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quinnbug
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Date Joined Dec 2007
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   Posted 12/20/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   
 My 56 yr. old husband had a DaVinci radical prostatectomy 15 months ago.
Stage T2ca
Gleason 3+4=7
PSA before surgery 4.1
Clean margins
Negative Pathology
 Eight weeks post-op,his first PSA was .4 Three months after that it was .5
At his last check-up three months ago it was .8
Urologist said it's time to do something. Radiation Oncologist said he has micrometastis
that wouldn't show up on a bone scan,and doesn't want to radiate the prostate bed
if the stray cells haven't settled there. He said it would be radiating my husband for nothing,
and would probably make him incontinent again,forever.
He's due for another PSA and visit with his oncologist,but my husband fears there is nothing
that can be done for him. He wanted to participate in a study suggested by his oncologist,but our insurance won't cover one of the study drugs. (which I thought were going to be free.)
So,it looks like that's out too,because we really cannot waste anymore time arguing with our insurance company and asking them to reconsider the claim.
We are angry and scared,too.
 Quinnbug
 
 
 
 
 

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/20/2007 3:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Quinnbug,
Soon you will receive a very warm welcome from our outstanding moderators. But let me be the first to say hello. This is a great forum. You will find friends here and your advice here to be solid.

For my part, I think you need to get a second opinion on the radiation. I have been through the gambit of treatments and hitting the prostate bed while there is a rise in PSA but no evidence of bone invasion means usually to hit the prostate bed as well as the pelvic lymph nodes with radiation. You don't mention whether he has had androgen deprivation therapy (also called Hormone Therapy, using Eligard, Zoladex or Lupron. if not, your going to find many options that you need to know more about. But like your husband, I havd had the same surgery, I am on Lupron and Casodex, and I have had the radiation. I am no where near incontinent at all and have very few side effects.

Also in studies the drugs are usually free but the administering of them is not. But that should be covered by your insurance. I would not take part in any study that the drugs being studied were not free.

I pray for your safe holidays and peace to you.

Tony


Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007
Post-Op Pathology was poor: Gleason 4+3=7, 4 positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
 
My PSA did drop out after surgery to undetectable.  It has not returned and I will continue HT until January '08.
 
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   Posted 12/20/2007 4:33 PM (GMT -7)   

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IdahoSurvivor
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   Posted 12/20/2007 4:43 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi quinnbug ~

 

We’re sorry for the reason you’re with us, but so glad to have you here.

 

Please feel comfortable to share as if you’ve always been here!  You have some history with this disease already and the more information you are able to share with us, the better your new friends on HealingWell can respond to you.

 

Take heart and know that we'll do the best we can to be your friend, listen to your thoughts and ideas, and at the same time offer a little free information.

 

Finally, a very warm welcome to you!

 

Keeping you close in our thoughts and prayers.

 

All the best,

 

Barry


"Idaho" ~ Barry

 

Da Vinci Surgery July 31, 2007… 54 on surgery day
PSA 4.3  Gleason 3+3=6  T2a  Confined to Prostate

1st PSA  9/11/2007   <0.04 (undetectable)

2nd PSA 12/10/2007  <0.04

My web site: http://pca-info.blogspot.com


Dutch
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   Posted 12/20/2007 6:24 PM (GMT -7)   

Quinnbug:

Sorry to hear that your husband is going to have to revisit this Pca thing, but I agree with Tony that a second opinion regarding radiation would be a good thing.  I did not have surgery, but had proton - I know quite afew men who have had adjuvant proton after failed surgery and are doing very well.  We look forward to your continued postings and wish you well.

Dutch


Diagnosed Feb 2001  (Age 65)  Currently 72
PSA 4.8      Gleason 3+3=6      Stage   T2b
Completed Proton Therapy @ Loma Linda - Aug 2001 - No side effects.
6yr PSA - 0.19
Our responsibility now is to educate men about Pca, PSA and the importance of early detection. 
 
 
 


Tamu
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   Posted 12/20/2007 7:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Quinnbug,

My heart aches for what you and your husband are going through. It frustrates me that the medical community cannot develop standardized protocol for certain conditions. I cannot tell you what to do but I can tell you what I would do if I was in the situation you describe. I would seek out one of the well known and validated cancer centers across the country and get an appointment as soon as possible. Since I am originally from Texas the M. D. Anderson facility in Houston would be my choice but I am sure that there are others across the country and probably one within a days drive from you. Further treatment is indicated by the PSA but you need to get a recommendation that is backed up by expertise.

