All Day Chemist....Blue Pill, experiences

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mochapj
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   Posted 9/20/2007 4:53 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey all,

Another question for Dad.

I've seen mention of "All Day Chemist" and have visited their website. There's something a little scary about ordering meds from India...although the cost effectiveness may outweigh the "scary".

I know others have ordered from them. Has anyone had any "bad" experiences? Notice any differences between actual Viagra and the equivalent from All Day Chemist?


Thanks,
Julie

Cedar Chopper
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   Posted 9/20/2007 7:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Julie,

I haven't written detailed records but:
about 15 members here endorse alldaychemistdotcom.
I think I have read where two members questioned the strength of the tablets they purchased.  A few others say the alldaychemist seldinafil citrate is stronger.
I have had what I considered a "weak dose experience" with prescription Viagra.
This was undoubtedly related to the type and amount of food I consumed with the dosage.
These anectdotal reports make me think there might be some mixing issues from alldaychemist that they try to address by making the batch a bit stonger.

No one has reported any credit card security issues with them.
One member (I think it was Swimom.) did not use a credit card but paid in some other more secure fashion.

In my line of work, we question the "food grade quality" of imported fresh produce every day.  We address these issues by having our buyers act as inspectors of the premises/fields. We also have the most high-tech QA labs in the state.
Assuming the viable physiological  responses reported by the 15 or so members here are not some mass-placebo effect ...The unknown "pharmaceutical quality" we who are saving $10 to$15 per dose are risking with this company includes both sanitation (e.g., bacteria on the surfaces, viruses) and contaminants (e.g., heavy metals from impure water sources).  Not to make light of this nor try to scare people - but these are the very same serious issues we in the food business address with every morsel we sell.

We patients buying "from India" are weighing these risks against that of not taking the medication as there is no generic and insurance won't pay for most of us.  As for the fact it is "India" versus say Chicago, my experience is that reliability is found in the quality of the people you are dealing with - not where they are from.  Mindsets that assume a familiar source of untested product is less risky are taking an even greater risk.  For example, it wasn't spinach from Mexico being recalled last year.

I do business with wonderful people from & in India all the time.  I have over 200 Indian assocaites & friends in/from India - from the Punjab in the north to Sri Lanka off the southern tip.
I would still welcome some random analytical comparisons 
  - between Viagra and its 60 cent, 100 mg alternative from the sub-continent.
But then, I'd welcome that same analysis of the dressing for my salad.... ;-)

CCedar
ICTHUS

Post Edited (Cedar Chopper) : 9/20/2007 12:55:59 PM (GMT-6)


mochapj
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   Posted 9/20/2007 8:09 AM (GMT -7)   
How about http://www.candrugstore.com it looks like they carry viagra (brand name) for 4 dollars and some change.....40 pills of 100mg for 175.78 including shipping.

Anybody try this place????

Julie

lifeguyd
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   Posted 9/20/2007 8:50 AM (GMT -7)   

I just received my first order this week.  It came in a plain brown envelope.  I paid about fifty cents a 100mg tablet, plus shipping.
Actual cost slightly less than one dollar each.  The more you order the lower the cost as shipping is always about the same I was told. 

I used a "virtual" credit card number, so I had few worries of credit credit problems.  The order arrived about 12 days after I ordered. I use Virtual Visa numbers for all my on-line transactions.  Check it out.

I have confidence in things from India, as I have been there and understand the pride  that exists in the business community.

Now let's see if the pills work.


