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KMC51
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Date Joined Jun 2007
Total Posts : 31
   Posted 11/23/2007 8:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I'd posted some questions about the pump, but after a few days I haven't received a reply, which seems unusual for this forum. I wonder if I screwed up the posting somehow. Anyhow, I just received a Vacurect, but I haven't tried it yet because I'm not sure what to expect. Some signatures mention "real" erections after months using the pump, so I assume you don't necessarily get instant results. Any personal experiences? Thank you.
Age: 56
Pre-op PSA: 10.2 (one lab) or 6.4 and 6.7 (another lab)
Da Vinci 9/20/07
Gleason 6
1st post-op PSA: undetectable
Continence: dry some days, typically a couple of leaks per day
Sexual: most nerves lost because embedded in enlarged prostate. Apparently some blood flow--some nighttime enlargement--very little response. Grateful for desire and orgasms. Just ordered pump; don't know what to expect from it. Great wife.


lifeguyd
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Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 664
   Posted 11/23/2007 9:12 AM (GMT -7)   

The pump is not a miracle worker. It is just another tool to help regain erection capability.  You might try to use it regularly (several times a week) because it pulls blood into your penis and helps ensure that it has a healthy blood supply.

As far as a tool to increase sexual pleasure, I found it lacking.  It is often uncomfortable and with the rubber rings, cumbersome and distracting. It is nice to see an erection, even if it is uneven and spongy.  It is unlikely that without the rings that your erection will stay firm enough to acheve penetration.

However, if you are younger, it is quite possible that using a pump will accelerate your healing and lead to natural erections sooner.  Good luck and keep on pumping. tongue


 
Biopsy 10/16/06
T2A,  PSA 4.7
Gleason 4+4=8 right side
adrenocarcinoma of prostate
DaVinci Surgery 01/16/07
Post op report,confirms Gleason4+4=8
no extra extension/invasion identified
age 65
no continence problems
Back on the golf course...
90 day PSA  less than 0.01 (undetectable)
Six Month PSA still undetectable
Dealing with ED problems with Caverject/Viagra
nine month psa slightly elevated + .02
 
 
 


KMC51
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Date Joined Jun 2007
Total Posts : 31
   Posted 11/23/2007 9:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I fumbled around with the pump this morning and didn't get anything near an erection, but I guess the exercise is good.
Age: 56
Pre-op PSA: 10.2 (one lab) or 6.4 and 6.7 (another lab)
Da Vinci 9/20/07
Gleason 6
1st post-op PSA: undetectable
Continence: dry some days, typically a couple of leaks per day
Sexual: most nerves lost because embedded in enlarged prostate. Apparently some blood flow--some nighttime enlargement--very little response. Grateful for desire and orgasms. Just ordered pump; don't know what to expect from it. Great wife.


pasayten
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Date Joined Mar 2007
Total Posts : 424
   Posted 11/23/2007 2:45 PM (GMT -7)   
KMC51,
 
I got the pump 6 months post op...  mainly just to see how it might speed ED recovery...  and maybe give a better erection so my wife can have as much fun as I am having...  (PCa humor)...
 
Here is a link to a longer post that I made on a similar thread mid November...
 
 
Basically, with the larger ring, discomfort is very minimal and unnoticed in my case...  but I found only certain positions that the larger ring works...  Smaller rings and increasing discomfort were found in other positions...  but nothing unbearable...   And wife is very happy.
 
Take care and God bless!
 
pasayten
Age 59 y/o - Last 3-4 years of annual general health checkups - PSA 5-6
3/13/2007 - 12 point biopsy - Left 0/6  Right 1/6 Gleason 3+3 Diagnosed as T1c
4/24/2007 - DaVinci performed at Virginia Mason hospital in Seattle
5/2/2007 - Catheter Out! Final pathology of Gleason 6  T2c Nx Mx,   approx 20% of prostate involved, positive margin, but only at 2 focal points.  
6/28/2007 9 weeks post-op incontinance... Overnite, went from 4-6 soaked pads a day from prev 8 weeks to 2 barely wet pads a day.
7/12/2007 11 weeks post-op  Minimal leakage...  one small pad a day
7/18/2007 First Post-Op PSA...  0.01 !!! 
7/30/2007 ED improved to about 60% erection and "functional". Only using 50mg Viagra generic every 2-3 days.
9/10/2007 Ran out of pads one day and had no dribbles all day...  Now pad free. :-)


