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Christine1946
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   Posted Today 12:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Kim...you mentioned that you followed an antifungal diet?  Could you please tell me what you ate?  At this point, I am willing to try anything short of Remicade and I hate to go back on Prednisone.  Been on 6MP for four years and I honestly don't think it does ANYTHING.  Certainly not keeping me out of flares.  Thanks

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   Posted Today 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Christine....the program/diet I followed can be found on www.knowthecause.com, under the FAQ section. Other fungus information on the website as well, if you want to peruse it. Certain foods must be avoided to kill the yeast. Many people try to eat bland food when flaring like bread, potatoes, and rice, which is really feeding the fungus in your body, making your condition worse, if you do have a fungal condition. To be honest with you, I never, ever thought I would get well again, just by changing my diet and taking natural anti-fungals....especially after asking all my doctors about diet being a factor in my illness, and all of them telling me it wouldn't make a difference. It wasn't until I understood the "science" behind fungus, that I eventually decided to try it. I was desperate, and sick and tired of being sick and tired.

If one has taken antibiotics, birth control pills, or steroids in their lifetime, they are at risk of having a fungal condition. It may show up as UC in some...(lucky me), may be responsible for some cancers, diabetes, high cholesterol, arthritis, MS, sarcoidosis, and the list goes on.

You can read here a few findings on fungus, inflammation and UC, if you wish:

http://www.know-the-cause.com/NewsLetterArticles/tabid/69/newsid449/11/Pending---YEAST-AND-INFLAMMATION-/Default.aspx

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17203803

If you want to email me directly with questions, just click my name and the email address will come up. I don't want to take up valuable space here. If you've tried everything else and not gotten better, I say give the fungus theory a hard look. It will only cost you a few weeks of experimentation with real, whole, natural unprocessed foods before you'll know if you are onto something worthwhile.

Best to you.........
Kim

Christine1946
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   Posted Today 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks a million Kim.  Today was a lot better than yesterday.  Still bleeding and some urgency but only three bowel movements (formed).  Yesterday I must have gone 15 times.  I am watching my diet carefully but will look up that website.
 
I was on a lot of antibiotics as a kid.  My family doctor prescribed erythromycin for EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING!!  From an infected fingernail (which had to be lanced and drained) to just a plain old cold.  I did have a lot of sinus infections when in my teens too.  Amazing I didn't get UC until I was 52 yrs old.

beta
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   Posted 9/23/2008 12:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Kim /Christine.
 
I avoid yeast on a reasonably relaxed basis and have done for the past number of years.  I avoid yeast bread and beer and try to keep the sugar content of my diet in check.   I used to have terrible Thrush which just disappeared when I cut the yeast from my diet. 
 
Regarding UC I have Pancolitis and I am on Immuran.  I have one BM per day usually. I believe myself, though obviously not scientifically proven, that the lack of yeast in my diet has helped my general health. 
 
Kim - I have actually just stared the pill (progestogen only) for very very heavy periods - I noted in your post below that you mentioned the pill.  Do you know if it is the mini-pill oly only or both that have the yeast effect?
 
All the best
 
Beta
 
 
Diagnosed 1999 - Pancolitis -Currently in Remission
Imuran 100mg, 500mg Calcium,
 


kops2da
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   Posted 9/23/2008 12:42 PM (GMT -6)   

Sorry, I cannot read all that medical stuff but one question - isn't there a test to see if you have fungus causing our problems?

ElaineNY


68 yr. old granny
New diagnosed with proctosigmoiditis
canasa and proctofoam
colazal
Probiotic Align
Prilosec for GERD
Inderol for hypertension
Xanax,Lipitor, multivitamin, calcium w/D, Tylenol
Rowasa every night for now- trying Lialda starting Friday
 
 
 
 
 
 


kim123
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   Posted 9/23/2008 9:39 PM (GMT -6)   
No test done routinely done in a doctor office to test for fungus. There are hundreds of species, although I personally believe yeast is a huge factor in one's ill-health. There is no better test than to experiment with an anti-fungal program. If fungus is the issue, the results will be dramatic, as long as one truly sticks to the program and gives it time, most often noticeable improvement within a month.

