
I'm in the group that believes all men over 40 should get annual PSA and DRE's for baselines.
The cost is not that great for these tests  - and would encourage annual physicals.
Just the few heart-rendering stories we have heard here about men under 50 with capsular penetration convinces me. 
I'm sure cost to insurance companies and fear of overtreatment - (Yes, how do these surgeons get to that magic number?) and fear of overtreatment - will make funding these tests a challenge.

Further challenging the "statistical significance" (These insurance companies hire actuaries!) of testing at 40: 
Even after the biopsy, a young man is still left with the inertia of statistics
    - and his emotions - to pursue watchful waiting - with any Gleeson under 7.  
This is to say, why might the "young man" want to know about this if the odds are infintesimally small he will act on it?  (We of course say, to watch its velocity!)
This puts logic squarely in your camp, Selmer, of focusing on preventative measures and slowing any possible growth.

Another food-related carcinogen issue:
Most chemical fertilizers and insecticides (and herbicides, fungicides, rodenticides, molluskcides, and so forth...) are petroleum based - and sport many side effects - many carcinogenic. 
My reading suggests living and working near these fields is statistically a problem.
For example, the herbicide/fungicide used on strawberry fields prior to planting is deadly. 
Much like you are not a vegetarian, I'm not rabid about "organic farming."    At this point in time, "cow manure & mulch" cannot replace fertilizer use worldwide without literally causing famines.  Fortunately, fertilizers and insecticides are not systemic and wash or peel off the food - As the cook washes or peels the bacteria off the food that I left when I touched it putting it on the shelf.... the chemicals and waxes also go.

I feel it is still generally better to eat regular squash or peaches than to eat none while holding out for the elusive organic squash or peaches...
I do encourage people to support organic farmers with their purchases as we find our way back to predominately locally grown sustainable agriculture
Some products will always require plant food (e.g., hydroponic tomatoes) but technology is rapidly reducing our dependency on pesticides and petroleum based fertilizers.  Navel Oranges will still only grow in December in the San Joaquin Valley... 
Every time another small, relatively local, organic farm becomes profitable, sustainable supply and knowledge increase - and price goes down - and fewer carcinogens are released into our environment.

And as Swimom said, it tastes better....

CCedar
ICTHUS!
2 Years of PSA between 4 and 5.5  + Biopsy 23DEC06 
Only 5 percent cancer in one of 8 samples.  +  Gleeson 3+3=6
Radical Prostatectomy 16FEB07 at age 54.
1+" tumor - touching inside edge of gland.  + Confined:)
Texas Hill Country FRESH Produce Department Manager
Have you had your 5 colors today?


AEG
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   Posted 8/5/2007 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Great discussion!

I found an interesting study, link is:

http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/news/press_releases/zyflamend.html

A.
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