Was getting worse and trying Fasting now...

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men8ifr
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   Posted 8/22/2008 4:01 AM (GMT -6)   
I was going into a flare again so am trying a fast again which appeared to work for me last time which was about 1-2 months ago. Last time is was very hard on a water fast so I am trying a juice, coffee and tea fast this time and will consider adding homemade SCD yoghurt (in v.large quantities) after a while.
 
Anyway I will let you know how it is going - I started Tue night and have been having about 1 small bm a day as stuff is still going through my system I figure I need 2 days minimum where my colon is resting i.e. no bm's at least with the juice fast I am not tired.
Ian

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Fish oil 3/day (omega 3 only)
Multivitamin and mineral 1/day
Folic Acid 1/day
Aloe Vera 3/day
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Turmeric 3/day
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mudua
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   Posted 8/22/2008 12:44 PM (GMT -6)   
A muslim guy who works with me who also has colitis swears that there is a huge improvement in his health during the muslim month of fasting.

I am considering doping the muslim fast this year

LondonRed
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   Posted 8/22/2008 1:43 PM (GMT -6)   
That makes sense as it detox's the body and allows the colon to rest for long periods.

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potato
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   Posted 8/22/2008 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
The only thing I wonder about UC and fasting is whether you'll get enough potassium and electrolytes.  The body chemistry can be very tricky.  Be sure to monitor your pulse, how tired you are, etc.
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quincy
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   Posted 8/23/2008 3:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Actually, fasting isn't recommended for UC.
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men8ifr
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   Posted 8/23/2008 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Just an update I've been off solid food since wednesday and am still having about 1 small BM a day I think this is not helping the healing process! having said that there was no blood today so that's good. I don't know why I am still having BM's there must be fibre in the fruit juice or tea/coffee I am drinking or maybe my system is just slowly working the last of the food out??

I have plenty of energy as I'm drinking the fruit jiuce and tea/coffee with glucose, fructose and white sugar I'm also taking multi vits.

Why is fasting not recommended for UC - docs worried about weight / nutrient loss? It would seem odd when the TPN is used successfully in hospital which is identical to fasting in terms of what the gut see's and there allowing the gut to rest and heal seems to work...

I'm working along the same principle that as I'm bleeding my gut cannot heal easily if stools are passing through it... and maybe kill off a few bacteria while I'm there....

I have fasted before - in a slightly different manner and it took me out of a flare hence why I'm trying it again... Last time though I did a water fast for 2 days followed by meat and eggs only but the water fast was hard with tiredness/headaches hence the juice fast this time.

Are there any good fasting websites out there? I would like to know why I am still having BM's and/or what I could eat/drink that will not get through to the large intestine...
Ian

6 Asacol tabs/day
1 Pentasa Suppository / day
Fish oil 3/day (omega 3 only)
Multivitamin and mineral 1/day
Folic Acid 1/day
Aloe Vera 3/day
Specific Carbohydrate Diet SCD
Turmeric 3/day
Currently in no mans land between flare and remission


men8ifr
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   Posted 8/23/2008 10:33 AM (GMT -6)   
What does muslim fasting consist of - can't they eat anything after 6pm or something?
Ian

6 Asacol tabs/day
1 Pentasa Suppository / day
Fish oil 3/day (omega 3 only)
Multivitamin and mineral 1/day
Folic Acid 1/day
Aloe Vera 3/day
Specific Carbohydrate Diet SCD
Turmeric 3/day
Currently in no mans land between flare and remission


mudua
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   Posted 8/24/2008 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
men8ifr said...
What does muslim fasting consist of - can't they eat anything after 6pm or something?

I believe that muslims do not eat or drink anything from about 5am to 8pm during their fast. This is done for 30 successive days.
 
 
 
 

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   Posted 8/24/2008 3:02 PM (GMT -6)   

A liquid fast like you're talking about would send me to the hospital within days. I'm thin and need food to function. Not sure that your theory behind fasting is the best either. By drinking only liquids you're essentially shutting down your gut - yes, this will allow it to heal because it's not having to work. But, by not having it work, when you do start to eat solid foods again it would seem to me that it could only aggravate things all the more.

The worst flare-ups I ever have is after the colon prep for a scope. It takes me a good month to get back to being able to eat even relatively 'normally' again.

Why not resort to the BRAT diet when you're flaring. It provides nutrients, keeps your gut working, but not overworking, and seems a little safer. Or, try a low-residue diet - white and light I like to call it.

It's your call, though, you know your body best. But, for me, just thinking about a liquid diet makes me goosey.  