As for the birth control pill, my understanding is that estrogen increases the ability of most yeast to adhere to our tissues. More fungi and yeast in the body equals more mycotoxin production by these fungi and yeast in our intestines and other tissues. Progesterone can have an antifungal effect, and women rarely have yeast infections on these pills. Those on estrogen-progesterone b.c. pills quite commonly have yeast infections.

Mycotoxins are commonly found in cereal grains; one of them, Zearalenone, being highly estrogenic. This can cause hormonal problems including infertility and miscarriages. Corn (and peanuts/peanut products) is universally contaminated with aflatoxin B1, a deadly carcinogenic. So, not only can we expose ourselves to fungus through antibiotics, etc., but by also the foods we eat. Thus, my attempts at reducing grains, sugar and yeast from my diet. It's tough sometimes, but I feel it's worth it if I am able to stay well.

princesa
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   Posted 9/24/2008 9:01 AM (GMT -6)   
There is an extensive questionnaire that will help indicate if some type of yeast overgrowth might be your problem. My doc gave it to me and it's in Dr. Crook's book, The Yeast Connection. There is a simplified version online:
 
 
Lots of other info on that site, too.
 
I'd add that, for most people, diet alone is not sufficient. Diet combined with antifungals, followed by probiotic supplementation is usually necessary to rebalance folks who are to the point they have inflammatory bowel disease.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 


kops2da
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   Posted 9/24/2008 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   

Sorry I don't understand the meaning of a lot of those medical terms.  However, the quiz was interesting.  I have a lot of those symptoms but I am 68 so would expect them - like tired (including my obesity).  Would peanut products include peanut butter - I eat lowfat almost every day for protein.

Thanks for taking time to write about fungus.  Fortunately, I have only have maybe two yeast infections in about 40 years.  I just have the type on the skin in warm/dark areas.  I don't remember ever having a UTI or bladder infection although I have an overactive bladder.

ElaineNY


68 yr. old granny
New diagnosed with proctosigmoiditis
canasa and proctofoam
colazal
Probiotic Align
Prilosec for GERD
Inderol for hypertension
Xanax,Lipitor, multivitamin, calcium w/D, Tylenol
Rowasa every night for now- trying Lialda starting Friday
 
 
 
 
 
 


kim123
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   Posted 9/24/2008 5:57 PM (GMT -6)   
If you are suffering from UC, yeast may be the infection/problem. Yeast infections are not just "women's" yeast infections anymore. And yes, all peanuts and peanut products are at risk of having aflatoxin. Do a search on "aflatoxin peanuts", and see what you come up with. Fungus can also be linked to obesity, high cholesterol, GERD. What does feeding antibiotics/hormones do to cattle..............?, and who eats the cattle............?

By the way, Elaine, Lipitor is a statin drug, and statin drugs were used as antifungal drugs before they became "cholesterol" drugs. That's why they work to get your cholesterol down. They are antifungal. Fungi make tryglycerides, and in turn, sterols...the last 6 letters of cholesterol. If you are wondering if you may have a fungal problem, there seem to be a lot of indicators, looking at your health profile. I'm not a doctor of course, and don't pretend to be one :)

Ditto princesa. I also took natural antifungals when I was on the program, (still take them sometimes for maintenance), and have great results with probiotics.

kops2da
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   Posted 9/24/2008 6:14 PM (GMT -6)   

Having trouble following this reasoning...

By the way, Elaine, Lipitor is a statin drug, and statin drugs were used as antifungal drugs before they became "cholesterol" drugs. That's why they work to get your cholesterol down. They are antifungal. Fungi make tryglycerides, and in turn, sterols...the last 6 letters of cholesterol. If you are wondering if you may have a fungal problem, there seem to be a lot of indicators, looking at your health profile."

