How much probiotic is enough?

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Yafit
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   Posted 5/1/2008 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Just found out that Kefir has 10 billion bacteria per serving, VSL#3 has 225 billion bacteria per serving, is more better?

princesa
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   Posted 5/1/2008 6:09 PM (GMT -6)   
For IBD sufferers, yes... you need high doses to be effective because the inflammation, pain, bleeding are an indication of an extreme imbalance. However, you may want to start at a low dose and ramp up gradually to avoid any discomfort or too strong of a die-off.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal.
 
 


nightowl
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   Posted 5/3/2008 10:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Probiotics: just read mine has rice, maltrodexin in it. Take two caps l,000 mg each in a.m. with Pentassa (which i take
four times a day, every four hours). Wondering should I be getting more Probiotics and/or splitting up the caps (day and night), does it need to be taken with food and should I change to cap that has no fillers (I thought these were pretty pure cause got the PRO-B- at Whole Foods, vegetarian kind, and were recommended by gastroenterologist and friend and nutritionist. Just don't know!(don't do kefir or Yogurt or dairy presently) to help rid bacteria and/or inflammation. Any information appreciated. Am trying to eliminate wheat, rice, sugars and am eating under 3 grams fibre presently do to 24cm scarred stricture.

relativelyquantum
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   Posted 5/6/2008 11:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't seen any real consensus on when. It makes sense to me to split them up or just take more of them more often. Also good to supplement these beneficial microbes with prebiotics, their food source--soluible fiber, basically (currently i'm taking a psyllium powder). This will also help them flurish and may turn your 10s of billions into trillions (they multiply rapidly). I often mix mine up in some yogurt or kefir, though taking a supplement an hour before a meal may help.

nightowl, make sure to look for bacterial count (I think it is CFUs). Numbers seem to help and the type of probiotic is the other major factor.
Pancolitis '04
Mild flare
Taking Rowasa, Probiotics, Fish Oil, Folic Acid, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Iron


nightowl
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   Posted 5/7/2008 12:14 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks again for aeveryone"s help> can one take psylliam powder with stricture> am doing no fibre
can do yogurt with aspartmane or sugar or is it defeating purpose ( i hate dairy)
cfu"s what number is a good number and how does one know? does anyone have a favorite pro_biotic
my soluable fibres are like one half cup of rutabegas or butternut squashed cooked to death and mashed usually at lunch and dinner

breakfast (when i do the pro b"s) is usually egg whites> right now off dairy to see if it helps

never have had d and doctor said that biopsies not consistent with bacterial overgrowth or h plyori
but still inflammation so thanks for everyone"s help> i might call folks who i get the other vitamens with and trade in my pro_b_eights for something more pure and hgher cfu"s> thanks

relativelyquantum
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   Posted 5/7/2008 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   

If you have a stricture, I wouldn't recommend psyllium--it adds bulk and can be irritating for some.  I think fiber is best added when you are not in a severe condition, while cooking your food until it is very soft is a good idea.  Smaller amounts for now seem best.  Other sources of soluible fiber are pectin, FOS, inulin, and others that don't come to mind. Yogurt and cultured milk can be a good source of probiotics if you can handle the diary (plus the calcium helps the efficacy), just look for "live and active cultures" and if they list a variety of bacteria, this is the best in my opinion.  I prefer avoiding standard sugar, but honey or a stevia sweetner is best, though it takes some getting use to. I have a hard time recommending any one specific probiotic and have tried many different types, though there is some good research on specific ones (VSL3, culturelle, florastor and others), it seems good to find one that seems like a quality product, take at least 30 billion colony forming units (CFU) a day, and try types with many different strains and/or species.

With a stricture, do you have crohn's or colitis?


Pancolitis '04
Mild flare
Taking Rowasa, Probiotics, Fish Oil, Folic Acid, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Iron


Yafit
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   Posted 5/7/2008 10:01 AM (GMT -6)   
My son started yesterday, for the first time with vsl#3, this morning he said that his stomach feels more "settled", of course it is primature yet.
Also, he took for the last 2 days advantage digestive for uc, he thinks that his b/r trips were cut by a lot.
For the last 2 days he is taking iron, since his energy level needs much improvement.
He is taking (for the last 4 days) the Asacol.

nightowl
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   Posted 5/7/2008 10:23 PM (GMT -6)   
again< thanks for help> went to whole foods and bothered this poor guy there to explain it all to me>
he said that the maltodexin in the pro_b eight is there to feed the guys< but it was my understanding that i had enough down there that the job of the pro_b was not to add more> like you he thought i could take another capsule an hour before i eat and see how that went>

as far as the doctors are telling me< even though i have no symptoms of crohn"s and both colonoscopy results show no cronicity at all< because there is still inflammation and because the mysenteric >>>lymph nodes are enlarged and the sacroilleatic joints or whatever are presenting like someone with crohns (oh yes< the stricture is at the terminal illeum) they figure< just call it crohn:s>

i will try finding this vs pro biotic you both mentioned>

because the doctor wants me to go on immuran< i am (which i cannot believe) going to see a homeopath who is also a doctor (at least she may help me figure out all these vitamens and diet as the doctors and nutritionists keep sending me down the wrong path) ie the guy at the healt food store said that the juices she is recommending is just adding more sugars (acids) etc> and so now i really don"t know what to do? eat< eliminate etc> nightowl flying to nest> so tired not even making sense > but thanks so much for helping
good luck with your son

i got some good yogurts (i do not like dairy) but will eat because i figure it is better than immuran at whole foods after reading the labels and checking with this knowledable young man> he also suggested instead of the juices to get the vitamens i am missing from foods< to try getting a juicer that extracts all of thepulp and using it for vegetables which have the vitamens and not the sugar> so< i thought i could make soup (which is what i feel like drinking anyway) and still get the vitamens if not the antioxidant part of the roughage going down and through your system> meanwhile< i am stopping in at whole foods when tired and just getting chicken soup broth and tonight the broth from some minestrone that they have in vats all hot> it hits the spot and i drink a cup before going home to cook dinner etc> anyway< thanks>
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