 
Biopsy 10/16/06
T2A,  PSA 4.7
Gleason 4+4=8 right side
adrenocarcinoma of prostate
DaVinci Surgery 01/16/07
Post op report,confirms Gleason4+4=8
no extra extension/invasion identified
age 65
no continence problems
Back on the golf course...
90 day PSA  less than 0.01 (undetectable)
Six Month PSA still undetectable
ED problems- 20mcg Caverject and 50mg Viagra-success
 
 
 


puget
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Total Posts : 237
   Posted 9/20/2007 12:24 PM (GMT -7)   
I started on the Viagra equivalent through alldaychemist (Caverta) about a month ago. I've found no difference between responses, except the Caverta seems a little stronger and lasts longer -- up to 12 hours in my experience. Same side effects for me -- mainly a stuffy nose and a little facial flushing once in a while. So far so good -- actually quite good!

puget
Puget
60 years old
Dx March 2007
Pre-Surgery Gleason 3+3 = 6
Clinical Stage: T1c
Biopsy: 1 in 10 positive
Da Vinci: June 7, 2007 
Post-Surgery Gleason 3+3 = 6
   Clear at margins
First Post-PSA Sept 07


Swimom
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   Posted 9/20/2007 12:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Actually, the TRADE name for sildenafil is Viagra. There is no "avavilable generic" in the U.S. nor will there be until such time as patents run out, allowing a flood of makers to market their own versions. By then, we'll probably see new versions of the Big 3 with their improved, super secret formula. There has been testing of PDE5 drugs containing LArginine (shhh...its a secret) for the last few years on some very lucky lab rats!

Swim
 


biker90
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   Posted 9/20/2007 1:24 PM (GMT -7)   
I have used Viagra and Levitra from ADC for 6 months. Have had good response with both and no problem with using the credit card. I think that lots of folks are afraid to try them because of scare stories spread by doctors and pill companies. Too bad there isn't any real competition in the drug business. And too bad doctors aren't on our side in this medication thing...

Jim
Age 73. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Pathological stage: T2C. Gleason 3+4. Cancer confined to prostate.
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 7/18/07 0.00. 
T level on 4/2/07 - 48     On 7/16/07 - 613
Started Tri-Mix on 8/7/07.  .02 ml and 50 mg Viagra.  It works!!!
Next PSA and T tests on 10/17/07
 
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."
 


pasayten
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Date Joined Mar 2007
Total Posts : 424
   Posted 9/20/2007 3:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Here is a copy of a post I made awhile back regarding the India Pharma info I found on the web and my experiences in the generic Viagra market:
 
 

I explored the generics from India in June as my health plan did not cover any ED drugs and Viagra was costing me $11-12 a 100mg pill which was then cut in half for my 50mg dose every other day...  worked out to $100/month...

This was a post I made that has a lot of info about what I found searching around a little.  Look at it and scroll down to my response around 6/3/2007

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=826201&g=826613#m826613

The generics are not approved by the FDA for sale in the U.S., but are extensively sold in Canada and other countries.  I had recommendations from others to look at alldaychemist.com (Most call it ADC) as it was a reliable internet outlet for them.  I also was sure I did not want any China boiler room pills or pills of what I thought might be lesser quality, even from the India pharma's.  I looked at the financial information, sales, and if they had any approved drugs (other than the generics) that were approved for sale in the U.S.    What I found was that there were some $0.54 cent pills that others have used with good success, but I leaned towards the large pharma's who also had a large amount of other drug sales in yhe U.S.and their pills were $2 a pill (100mg).
 
Ranbaxy made Caverta and they are a very large respected company from the info I found on the web,  along with a few of the others.  I ordered 64 for $128 plus shipping from ADC with my bankcard and sale confirmation and shipping was prompt.  I did not need to send an actual presrcription.  Two mailer envelops arrived from India in good shape.  The pills were in bubble packs...  very professional packaging like U.S. pill bubble packs...  Manufacturer and expirations dates clearly labeled...  Also the expiration dates were far in the future, so I firmly believe I did not  get any outdated or overstock pills... 
 
Caverta 100mg are sold outside the U.S. as an equivalent generic to Viagra 100mg.  Caverta pills are reddish and triangular in shape, but list the chemical makeup the same as Viagra...  I even talked to my doctor about them and my research and the cost difference... He did not blink an eye and made a general neutral response...  I realize that he cannot actually say they are OK or formally approve them...  
 
