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Oldbuddy
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   Posted 11/27/2017 10:25 PM (GMT -6)   
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astroman
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   Posted 11/29/2017 4:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Your lab doesnt make sense.

Your TSH looks a little hyper, (did you take your T4 med right before the bloood draw?)...but you dont have enough hormone of T3 or T4 in your blood to accomplish that.

T4 in the middle and T3 below range does not make a normal operating body hyper, closer to hypO if anything.

Hypo can create anziety which feels like hyper. Stressed adrenals can make you feel hyper and edgy.

This might be an example of the TSH test being garbage.

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   Posted 11/29/2017 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
You didnt answer this important question- did you take your T4 med right before the blood draw?)...


And looking at all your tests : again, .....you dont have enough hormone of T3 or T4 in your blood to accomplish this low TSH. Unless you took med right before the blood draw. If that answer is NO..then something else is wrong.

Your t3 and t4 combined are not hypo. Yet your TSH suggests this. This is not how a normally operating thyroid endo system works.

Its like your hyper and hypo at the same time.

Ever have a pituitary cat scan? Its like your pit is not working right.

One weird thought.........Very very very few people have hashimoto AND graves. You do not mention any antibody tests done. This would be warranted by any Dr with brains seeing your results. Suggest this.

If the Dr wont do it, order it from stop the thyroid maddness and pay on your own.. If your near a city (long drive ?) with a participating blood draw lab, this works out well. There online Dr approves / gives authority for your blood to be tested. That how it works in the US. Canada...I thinks its the same.

To bad (for us) thyroid is so mysterious to so many Drs.
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astroman
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   Posted 11/29/2017 10:55 PM (GMT -6)   
high reverse t3 usually has high free T3, as its just floating around accumulation in blood, not getting used up.
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hypoHashimoto
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   Posted 11/30/2017 6:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Dear Oldbuddy,

Your TSH of 0.24 is indicative of being hyperthyroid, and that of 7.87 is indicative of being hypothyroid, since you have hashimoto's disease you need to find the proper dose of Levothyroxine to balance your thyroid gland.

Just taking the medication is not enough, there are many factors that you need to take care of so that the drug becomes effective, first consistency (the same dose is taken at the same time each day morning on an empty stomach and to fast for at least one hour), second to not perform blood tests on intervals less than six weeks since each change in dose.

So bottom line, your TSH from OCT is quite high and your dose needs to be increased, to know by how much you first need to consult with an Endocrinologist to help you bring your TSH to some where between 1-3 .

Last thing I want to say is to make sure you perform the blood test early morning around the same time each time and before taking the medication.

Wishes for good health,

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   Posted 11/30/2017 9:48 AM (GMT -6)   
In some people TSH does not matter. Some people do have pituitary issues that modern medicine cant or does not explain. Thats why its often said that the freeT3/T4 is more important than TSH. These people have to experimnt, go somewhat by feel, and find a dr willing to allow this.

TSH is not a real hormone your cells use, its a signal. And it changes a lot in some people when T3/4 are the same.

FT3 and 4 are cell consumable hormones- fuel for all of your cells.

Palio, no glutan, no dairy Diet helped my hashimoto. One elevated antibody normalized after 20 years. I do feel a little better but still take thyroid med. Hashimoto symptoms go beyond the thyroid, this is ignored by modern medicine but not by natural path MD's.

astroman
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   Posted 11/30/2017 10:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Oldbuddy said...
astroman said...
In some people TSH does not matter. Some people do have pituitary issues that modern medicine cant or does not explain. Thats why its often said that the freeT3/T4 is more important than TSH. These people have to experimnt, go somewhat by feel, and find a dr willing to allow this.

TSH is not a real hormone your cells use, its a signal. And it changes a lot in some people when T3/4 are the same.

FT3 and 4 are cell consumable hormones- fuel for all of your cells.

Palio, no glutan, no dairy Diet helped my hashimoto. One elevated antibody normalized after 20 years. I do feel a little better but still take thyroid med. Hashimoto symptoms go beyond the thyroid, this is ignored by modern medicine but not by natural path MD's.


Wow, your antibody normalized.. they said it is not cured even antibody normalized, did you try to stop thyroid hormone since your antibody has disappeared? what about the ultrasound?


I had BOTH high TPO antibodies and Tg antibodies. One is normal and one is still elevated per repeated testing,.... records are stashed away. So technically I still had Hashi last spring. Drs dont like repeating these, so I have to pay this next time.

Have not had a newer UltraSound yet (costly). But my hashi thyroid has been damaged for a long time, I doubt it will just heal back even if the other antibody improves. Slowing down med increase would be nice though.

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   Posted 12/24/2017 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
prolactin 1.26

is this the range? - 2. 6 to 13.1 ug/l

if yes, then you are low, it matters. You GP lacks intelligence.

pituitary cat scan? - yes a pituitary CAT scan for a Pit tumor.

Have you ever read Stopp the thyroid madness site? I recommend it.

"Thyoidians" need to self learn as much as possible.

Everything you Dr does not know is available on the internet as far as thyroid info.

Medical school has 4 hrs on thyroid. Thats all. Drs are not gods, just people.
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astroman
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   Posted 12/25/2017 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
There are prob many rare explanations.

Where did you copy that info from, link? I like to read the whole thing/web page.

You could get that gene tested too.

In the US its common practice to look for tumors on the pituitary whenever prolactin is out of range, thus the CAT scan I mentioned. I dont think ultra sounds go deep enough to get to the Pit yet. Cat can be view in layers of depth like an MRI I think, not sure though.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again w/with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / repairing / fine tuning since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Did I mention Hashimoto sucks?

astroman
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   Posted 12/26/2017 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Both, as a tumor can make it go either direction I think.

Funny how Americans assume Canadian National healthcare is great.............from what I hear, its terrible.

astroman
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   Posted 12/26/2017 10:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Growth Hormone is also controlled by the pituitary, and sometimes it speeds up growth.. The symptoms are obvious though. I know a 55 year old with this issue, he still grows 8-15mm taller or so a year. Was 5ft-8in at 35 years, now over 6-2 at 55. They cant fix it.

Its unfortunate they say he wont live to old age, so he retired and is doing his "bucket list".

"Andrey the Giant"- a 70's - 80's wrestler had this, and past away. Over 7 ft tall I think.
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