KMC51
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Total Posts : 31
   Posted 11/24/2007 9:46 AM (GMT -7)   
lifeguyd and pasayten,
Thank you for your comments. I understand that everyone is different, but it helps to hear of other experiences. So far I've just used the larger ring, and while I find that the penis thickens, it doesn't elongate at all. This is after just two days' attempts, by the way. I'm wondering if there's not enough blood getting through because of the larger ring. I'm content just to be getting some blood exercise for right now, but I'm not sure I'm doing the whole thing properly.
Age: 56
Pre-op PSA: 10.2 (one lab) or 6.4 and 6.7 (another lab)
Da Vinci 9/20/07
Gleason 6
1st post-op PSA: undetectable
Continence: dry some days, typically a couple of leaks per day
Sexual: most nerves lost because embedded in enlarged prostate. Apparently some blood flow--some nighttime enlargement--very little response. Grateful for desire and orgasms. Just ordered pump; don't know what to expect from it. Great wife.


naimnut
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Date Joined Jan 2007
Total Posts : 93
   Posted 11/24/2007 11:06 AM (GMT -7)   

It sounds like you are using it wrong.

The ring goes on later, after the  erection has been achieved.  In fact, do your first experiments with no ring at all. Just pump up and down. My ED specialist advised to use it twice a day, every day. Pump up and down at least 4 times, pumping to the point of discomfort.  Believe me, if you do this you'll get an erection all right.

after you've experimented for several days or a week then try the ring. follow the directions.

 


CaPCa
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 118
   Posted 11/24/2007 12:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I started a thread about my pump experiences recently. You may want to search for it. I, too, did not get very good results at all initially. However, I found that over a week of consistent use, my results improved dramatically. It was almost as if my body had to get used to it. I have not used the pump with the rings because I have been very lucky with achieving erections naturally and use the pump only for ongoing therapy. Even though the pump results have been much better, I find that erotic thoughts are necessary to that last 1/2 inch or so of erection when using it.
Age:44
Father diagnosed and cured at age 52.
08/21/07: Diagnosed with T1c cancer
1 of 12 biopsy cores positive; 10% tissue
Gleason score: 3+3=6
PSA level prior to biopsy: 4.3 (velocity < 0.4ng/ml)
10/19/07: da Vinci prostatectomy by Dr. Vipul Patel at OSUMC.
              Difficult surgery due to prostate inflammation.
              Both nerve bundles spared.
              Spongy erections began within 24hrs of surgery!
10/24/07: Catheter out; down to 1 Serenity pad/day next day.
              Final pathology: neg margins, no capsular penetration,
              Gleason 3+3=6, 5% tumor involvement, multi-focal.
11/04/07  First usable erection with Cialis
 


M. Kat
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Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 715
   Posted 11/24/2007 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
KCM51, Jeff found the pump to be uncomfortable but could only get erections with it for a while. he used one of the larger rings because a smaller one was very difficult to get off and hurt too much. I don't understand how you can use the pump without a ring, but maybe they are all made differently. Jeff found that he had to hold the pump end with the ring very close to his body and make sure no air or hair got in. it gets better with practice. eventually he was able to get erections with just the drugs so he doesn't need the pump anymore. best wishes and keep practicing! kat
Husband Jeff 56 years old diagnosed July 27, 2006
PSA 6.5, 2 positive areas in biopsy, Gleason 3+3=6
Radical Retropubic Prostatectomy August 30, 2006
pathology report - all clear - cancer gone
1st post-surgery PSA test <0.1, 2nd post-surgery PSA test <0.1, 3rd PSA <0.1
no more pads Oct 12, 2006
first "real" erection with use of pump 12/16/06
3/07 - occasional dribbles and erections with Cialis and pump
8/07 - 1 yr PSA <0.1
9/1/07 - achieved erection with Viagra - no pump!


KMC51
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Date Joined Jun 2007
Total Posts : 31
   Posted 11/25/2007 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
This is exactly the kind of help I need. Thanks to all. I did review the earlier thread, too--a lot of information there. It's good to know I simply need to persist, that whether or not we end up getting any fun out of it, the practice is worthwhile. I guess part of it is my mind-set. I still feel a bit lost, doubting that I'll regain "normal" sexual function because of the nerve loss. And here I am at the beginning, not sure what it's all for. But it's a morale boost to be doing something, anything.
Age: 56
Pre-op PSA: 10.2 (one lab) or 6.4 and 6.7 (another lab)
Da Vinci 9/20/07
Gleason 6
1st post-op PSA: undetectable
Continence: dry some days, typically a couple of leaks per day
Sexual: most nerves lost because embedded in enlarged prostate. Apparently some blood flow--some nighttime enlargement--very little response. Grateful for desire and orgasms. Just ordered pump; don't know what to expect from it. Great wife.