You say Lipitor used as an antifungal drug - so wouldn't that be getting rid of my fungus if I have any?  Sorry I just don't understand.  Don't try to explain.  I am too stubborn to try anything extreme that might help anyway as long as the UC does not take over my life.  Right now not ready to give up my sugar or white bread, etc.

ElaineNY


68 yr. old granny
New diagnosed with proctosigmoiditis
canasa and proctofoam
colazal tried rowasa
Probiotic Align
Prilosec for GERD
Inderol for hypertension
Xanax,Lipitor, multivitamin, calcium w/D, Tylenol
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


ucwarrior
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   Posted 9/25/2008 12:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Fungus can be limited in your body by taking antifungals such as: Garlic, P'au D'arco tea, oregano oil, coconut oil, biotin, and probiotics. The first step in reducing candida is to avoid foods that feed it. Avoid refined carbs (table sugar, white bread, etc.) Then go in for the kill with the anti-fungals (all of which can be found at your local health food store) Taking a friendly yeast like saccaromyces boulardii (sp?) crowds out fungus and takes its place when it dies and leaves open spaces in your intestinal lining. Remember to take it about 2 hrs after any anti-fungal or you are just wasting your money. Be careful though, when yeast dies off it releases ALOT of toxins into your body and sometimes makes you feel like garbage for a few days. Hope this helps.

kops2da
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   Posted 9/25/2008 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for caring and trying! Can't see giving up my white bread or sugar anytime soon.
 ElaineNY
68 yr. old granny
New diagnosed with proctosigmoiditis
canasa and proctofoam
colazal tried rowasa
Probiotic Align
Prilosec for GERD
Inderol for hypertension
Xanax,Lipitor, multivitamin, calcium w/D, Tylenol
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


mh53mike
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   Posted 9/25/2008 5:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I found this thread very interesting and full of good info. I also have done research in this area so was rather familiar with it all and gotta say i strongly agree with Kim and ucwarrior.

I believe i am a perfect exapmle of all this, and through my own research I discovered on how to battle potential yeast and bad bacteria over growth. Your GI specialist isnt going to tell you crap about this area really...mine didnt. With this topic its all about how much you want to help yourself because it begins with the diet. See i was ready to give up my beer, white bread, sugars and fatty foods because simply i was at ock bottom with this disease and the meds were not helping me. I started my strict diet August 3rd of this year and started taking heavy doses of probiotics and the results were phenominal. The best way i can explain it is i feel like a was 16 again or something! Not only did my UC symptoms clear up, but i also got alot more energy, even my sinuses cleared up, my skin even feels different like more naturally oily or something! I am going to continue with my diet and probiotics for awhile, but truely i think UC is nothing more than a follow on disease from yeast and bacterial overgrowth of the humna body. Take care of the first problem and maybe bye bye UC. Atleast i hope and will try.
26y old male medically disharged USAF veteran.Diagnosed with UC (lower proctitis) in 2004.
 
Current daily treatment:                               Probiotics & supplements:
1000mg sup asacol                                      50 Billion CFU's acidopholis daily
2400mg oral asacol                                      Digestive enzymes before each meal
25mg prednisone tapering                             5grams of glutamine
75mg azathioprine                                       folic acid & calcuim with V-D
20mg Nexum                                               Whey protien  
 
Diet:Little/no sugars, fats, carbs, caffine. Stay natural as possible.  
 
Results:1 Bowel movement in the morning no blood!


kops2da
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   Posted 9/25/2008 6:13 PM (GMT -6)   

Mike - if it isn't broken - don't fix it.  what works for you is great!  I know that if I was once again 26 (and I was once) and rock bottom I would also try about anything.  The decisions change when you are 40 years older as I am.  But, I have not given up on the traditional treatments yet!  I know too much sugar is not good for any of us and fats also.  Been fighting my weight ALL my life!!  I have recently lost 11 lbs. and feel better just for that much - only about 70 to go.

