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Pete42
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   Posted 10/29/2007 5:05 PM (GMT -7)   
This may be a little off-topic but I just read a news report about the Israeli prime minister being dianosed with prostate cancer, the article states he is scheduled to have "minor" surgery. What's up with that?
Diagnosed 1/26/07
Stage Tc1
Gleason 6
PSA 3.8
12 samples, positive in one 15%
Biopsy - 1% involvement, no bladder neck, Gleason 3+3, Tc1
Age 51
Surgery (robotic) May 4 2007 City of Hope
Final pathology - fully contained to prostate, TC1, Gleason 3+ 3
Fully continent one month
First Post op PSA - Undetectable
Second Post Op PSA (8/22/07)- Undetectable
ED- start injections 10/06/07
 


41diagnosed
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   Posted 10/30/2007 3:27 PM (GMT -7)   
I read the same news and thought about the amazing benefit to someone in politics of the pathetic lack of awareness of Prostate Cancer. That the general public would believe that article is clearly a sign of the fact that the general public knows almost nothing about the disease.

And how do I know...because when my doctor told me my PSA was elevated this past June, I asked, "what's my PSA?"

I have heard from numerous oncologists that PCa research is 30 years behind Breast Cancer Research. I've never heard of a walk for prostate cancer. And other than this site, guys don't really discuss incontinence and lack of hard ons or what percentage erection they are getting . It's just not PC (hmmm, there's a pun for ya!).

Honestly, if it weren't for this site, I don't think I would have anyone to tell about what I've been through or am experiencing other than my wife.

So sad as it is, the general public will believe the Prime Minister has had a little "bout" with cancer and that he will be fine after he has his "little" surgery. For the rest of us, we know he is going through the same thing we all have gone through, only he can't reach out to us because of his political position. So he will have to deal with this privately and without the support that all of us have had from one another. Sad for sure.

Well, I wish him the best and hope for him that he truly will be fine! I wish the same for everyone here and anyone diagnosed with PCa or any other cancer.
 
42 yo.
PSA 4.65
Gleason scores from 4 pathologies of the same biopsy with 2 of 12 cores positive for cancer (if this isn't confusing to the patient...):
 
1) both cores 3+4 (Weiss Memorial)
2) one 3+4 and one 3+3 (Univ. of Chicago Hosp.)
3) both cores 3+3 (Mass General Hosp.)
4) both cores 3+4 (Northwestern Memorial Hosp.)
 
 
9/17/07 - Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy Surgery at Northwestern Memorial in Chicago by Dr. William Catalona.
 
and the winner is...post op Gleason score of 3+4.
 
Good pathology report with negative margins, no seminal vesicale involvement, no lymphatic or vascular invasion, bladder and urethral free and tumor volume was 5% of 27.3g.  Amazing how something so small can cause such problems!
 
9/27/07 - Catheter removal...let the games begin...
 
 
 
 


Jayadub
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   Posted 10/30/2007 3:53 PM (GMT -7)   
41diagnosed said...
I read the same news and thought about the amazing benefit to someone in politics of the pathetic lack of awareness of Prostate Cancer. That the general public would believe that article is clearly a sign of the fact that the general public knows almost nothing about the disease.

And how do I know...because when my doctor told me my PSA was elevated this past June, I asked, "what's my PSA?"

I have heard from numerous oncologists that PCa research is 30 years behind Breast Cancer Research. I've never heard of a walk for prostate cancer. And other than this site, guys don't really discuss incontinence and lack of hard ons or what percentage erection they are getting . It's just not PC (hmmm, there's a pun for ya!).

Honestly, if it weren't for this site, I don't think I would have anyone to tell about what I've been through or am experiencing other than my wife.

So sad as it is, the general public will believe the Prime Minister has had a little "bout" with cancer and that he will be fine after he has his "little" surgery. For the rest of us, we know he is going through the same thing we all have gone through, only he can't reach out to us because of his political position. So he will have to deal with this privately and without the support that all of us have had from one another. Sad for sure.

Well, I wish him the best and hope for him that he truly will be fine! I wish the same for everyone here and anyone diagnosed with PCa or any other cancer.