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   Posted 8/24/2008 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
The difference between a juice, tea and coffee fast and the TPN is that the TPN formula contains all of the nutrients your body needs - carbs, fats, amino acids, etc. Juice does provide some fiber and a lot of sugar, but no fat or protein. Since our bodies weren't developed to run on simple carbs alone, you may begin breaking down healthy muscle tissue to get protein.
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men8ifr
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   Posted 8/26/2008 7:49 AM (GMT -6)   
OK an update - I was having still 1 BM a day so I figure the fruit jiuce and/or milk in the tea/coffee must have some fibre in it even though I was drinking stuff reconstituted from concentrate and the label says 100% of the carbs sugar.... Anyway after 4 days I had some beer (quite a lot actually) which made me worse and I started eating my usual low carb diet after that.

So I'm back where I started really and didn't see the good results the first time I did the water then protien fast.

Back to the drawing board... I can't easily repeat the water fast as it's so difficult it leaves you feeling sooo tired you struggle to function and the protien only makes very hard BM's which undo a lot of the good work you've done. I'm wondering about eating only probiotic yoghurt for a few days to see what happens as honey in that should provide energy OK so I can function and the only thing passing through me will be billions of 'good' bacteria - will 'bad' bacteria still be able to feed off the yoghurt?
Ian

6 Asacol tabs/day
1 Pentasa Suppository / day
Fish oil 3/day (omega 3 only)
Multivitamin and mineral 1/day
Folic Acid 1/day
Aloe Vera 3/day
Specific Carbohydrate Diet SCD
Turmeric 3/day
Currently in no mans land between flare and remission


suebear
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   Posted 8/26/2008 8:06 AM (GMT -6)   
If you were hospitalized for UC you would be put on a liquid diet, but not the liquids (coffee, juice, beer) that you were drinking. The beverages you would get are predigested and packed with calories and nutrients. It can help to give the colon a break but you need to take a break too (stay out of bars!). You can do this at home and use Ensure as your only beverage, well water of course.

Your colon holds up to 72 hours of waste so it's not uncommon that you would still be emptying it several days after your last meal.

Sue
dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998

1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics

2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic

2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free


men8ifr
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   Posted 8/26/2008 8:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes the general idea was to give the colon sufficient rest to heal or at least see an improvement - similar to the hospital liquids only probably short on some nutrients though for one week or less (and taking multi Vits and minerals) I'm not concerned.

I did this for over 100 hours and was still having bm's.... This was a lot different to the water fast where I had no bm's after the first day - hence my thinking something has fibre in it? I was drinking a lot of juice and some tea/coffee to keep my stomach from being empty and provide energy.

What is ensure?

I think I by the time I tried beer I knew it wasn't working (or working very slowly?) so think I had given up.
Ian

6 Asacol tabs/day
1 Pentasa Suppository / day
Fish oil 3/day (omega 3 only)
Multivitamin and mineral 1/day
Folic Acid 1/day
Aloe Vera 3/day
Specific Carbohydrate Diet SCD
Turmeric 3/day
Currently in no mans land between flare and remission


suebear
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   Posted 8/26/2008 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Ensure is a beverage that is typically consumed by the elderly or the chronically infirmed. You probably have something similar to that in your country; it can be purchased at drug stores typically. Another key component to your fasting test is rest. You need to pretty much stay immobile (no work, no running around) to allow real colon rest to occur. Body movement causes motility and for real colon rest you want to cease all motility. Many of the Scandanavian countries provide this type of treatment for UC flares before resorting to stronger (prednisone) medications.

Sue
dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998

1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics

2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic

2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free


burnabygirl
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   Posted 8/26/2008 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree that good rest is very important for the colon to heal. But don't do as I did. I stayed in bed for 3 days doing nothing last February when I was having 10 Ds or more everyday. Got dehydrated and was sent to ER for I.V. When I was asked to go home after 6 hours of I.V. I found my left leg swollen from toes to thigh. I got DVT (blood clots) and was unable to walk. I have been taking Warfarin for 6 months now.
That's a painful experience. Lesson learned: no matter how sick I am, at least walk around the house a couple of times everyday and keep my legs up with a pillow when I lie or sit down.

I have tried a liquid diet to help my colon heal. I drank 3 cans of Ensure everyday and ate congee (rice cooked with meat and lots of water). I didn't eat the meat, only the congee. It helped.
UC since July 2006. Medications: Salofalk enema nightly.
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Pancolitis diagnosed in April 2008. Current medications: Salofalk enema/suppository, Salofalk tablets 500mg x 3/day, Azathioprine 75 mg. Warfarin for my Deep Vein Thrombosis which resulted from diarrheas and dehydration in Feb 2008.
Supplements: Probiotics, Calcium with Vitamin D, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C and psyllium capsule (Metamucil)

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