Acupuncture and Herbal (Oriental) Medicine

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Lucky777
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   Posted 9/5/2008 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
So, I have found out that my insurance covers acupuncture. 24 sessions per calender year.

SO I am going to do it. I think I am at the point to where if someone told me to stand on my head and stick pureed beets in my bum that it would help, I probably would.

I am overly cynical recently and my outlook is fairly poor. So, here's to hoping SOMETHING changes my mind.
Sean - 31

UC Since April 2006, diagnosed 2007 (Flex-Sig)
4 x Liada (2 am 2 pm)
175mg Azathioprine
2 x Imodium
Remicade consult scheduled
1 x 1000mg Fish Oil Cap
Starting some probiotics and SCD-like foods to see if I can make a change.


emory
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   Posted 9/5/2008 5:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Sean, I have had good luck with acupuncture for sleep issues in the past, as well as for morning sickness when pregnant. I just started acupuncture for IBD yesterday; my practitioner says she has good luck with IBD patients. Give it a try, and try to keep your mind open. There must be some reason it's persisted for centuries...
40 years old and female
Dx ulcerative proctitis, 3-5 cm, June 2008 (after 5 weeks of blood and mucous) and still flaring
UNTIL 9/4/08: Canasa 1000 mg suppositories nightly, 25 mg hydrocortisone suppositories in a.m.
CURRENTLY: Proctofoam at bedtime
Effexor 37.5, Clonazepam .5 mg (or more) and Trazodone 50 mg for sleep
2.5 mg methimazole for thyroid
Osteopenia (and I haven't even taken steroids!)


Whyohwhy
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   Posted 9/5/2008 6:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Lucky777, that's good news! Accupuncture is amazing. Not sure if it will help with your condition, but i guarantee you will feel better afterwards. To me It's just as relaxing and stress relieving as a massage. Just make sure to find a good one, it can make all the difference. I wish my insurance covered it, maybe ill have to look into it anyways.
God will take you through hell, just to make it to heaven.


bookworm21
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   Posted 9/5/2008 8:19 PM (GMT -6)   
That's great! And I'm totally jealous--my insurance does not cover acupuncture at all. Let us know how it goes.
Female, Age 19
9 Asacol, Rowasa1000 mg Canasa, Proctofoam, Rifaximin 2/day
Digestive Advantage (Crohn's & Colitis)1 Florastor, 50 mg 6MP,1 Primadophilus reuteri, Remicade (3 infusions), 2.4 g Lialda, 1 Forvia, 6 Colazal/day, 1 Anucort
 


Sara14
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   Posted 9/5/2008 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Lucky777 said...
I think I am at the point to where if someone told me to stand on my head and stick pureed beets in my bum that it would help, I probably would.
Lol!
That's awesome your insurance covers acupunture. I am going to see if mine does. Let us know if you find any relief from it.

Diagnosed with UC March 2007; Asacol 4 tablets 3x/day; Rowasa nightly; Canasa weekly; Viactiv; Metamucil wafers; multivitamin


potato
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   Posted 9/5/2008 10:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I wish I could do this, too.  I did some googling on UC and eastern medicine and there is quite a lot written about it... I just don't understand most of it.  If I could find a good Chinese healer I think I'd go for it. 
 
Good luck and let us know how it works for you.
Potato...  Female, 58, dx mild left sided ulcerative colitis 11/07
asacol 3 3x a day 
cortenema (generic) am & pm Rowasa every other day 
culturelle, benefiber wafers  generic acidophilus, metamucil wafers
children's vitamin, Vitamin E 400 mg
omeprazole 2x a day
oxazepam when needed, lomotil or ImodiumAD (but not in the same day)
 
 
 
 
 
 


Peety
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   Posted 9/7/2008 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
I too am eager to hear how accupuncture works for UC.
I sought out a naturopathic doctor and natural medicine after accupuncture & homeopathy worked for my cat (that's right, my cat had a Hot Gut), but so far we have focused on food sensitivities and probiotics and herbs (all working), as well as B-12. Then we'll see.
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering.
Asacol/5ASA maintenance for 20+ years, usually 3 pills 2x day. 
Currently tapering OFF presnisone from lingering flare;
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Tested gluten intolerant and started gluten-free, soy-free, etc. diet which resolved flare. Also Replete probiotic, DGL (licorice root, slippery elm), Permeability Factors. Slow-release iron and B-12 shots for severe anemia.
 


Lucky777
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   Posted 9/8/2008 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
I am going to day for my first consultation (and perhaps first treatment) in about 2 hours. I will let everyone know how it goes.

And thanks for the feedback.. yes if you haven't 'asked' youed insurance yet, then please do so. It was a shot in the dark for me and not only did the person on the line tell me "Oh ya, it's covered", she then helped me find a specific one in my area that was in fact vetted and by my insurance company (apparently they are just picky about who). SO ask - it can't hurt anything.
Sean - 31

UC Since April 2006, diagnosed 2007 (Flex-Sig)
4 x Liada (2 am 2 pm)
175mg Azathioprine
2 x Imodium
Remicade consult scheduled
1 x 1000mg Fish Oil Cap
Starting some probiotics and SCD-like foods to see if I can make a change.


Lucky777
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   Posted 9/8/2008 7:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok, so first appointment.

Not too bad. THe gal was my age, and very nice and very intelligent. We had great conversation about acupuncture and alternative therapies in general. I took about a 30 minute session of needle-work and was surprised that it really didn't feel like much at all. I only even felt the needles in a few places, and once in I had no issues reaching a very very relaxed state. The recliner was comfy and the lights were dimmed, and some Asian music was playing softly - if nothing else, it was relieving just to had 30 minute to relax and think of nothing. I just can't seem to do that anywhere anymore.