 
Here is a link to a local walk for PCa that is local to me (Seattle area) and is happening this weekend.
http://www.pacerace.org/ so they do exist. I would say Breast Cancer gets most of the attention though. Pink this and pink that. Not that it doesn't deserve it, just that PCa needs to step up to that level.
 
I think one of the reasons the Loma Linda experience works so well for those that choose it, is that everyone who is there has the same thing in common, PCa. Trust me when I say that on the treatment level in the evening when I was there it was the daily norm to stay in the reception area for as long as 1-2 hours after I was done with my daily dose of Protons talking with all the guys and their wives about all of the topics that get discussed here. Nothing was off-limits and I laughed more in those 2 months than I had in the several months preceeding treatment.

54 years old

PSA 5.6 on 3/20/07

DRE: Negative

Biopsy on 4/20/07 

Results 4/25/07:

3 out of 12 cores positive, 2 on the right lobe with 5% adenocarcinoma Gleason 3+3, 1 on the left lobe 10% adenocarcinoma Gleason 3+4, overall Gleason graded 7 Cancer T1C.  After web research discovered Proton Beam Therapy and called Loma Linda. Completed consultation with Dr. Luu on 7/5/2007 and started treatment at Loma Linda on 7/26/07. Completed treatment 44 on 9/28/07. 0 treatments remain. Side Effects remain minimal. 1st PSA scheduled for end of Jan. 08.


HNR
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   Posted 10/30/2007 10:31 PM (GMT -7)   

Silvio Berlusconi, Rene Preval, Mahmoud Abbas, Francois Mitterand, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Mobutu Sese Seko ... Ehud Olmert. The faces of prostate cancer are the faces of all of us. Meanwhile, while we lose 500 men a week as prevention does not work.


HNR
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   Posted 10/30/2007 11:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I meant it in the simplest sense, that's all. We don't prevent prostate cancer. If we did, this chat would not exist.

War-eagle
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   Posted 10/31/2007 3:23 AM (GMT -7)   

A great dialog going on here. At times I think the only "walk" for awareness we guys and gals have are the commercials that mention PCa in passing at the end. "Do you have a going problem?" It's a start but we need much more , if not for us, but for future generations of men, there wives, and families who will follow us down this path. Yes we can't prevent PCa now, but we need to key in on earlier detection until a cure is found. I have always said that the day I was diagnosed with PCa, my life changed and I was put on the other side of the fence from all non-cancer people. My whole veiw point and outlook changed.

The general public must, somehow, get a chance to look through our eyes at this monster. For my part I am going to speak to our teenagers at church in December. No one else is going to bring awareness to this unless we do. I started a Caringbridge web page to help bring awareness to others in my area. People outside of our own little circles don't have a clue as to what we go through every day. These web pages and daily posts give them an inside look into what is realy going on behind the masks that we as "BIG MEN" put on every morning so we can show strength to everyone around us. I know that I have been my worst enemy in awareness by always putting on the happy face and answering every question on how am I doing with "GREAT". Now they get the real deal. If my back is hurting, "it hurts", if my ribs hurt, "they hurt". Only truth and openness will help bring awareness.

We all can wear a ribbon, too. What color do you want? I will wear it every day and explain what it means to everyone who asks. Maybe we can start a movement of awareness right now?

God bless you all and a great big War Eagle to ALL my brothers and sisters.

Walt


Age: 54
PSA 43 7/2005
Biopsy 12/14 Gleason 7 & 9
Divinci 9/2005 - spread to bladder
HT - 10/2005 (Eligard every 6 months)
RT - 10/2005 (38 treatments)
PSA 0.12 to 1.9 2/2007
Bone Scan and CT 4/2007
Casodex 4/2007
Spread to Spine (L4 & T5), rib, and pelvis
Zometa infusions 4/2007
PSA 4.8 8/2007
PSA 4.9 9/2007
PSA 5.4 10/07
 
"I will persist without exception - I will find a way where there is no way"