James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4461
   Posted 11/26/2007 9:57 AM (GMT -7)   

I began using the Vacurect 2 weeks ago.  The first thing to know is it works different than the others you may read about, in that the ring, which really looks like a washer with a hole in the end goes onto the pump tube AND your penis head goes into or at lest against the ring opening before pumping.  The instructions tell you to use lots of non-petroluem lube on the base of the pubic area, where the hair is, (if you are just exercising blood flow and not putting on the ring), otherwise on the pump side of the base of the washer ring itself, and on the ring opening that the penis goes into.  The instructions says to start with the largest size first and progress smaller until you find one size that will keep the blood in the penis and not allow it to leak back out, resulting in loss of erection.  You lube up the pump, ring and your penis, then place the washer onto the end of the the pump, with the raised inner edge of the ring facing into the pump, hence outward facing on your penis.  Place the penis head onto the washer ring opening , press gently against the head and pump a little bit.  This will draw the head and some length of the penis through the opening in the washer ring and into the pump.  At this point, I found it more comfortable to remove the pump from the ring base and manually pull on the skin of the penis working it through the ring so that things aren't stretched too far, resulting in possible tearing.  Push the ring down on the penis toward the body as far as possible by hand.  Place the pump back on the ring, it's easy to do, then slowly pump.  Do a couple short pumps and wait.  You should see some growth of the penis inside the pump sleeve,  If you try a few times pumping and it doesn't grow, then check that you have plenty of lube on the inner base of the washer ring, and press the pump tighter into the pubic area, sealing out any air leaks the pump may be pulling.  Take your time, and slowly pump, once it starts enlarging. I found that there's a slight uncomfortable 'twinge' in the penis head when reaching close to full pumping.  If the ring is still working to keep the blood from leaking back out of the penis, stop pumping when you feel that first twinge and allow the penis to finish filling with blood by using the residual vacuum in the pump.  When you are satisfied with the results, take your finger and press down on the outer lip of the ring, into the pubic area, making it lose its vacuum seal.  Remove the pump and you should have a firm erection.  It may not look or feel like you had before, it may be uncomfortably stretched and tight skinned, practice will teach you when enough is enough to allow a useful erection that isn't uncomfortable.  The washer ring should be sized small enough to hold the blood in, not allowing the penis to go back down.  You have 30 minutes of use in any form you want, make sure not to exceed that time, to avoid damage to the erectile tissue.  When you want to remove the ring, add more lube to the penis length, from the washer ring to the head, then slowly and gently squeeze the blood filled penis with a full grip of the hand.  This pushes the blood out past the ring restriction.  Squeeze slowly and gently.  If you have had to use a one of the smaller rings to keep the blood in, the squeezing may not work much, so do it a little, then grasp the ring edge with both hands and pull outward, stretching the ring.  With lubed fingers, I can usually get a finger tip between the ring and the penis, which allows for draining.  This allows the blood to flow out of the penis quickly.  When the penis is small enough, slowly pull the ring off the lubed penis.

To just exercise the penis, I have found that I can use a good soap lather on the pubic area, without the rings and pump up the penis and the soap will seal it to the body without any rings.  I let it stay there for a  half minute or so, then release and do it again for a few repetitions.  Pick a time when you aren't rushed or distracted, take your time, and practice it until you have figured and fitted your pump and ring to yourself.  It'll take several uses to get comfortable using and find the right combination that will work for you.  However, the pump is a poor second to a natural erection, but when you are impotent for a few weeks, it is a good ego builder to see some near normal appearance and function again.  lol

James C.

Post Edited (James C.) : 11/26/2007 4:34:03 PM (GMT-7)


James C.
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   Posted 11/27/2007 7:34 AM (GMT -7)   

KMC51
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Date Joined Jun 2007
Total Posts : 31
   Posted 11/27/2007 3:55 PM (GMT -7)   
I had my first positive experience with the pump last night. Nothing spectacular with the pump itself, a little better than the day before, but much better retention of blood afterward. It was a boost to see real progress. I'll keep pumping away.
Age: 56
Pre-op PSA: 10.2 (one lab) or 6.4 and 6.7 (another lab)
Da Vinci 9/20/07
Gleason 6
1st post-op PSA: undetectable
Continence: dry some days, typically a couple of leaks per day
Sexual: most nerves lost because embedded in enlarged prostate. Apparently some blood flow--some nighttime enlargement--very little response. Grateful for desire and orgasms. Just ordered pump; don't know what to expect from it. Great wife.


KMC51
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Date Joined Jun 2007
Total Posts : 31
   Posted 11/27/2007 3:59 PM (GMT -7)   
James, thanks for the thorough advice. Being relaxed with the device seems to help.
Age: 56
Pre-op PSA: 10.2 (one lab) or 6.4 and 6.7 (another lab)
Da Vinci 9/20/07
Gleason 6
1st post-op PSA: undetectable
Continence: dry some days, typically a couple of leaks per day
Sexual: most nerves lost because embedded in enlarged prostate. Apparently some blood flow--some nighttime enlargement--very little response. Grateful for desire and orgasms. Just ordered pump; don't know what to expect from it. Great wife.

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