May God bless and keep both of you within his comforting and healing hands.

Tamu
Diagnosed 7/6/06, 1 of 10 core samples, 40%,Stage T1c, Gleason 3+3
Da Vinci on 11/01/06, Catheter out on 11/13/06
56 Years Old
Post Op Path, Gleason 3+3, Approx. 5% of prostate involved
Prostate Confined, margins clear
Undetectable PSA on 12/18/06
No more pads as of 1/13/07
Began injections in April '07
Undetectable PSA on 6/25/07


myman
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   Posted 12/20/2007 8:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Welcome Quinnbug,
Do NOT think there is no other treatment. The second opinions are mandatory...your current docs will understand and would do the same if it were them.
Having said that I must say this - radiologists wouldn't touch Don either. The cancer never showed up in the prostate bed - it was in distant lymph nodes. But there is treatment and he was started on Hormone Therapy. Yes, there are side effects but he lives with them. And quite well.
So, just know at this point, no matter what therapy is decided on, your husband is far from being in a position "that nothing can be done for him".

Yes, you are afraid...we were too and at times we still are. But once you acknowledge that - move on because it's a waste of time. Continue to do your research and carry on as if he has much to live for because he certainly does.
We'll be here for you both.

All the best,
Susan
Husband Diagnosed 11/17/05 Age: 63 No Symptoms
PSA: 7.96, Positive DRE
Biopsy Right: 6 of 6 Cores Positive Biopsy Left: 1 of 6 Cores Positive
Gleason: 4+3 = 7 Stage: T2B N0 MX
3 mo. PSA Post LRP Surgery: 11.8, 12.9, 13.9 Bone scan, CT scan, Endorectal MRI, Chest XR - neg.
09/06/06: 6 mo. PSA: 18.8 Distant lymph node involvement Start HT Lupron 3 mo. shots
12/06/06: PSA 0.8
03/07/07: PSA 0.3
06/06/07: PSA 0.1
09/05/07: PSA 0.1
11/27/07: PSA 0.1


biker90
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   Posted 12/20/2007 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Quinnbug,

As you can see, we have several here who have had successful follow-up treatment and surgery. Their advice to get a second or even a third opinion is what seems to be your best course of action.

Fear in these situations is normal. Action is the best way to overcome it. So make a plan, make some calls for appointments, study your options and please stay with us. We can all get well together...

Jim
Age 73. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Catheter out on 12/13/06.  Dry on 12/14/06.
Pathological stage: T2C. Gleason 3+4. Cancer confined to prostate.
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 10/17/07 0.00. 
Next PSA test on 1/15/08
 
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."
 


quinnbug
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Date Joined Dec 2007
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   Posted 12/21/2007 6:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you to all for your kind remarks and for taking the time to send them.
Just reading them made me feel better.
I don't know where we will go from here,but it seems like a second opinion is on order.
Merry Christmas to you all,
Gratefully, Quinnbug

mozart250
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Date Joined Jan 2007
Total Posts : 102
   Posted 12/24/2007 4:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello Quinnbug:
I concur with those that suggest a second opinion.
 
I too recently went to a radiation oncologist after a slight rise in PSA.  My radiation oncologist said that there is no way outside of a bone scan to know for sure whether the cancer has metastesis.  All you are doing is playing percentages.  There are some metrics that you cite that could indicate the cancer has not metastesized. However, I am not an expert.
 
Furthermore although radiation has a risk of incontinence it is by no means a certainty.  Chances are your husband will not be incontinent.
 
Again, I think a second opinion is in order.
52 Year Old DBA by profession; amateur pianist by passion.
 
June 2006:  PSA 4.6.  DRE prostate enlarged.  
Aug  2006:  Second opinion confirms first.  Biopsy suggested.
Sep  2006:  Biopsy results positive one lobe.  Gleason 3+3.
Nov  2006:  RPA performed at Fletcher Allen in Burlington VT.
Nov  2006:  Pathology report: Stage T3a and Gleason 3+4.
Dec  2006:  PSA 0.1
Feb, May  2007:  PSA 0.0 (under 0.1)
Aug, Nov  2007:  PSA 0.1
 
Trying my hand at blogging.

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