I have no idea if it helped with my UC. I go in for another session on Friday and I'll continue to do them (since at this point I am willing to try anything) for a while. Perhaps the effects of relaxation alone will assist. Perhaps some qi/chi flow will be unlocked and my body will heal itself. At this point, it is worth a shot.
Sean - 31

UC Since April 2006, diagnosed 2007 (Flex-Sig)
4 x Liada (2 am 2 pm)
175mg Azathioprine
2 x Imodium
Remicade consult scheduled
1 x 1000mg Fish Oil Cap
Starting some probiotics and SCD-like foods to see if I can make a change.


julee70
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   Posted 9/8/2008 8:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm glad you had a good first experience. Two quick thoughts:

1) I wonder, though, what you mean by recliner. Some of the major acupuncture points used for IBD are on the back and stomach. I've been to two different acupuncturists and both have the patient lie on a massage table undressed under a cover or sheets so that they can access points on your stomach or back, depending on how you are laying down.

2) Also, I've had some problems with my insurance even when they say they will cover acupuncture. What they really mean is that they will cover acupuncture if you are going for neck or back pain. The insurance companies get very confused when they see acupuncture being used to treat a disease. I have had to submit all kinds of supporting documentation from my GI, etc. It was such a pain in the neck that they probably should have covered it as neck pain! I eventually got 10 visits covered on my last insurance. My current insurance is still trying to figure out if they need yet more info from me. So just a word of caution.

I swear by acupuncture. It really does work. As you feel better, you feel the needles more. It's quite fascinating.
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UC for the last ten years
Current Meds: 6MP since 2006, Cortifoam
Past Meds: You name it; I've tried it. (Asacol, Colazol, Pentasa, DiPentum, Rowasa, Canasa, Cortenema, sulfasalazine)
5ASA drugs don't work for me. Canasa seems to make me worse.
Alternative treatments I have had success with: Acupuncture, Hypnotherapy


Lucky777
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   Posted 9/8/2008 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
This was not a routine GI related acupuncture session. It was simple first-timer relaxation run-through. I dunno what my next session will be like.

SHe is also not a traditional Chinese acupuncturist, but a mixture of Japanese and Chinese acupuncture - if that means anything to you.

But I felt comfortable. The recliner was a very comfy contouring recliner that she had me lay back on. She has a massage room adjacent with a table, which I imagine would be used for the same therapies.
Sean - 31

UC Since April 2006, diagnosed 2007 (Flex-Sig)
4 x Liada (2 am 2 pm)
175mg Azathioprine
2 x Imodium
Remicade consult scheduled
1 x 1000mg Fish Oil Cap
Starting some probiotics and SCD-like foods to see if I can make a change.


kazygirl
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   Posted 9/11/2008 2:54 AM (GMT -6)   
my GI told me to try acupuncture.. i am a bit suss as they all tell you that you need to come back like 100 times before it works. like chiropractors.. just a ploy to get you in forever.

not sure if i want to do it yet or not.
steph - 32 - female - UC since 2000
currently flaring again..  grrr! (triggered by stress - grrr)
mesalazine granules 3g x1 a day (much nicer than a million tablets a day)
enteric coated fish oil -omega 3 (so they get all the way to my colon)
vitamin D3 x1 a day
prednisolone 25mg x1 a day (ick ick and did i say ick?)
tumeric capsules x3 a day
 
 
 


Y2K Bug
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   Posted 9/11/2008 3:29 AM (GMT -6)   
i find the whole acupuncture premise fascinating. from the moment the practitioner feels your pulses and tells you whats wrong to the actual needle insertions.
 
i wouldn't be surprised if acupuncture predates UC. the practitioners i went to seemed to treat the underlying weaknesses in my body rather than the UC symptoms. one of the practitioners was my father in law but unfortunately he lived on the other side of the country so i couldn't get many sessions with him.
 
having said all that, i didn't feel that acupuncture did anything for me. i stuck to it for a long while and had treatments from 3 different people. one trained in china and two trained in australia. one actually did some lecturing here, so was pretty well credentialed. i think like so many UC factors - it will work for some but unfortunately not for me.
 
mad  
Peter
 
49yo single dad 
dx 1985
mesalazine 1.5g, prednisolone 15mg
tried infliximab (remicade), humira, salofalk (5-asa enema), entocort, Azathioprine, steroid emenas, abadacept


LondonRed
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   Posted 9/11/2008 4:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I am not touting anybody but this is the real deal in England with regards to Bee Propolis Research.

http://www.beevitalpropolis.com/

Diagnosis Oct 07 and then Aug 08: Inditerminate Patches of Mild Colitis (including Rectum) - Currently Minor Bleeding
Medication: 1000mg Mesalazine Suppository at night.


LondonRed
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   Posted 9/18/2008 4:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Two days since using Propolis my bleeding seems to have stop. It's God's will and I can't be sure how it has stopped and saying this it may come back with my next BM but a combination of Imodium and Bee Propolis has got rid of the blood. That said it could be that the rectal meds have kicked in too or the Imodium is making my stools more formed and less irritating to my colon and hemmies.

I don't know, I am puzzled but I did start the Bee stuff Tuesday, and by God's grace I haven't bled for a couple of days like I used to although I have seen the odd spec on the tissue.

Diagnosis Oct 07 and then Aug 08: Inditerminate Patches of Mild Colitis (including Rectum) - Currently Minor Bleeding
Medication: 1000mg Mesalazine Suppository at night.

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