I have taken Caverta and my remaining Viagra staggered for awhile and can say the Caverta and Viagra work the same for me.
In fact,  the Caverta only costing $1 a "dose" vs $6 a dose for Viagra takes a little pressure off of the whole situation.  Another year or so, the U.S. Viagra patent will run out, and then the pills will probably be only $0.50 each!
 
All this discussion just represents my thought processes and actions and are not a recommendation for anybody to do anything different from what their doctor's tell them...  Just passing along my experiences...  :-)    Everybody should use their own due dilligence and care in their PCa journey...
 
P.S.
As an update, I have been using Caverta now for a month or so and am very happy with their quality and effects.
 
Ray
 
 
 
Ray

Age 59 y/o - Last 3-4 years of annual general health checkups - PSA 5-6
3/13/2007 - 12 point biopsy - Left 0/6  Right 1/6 Gleason 3+3 Diagnosed as T1c
4/24/2007 - DaVinci performed at Virginia Mason hospital in Seattle
5/2/2007 - Catheter Out! Final pathology of Gleason 6  T2c Nx Mx,   approx 20% of prostate involved, positive margin, but only at 2 focal points.  
6/28/2007 9 weeks post-op incontinance... Overnite, went from 4-6 soaked pads a day from prev 8 weeks to 2 barely wet pads a day.
7/12/2007 11 weeks post-op  Minimal leakage...  one small pad a day
7/18/2007 First Post-Op PSA...  0.01 !!! 
7/30/2007 ED improved to about 60% erection and "functional". Only using 50mg Viagra generic every 2-3 days.
 


pasayten
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Date Joined Mar 2007
Total Posts : 424
   Posted 9/20/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Also, FYI,  here is a web page listing Ranbaxy's FDA APPROVED generics for sale in U.S.  Actually quite a large list...
 
 

James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4461
   Posted 9/20/2007 3:21 PM (GMT -7)   

Funny you should ask, as my order of 100 mg. Manly, the Indian generic equivelant of Viagra arrived today.  I ordered 20 pills as a test, they doubled the order to 40, and charged $24.95 shipping Airmail. total 46.30.  I ordered on Sep 2, they charged my account on the 6th, sent a notice of shipping email on the 10th.  Arrived here today, the 20th in a plain brown envelop, no customs seals or anything to show it was anything other than a letter.  The pills are in blister packs of 20, with a manufactured  date of July 07, and expiration date of Sep. 2011.  The pills are larger than I expected, probably the size of a slightly squished M&M, ovalish and pretty robins egg blue.  The larger size makes for cutting into 4 easier, but they are fairly dry, course grained, and leave some small amount of dust residue when cut into 4's. No customs stamps or anything was on the package, so it must have went right thru customs fine.  I have read here and other places that the larger amount are shipped in a distinctive fiber or plastic-fiber wrapped little bale, which is easier to be noticed by Customs.  I have read of a few shipments being seized.  Alldaychemist have usually replaced the confiscated shipment for free, but the buyer has to pay shipping fees again on it. 

As to effectiveness, I have never taken Viagra or other ED pills, so will have no comparison to a before/after situation. As to safety of the product, I have read and seen other places of the quality of the manufacturers (Cooper Pharma Ltd.) quality control in their India factories.  They have a reputation of quality throughout the world, so am not too concerned about it, as hundreds of men in the USA have been taking them for some time. 

 


James C. 
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Age 60 
4/19/07  PSA 7.6 , referred to Urologist
4/26/07  Urologist prescribes 3 weeks of antibiotics/anti-inflam. due to past history of Prostatis.  DRE-             nothing detected but 'gross enlargement"
6/5/07    Recheck of PSA: 6.7, biopsy scheduled.
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, ultrasound size of gland around 76 cc.
7/17/07   Pathlogy report:  3 of 16 cancerous/ 5% involved, left lobe top to center, Gleason 3/3:6. 
8/3/07     Decision made for conventional RP surgery, scheduled for Sept. 24.
Present:   Surgery Scheduled for Sept. 24....waiting...waiting
 
 

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