M. Kat
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   Posted 10/31/2007 4:32 AM (GMT -7)   
hi all, blue is the color for prostate cancer. here is a link to a website that sells a variety of items. http://www.ustoo.org/Shopping/Main.aspx
Husband Jeff 56 years old diagnosed July 27, 2006
PSA 6.5, 2 positive areas in biopsy, Gleason 3+3=6
Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy August 30, 2006
pathology report - all clear - cancer gone
1st post-surgery PSA test <0.1, 2nd post-surgery PSA test <0.1, 3rd PSA <0.1
no more pads Oct 12, 2006
first "real" erection with use of pump 12/16/06
3/07 - occasional dribbles and erections with Cialis and pump
8/07 - 1 yr PSA <0.1
9/1/07 - achieved erection with Viagra - no pump!


myman
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   Posted 10/31/2007 6:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,
Just my 2 cents -

This disease will get the attention it deserves when some of those "Big Names" are honest about what they go through.
Think about this: Someone MAY say they had surgery or radiation BUT do they go the step further - go public about what has happened to their sex lives once surgery, HT or other types of treatment take place?
These men are in positions of power, whether they are politicians, sports figures or celebraties - do you think they would talk openly about what effect this disease has had?
If some "names" came out and would talk openly don't you think it would wake people up a bit? Wouldn't that raise awareness? Wouldn't money come for research easier?

And why don't they? Because they fear it will make them look weak, less than manly. How little they know...the strongest men here talk openly, share their experiences and encourage their brothers (and sisters) in this fight.

Without a doubt, this is a difficult cancer to talk about. What & how much do you tell someone when they ask? All they see are the Viva Viagra (grrrrrr) commercials and think a pill will take care of it.

Well, that's just my opinion and I've vented long enough.

Susan
Husband Diagnosed 11/17/05 Age: 63 No Symptoms
PSA: 7.96, Positive DRE
Biopsy Right: 6 of 6 Cores Positive Biopsy Left: 1 of 6 Cores Positive
Gleason: 4+3 = 7 Stage: T2B N0 MX
3 mo. PSA Post LRP Surgery: 11.8, 12.9, 13.9 Bone scan, CT scan, Endorectal MRI, Chest XR - neg.
09/06/06: 6 mo. PSA: 18.8 Distant lymph node involvement Start HT Lupron 3 mo. shots
12/06/06: PSA 0.8
03/07/07: PSA 0.3
06/06/07: PSA 0.1
09/05/07: PSA 0.1


StrictlyInc
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   Posted 10/31/2007 2:48 PM (GMT -7)   
After going through what I have to date,, I certainly have a lot more respect for those that do come out and deal with their disease in public, and issues like ED, including Bob Dole.
____________________

Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-12 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007)

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline, ordered to be celibate for 6 weeks.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix batting average: .545 (5 for 9)
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2)

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."


Tim G
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   Posted 11/1/2007 8:37 AM (GMT -7)   

I contacted one of the major grocery chains in my area (Pacific NW) and thanked them for their support for Breast Cancer Awareness month in October.  I suggested that Prostate Cancer Awareness month (September) would be a welcome addition next year. 

My suggestion was well received and I had a positive response from the company's Marketing VP.  He said that the stores had Men's Health Awareness month in June. So we'll see what happens next year.

When I was diagnosed with PC, I opted to tell my co-workers.  I think this was a good thing, but noticed that the males were reticent (read: 'I don't want to talk about it') to discuss anything related to so sensitive an issue.

I gave my co-workers regular, general updates on my own treatment (prostatectomy) and subsequent PSAs. I emphasized the value of early diagnosis as the best chance for cure.  I've noticed that in my experience women are more open and honest and less likely to deny the reality of prostate cancer. 

Our daughter (25) started Medical School this fall and is certainly well aware of the realities of prostate cancer, so when she finishes her schooling, will be an advocate for prostate cancer awareness and testing.

There is some important research being done on the development of a prostate cancer vaccine.  This is exciting and hopeful news for the next generation of men who will face prostate cancer, just as the development of the PSA test in the 1980s was important for our generation.

