Different types of Enemas

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NuffinButtTrouble
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   Posted 6/1/2008 3:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Everyone,
 
I've noticed that some of us are doing different types of enemas and I have a few questions like what type of enema are you doing and what are the positives from it?
 
I am currrently performing a probiotic enema, but I've heard of steroid enemas as well. My other question is about the delivery system...I'm using a hot water bottle, which has a hose attached, etc, is this the same device that you use? Finally, it takes me approximately an hour and a half to do an enema because I perform it twice (1st to remove waste, the 2nd for the implant). How long does an enema take you?
 
Thanks in advance for your kind replies.
 
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Swanson Ultra Caprylic Acid (natural anti-fungal) 600mg x2 daily
Carrot & Garlic supplements (natural anti-fungal) x2 daily
Currently taking herbal meds in the search to regain full health.


Red_34
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   Posted 6/1/2008 5:13 PM (GMT -7)   
I've never used any homemade enemas, just the prescription ones. But they come in small bottles that you shake, insert and squeeze the med out. But there is Rowasa = brand name (or mesalamine = generic) enemas which is basically Asacol in liquid form, Salofalk which is the same as Rowasa - it's just called different then here in the states. Then there are Colocort = brand name or hydrocortisone enemas = generic which are the steroid enemas.

There were a couple members that were doing the vitamin E enemas but I don't know anything about that.
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quincy
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   Posted 6/1/2008 9:46 PM (GMT -7)   
confused   
 
There's LOTS of information on the internet about UC retention enemas and we've discussed them most intimately. 
 
it takes me 5 - 9 seconds to do the Salofalk enema.
 
Maybe you should try the UC med retention enemas.  I don't think doing a clean-out daily is good for the colon...I would think it would cause it to become lazy. 
 
q


*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!

Post Edited (quincy) : 6/2/2008 2:26:29 PM (GMT-6)


NuffinButtTrouble
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   Posted 6/2/2008 8:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Heather,
 
I'm a bit confused by your response...I created the post innocently trying to find out what other enemas people are doing and I mentioned that I also perform enemas, which I do almost daily if possible. The enemas were prescribed by my nutritionist and so far, I have seen good results with it and I'm not suprised...most probiotics that we take oraly, die before they reach the colon but enemas give you 100% effectiveness.
 
Thanks,
 
:-)
NBT
Diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis January 2007
Meds: Remicade, Primal Defense Ultra, Multi-vitamins (also iron, B12, Magnesium and Zinc), Flaxseed/Natures Bounty Fish Oil
Swanson Ultra Caprylic Acid (natural anti-fungal) 600mg x2 daily
Carrot & Garlic supplements (natural anti-fungal) x2 daily
Currently taking herbal meds in the search to regain full health.


quincy
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   Posted 6/2/2008 1:29 PM (GMT -7)   
OK..I've amended my posting.

How do you know how well you're actually doing if you're doing the clean-out daily? Doesn't seem a practice that's healthy and would lead to a very lazy colon once you stop.

quincy
*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!


expecting226
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   Posted 6/2/2008 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   
We are obviously talking about two different types of enemas here (I think)... one that is used to remove waste from the colon and one that is used to insert medication into the colon.

The UC enemas that I and many others use, such as Rowasa, are not intended to remove waste from the colon. They are used to insert medication.

I have to agree with Quincy here. Regular use of a waste-removal enema will cause the colon to become lazy and not function properly on its own... much like regular laxative use. I ran a couple quick searches on Google and Pub Med and found a lot of articles on this. Given that it was suggested by your nutritionist, I would run it by your doctor as well.
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- Asacol (4 pills, 3x per day)
- Rowasa (1 enema daily, as needed)
- Folic Acid (1 mg, 1x per day)
- Calcium (600 mg, 2x per day)
- Multi-Vitamin (1x per day)


NuffinButtTrouble
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   Posted 6/3/2008 9:31 AM (GMT -7)   
expecting226

Thanks for your response, I'm grateful for the responses because now I know there's a difference between what I'm doing and what others are doing in terms of enemas. Actually, I've been instructed to do the enemas three times a week, but you know me...I have a habit of breaking the rules, in any case it's more like four or five times a week and I've been instructed to do this (3 enemas a week) for two months only and no more.

I believe (as does my nutritionist and a few on here), that there's a candida overgrowth problem, which maybe causing many of the symptoms we experience. This overgrowth also helps bacteria to thrive in the colon, so to treat this he's given me acidopholus (sp) to use with the enema to kill candida and bacteria at the source. I believe candida overgrowth is the reason why many of us are so sensitive to sugars, milks, starches in excess, etc. and why, when we remove those food items we often feel better -- but diet only reduces the numbers of candida; it doesn't kill enough of them so probiotics can restore balance in the colon.

My goal is not remission because I'm already there...I want a cure, I'm not saying this alone will do it, but doing it plus the other things I'm doing just might; you never know. There's someone else on the board experimenting with spinach and he really might be onto something; but of course there are those who wanted to knock him for trying something new. I truly don't believe a cure will come about by continuing current treatments/meds, I think it will happen by trying/using something new whatever it turns out to be and hopefully that person will share the info. with the others on the board and elsewhere.

So to clarify, this enema does two things, it helps remove waste the first time you use it, which is with warm water. For the second application you add acidopholus (actually it's bifidu bacteria) to the water, which will reach much deeper into the colon because waste has been removed. This method is far more effective than taking probiotics orally (although I still do that as well) because 100% of the good bacteria makes into the colon where it can begin to work.

Thanks again,

NBT


Diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis January 2007
Meds: Remicade, Primal Defense Ultra, Multi-vitamins (also iron, B12, Magnesium and Zinc), Flaxseed/Natures Bounty Fish Oil
Swanson Ultra Caprylic Acid (natural anti-fungal) 600mg x2 daily
Carrot & Garlic supplements (natural anti-fungal) x2 daily
Currently taking herbal meds in the search to regain full health.

Post Edited (NuffinButtTrouble) : 6/3/2008 12:00:27 PM (GMT-6)


Dr-A
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   Posted 6/3/2008 10:11 AM (GMT -7)   
It's a good practice imo. I got some of the Dr. Ohhiras pro-biotics a couple of weeks ago. I have flushed the lower colon 3 times now, not a complete flush we are talking maybe 180 ml warm water here, then used about 40 ml of the distilled water with 5 of those probiotic caps and a primadophilus reutteri cap. Had diarrhea for over a month now constantly and it's finally starting to clear up. Tried that with some other types of pro-biotics before and never really had much success. The material in these things is different than any of the others though.... dunno.

Waiting on our new baby to be born, then I will dive into the fecal transplant stuff. Maybe not dive, lol, start experimenting to put it better.

I have tried pascalite clay, aloe enemas, colazal enemas lol, ozonated water, vitamin E, probiotic. From experience so far, I think the E and probiotic enemas could replace the steroid eventually for me. Especially once I get this last bought of D and cramping to subside.

I am sure discussing this with my GI doctor would bring a chuckle, but he doesn't have UC either.
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quincy
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   Posted 6/3/2008 10:20 PM (GMT -7)   
NBT....so, you've never actually used any UC retention enemas?

Do you understand our concern about using clean outs and the possible repercussions from it?

quincy
*Heather*Status: mini flare Dec 28... tapered to every 4th night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol (6 daily) + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 3(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed ....zymactive 3 - 5x daily
~Ranitidine,Pariet (reflux) Effexor XR 75mg;  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!

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