 

 

 

 

 


Age 59 PSA 2.6 Gleason 5
Bi-lateral nerve-sparing RRP 6/21/06
Cancer confined to prostate, post-op PSA non-detectable


StrictlyInc
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   Posted 11/1/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Interestingly, there is a story in today's Los Angeles Times praising Prime Minister Olmert's frankness:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-olmert1nov01,1,2391904.story
From the Los Angeles Times
DISPATCH FROM JERUSALEM
Israel's Olmert breaks new ground
The prime minister's forthright disclosure that he has cancer is seen as a watershed in the nation's political culture.
By Richard Boudreaux
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

November 1, 2007

JERUSALEM — The text message from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office conveyed a sense of urgency: The Israeli leader was calling a news conference in less than three hours. Reporters were told the topic -- his health -- but were instructed not to mention it in advance.

Tired of being misled about the medical condition of the country's leaders, the Israeli journalists rebelled. Within minutes, the airwaves and newspaper websites were churning with speculation about a mysterious illness and a looming change at the government helm.

The ailment turned out to be early-stage prostate cancer, and Olmert's calm and forthright disclosure of his treatable condition this week has been widely welcomed as a watershed in the political culture. His fiercest critics acknowledge the value of his precedent: He is the first Israeli leader to fully disclose the details of an illness threatening his life.

But did he really have a choice?

Perhaps not. Israel's hyper-competitive, free-wheeling press feels burned for swallowing official disinformation that depicted Olmert's predecessor, Ariel Sharon, as bouncing back satisfactorily from a stroke in December 2005. Sharon's second stroke, the following month, put him in a coma from which he has not recovered.

Sharon was simply following a tradition of secrecy that Israel has shared with many other countries.

The late Golda Meir, Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Rabin, among other Israeli leaders, concealed ill health to protect their effectiveness in office.

But they ruled in a different era. The speed of the Internet has eroded the cult of secrecy. So has the growth of public interest in the health of leaders, a trend accompanied by increasingly open discussion of cancer and the ways to detect and treat it.

These changes would have made concealment risky for Olmert, Herb Keinon explained in the Jerusalem Post.

"Journalists, because of what happened to Sharon, would have doggedly pursued any scrap of information about Olmert's health -- information that inevitably would have leaked out -- and would have thought, broadcast and written the absolute worst," Keinon wrote. "Had he not given a full revelation, then rumors would have spread, and a tiny growth on his prostate would have morphed into something much larger and more serious in the media."

That, in turn, might have undermined Olmert's fragile coalition government and his ability to negotiate with Palestinian and Arab leaders at a U.S.-brokered Middle East peace summit expected by year's end.

One of Olmert's advisors offered an explanation for his decision to open up -- the influence of America's candid treatment of politicians' ailments and particularly the example of Rudolph W. Giuliani. While mayor of New York, he dropped out of the U.S. Senate race in 2000 to be treated for prostate cancer.

"Olmert saw how his predecessors wriggled when they were asked to tell about their state of health," the unnamed advisor told the newspaper Yediot Aharonot. "He decided instead to act like his friend Rudy Giuliani, who told the American public when he became ill."

To dispel skeptics, Olmert brought two of his doctors to Monday's news conference and allowed them to answer reporters' questions in minute detail.

"The general tone of the questions was: This time you're not going to trick us," said Sima Kadmon, who covered the conference for Yediot Aharonot.

Many Israelis were reassured by the answers. Opinion surveys showed that large majorities believed the doctors' statements that Olmert's tumor had been detected early, that his chances of being cured by surgery were high and that he could continue to perform his duties before and after hospitalization. Olmert's approval rating shot up 6 points, to 41%.

Thelma Jacobson, a Jerusalem Post reader in the town of Petah Tikva, was less impressed.

"There's no way, in this age of instant communications, that Olmert could have kept his illness a secret. So he spoke up. Big deal," she wrote to the newspaper's letters column.

"I wish him good health so we can defeat him in the polls," she added.
____________________

Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-12 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007)

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline, ordered to be celibate for 6 weeks.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix batting average: .545 (5 for 9)
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2)

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."

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