Good luck and hope you continue to feel wonderful!!

ElaineNY


68 yr. old granny
New diagnosed with proctosigmoiditis
canasa and proctofoam
colazal tried rowasa
Probiotic Align
Prilosec for GERD
Inderol for hypertension
Xanax,Lipitor, multivitamin, calcium w/D, Tylenol
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


toriblue
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   Posted 9/25/2008 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Kim - Thanks for the website and fungal info i am starting the diet tomorrow. I too am sick and tired of being sick and tired.
lc

kim123
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   Posted 9/25/2008 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
toriblue- I am excited for you. I truly hope this is the answer for you. Let me know how you make out, or you can email me directly (click my name) if you want suggestions, or just want some encouragement. Don't forget, you will probably feel much worse for awhile before you notice improvement. But, not necessarily so, either. Give it time. Really stick to the diet. You cannot cheat, not even a mouthful. Are you taking natural anti-fungals, as well? I found they helped speed the healing process. I took olive leaf extract for a month, then rotated with caprylic acid. Happy and positive thoughts going your way :) .............................

bbc
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   Posted 9/25/2008 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
So Kim...on a scale of 1-10 how would you rate your health after the diet vs just before you started it and how long have you been on it?

THanks
Moderate Pancolitis
Dx'd 05/2007
8 Pentasa per day (4X2)
Corti Foam p.m.
Probiotics, Bowel Soother, Fish Oil, Calcium, Multi Vitamin and Melatonin
Trying to reduce sugar in my diet but cannot tolerate artificial sweetners
I excersice daily
Did I happen to mention I HATE this disease!!!


WishfulMA
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   Posted 9/25/2008 9:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Mh53Mike......what type of probiotics are you taking?
ulcerative proctitis - march 05 diagnosed
current status - trying to see what works!
hospitalized - 3/08 for 6 days of IV steriods
colazal - 9 pills  asacol - 12 pills, canasa 2x per day, nightly hydrocortizone enemas
VSL#3
fish oil, flaxseed oil, calcium w/ vitamin d 2x a day, prenatal vitamin plus extra vitamin c and b12 complex
ACCUPUNCTURE
 


mh53mike
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   Posted 9/25/2008 10:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Currently taking GNC's Super Acidopholis and Bifidobacterium. Both have 10 billion CFUs at time of manufacture, must be refigerated after opening. I take 4-5 pills of both daily, so thats 40-50 billion CFU's daily of each bacteria. I also take GNC's Super digestive enzymes before each meal.

I just ordered some yeast battling enzymes today , gonna try them out too. I have been on a major natural detox kick lately seems to be working wonders.
26y old male medically disharged USAF veteran.Diagnosed with UC (lower proctitis) in 2004.
 
Current daily treatment:                               Probiotics & supplements:
1000mg sup asacol                                      50 Billion CFU's acidopholis&Bifidobacterium daily
2400mg oral asacol                                      Digestive enzymes before each meal
25mg prednisone tapering                             5grams of glutamine
75mg azathioprine                                       folic acid & calcuim with V-D
20mg Nexum                                               Whey protien  
 
Diet:Little/no sugars, fats, carbs, caffine. Stay natural as possible.  
 
Results:1 Bowel movement in the morning no blood!


mh53mike
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   Posted 9/25/2008 10:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I am also gonna try some oregano oil too. Heard its really good at fighting yeast off.
26y old male medically disharged USAF veteran.Diagnosed with UC (lower proctitis) in 2004.
 
Current daily treatment:                               Probiotics & supplements:
1000mg sup asacol                                      50 Billion CFU's acidopholis&Bifidobacterium daily
2400mg oral asacol                                      Digestive enzymes before each meal
25mg prednisone tapering                             5grams of glutamine
75mg azathioprine                                       folic acid & calcuim with V-D
20mg Nexum                                               Whey protien  
 
Diet:Little/no sugars, fats, carbs, caffine. Stay natural as possible.  
 
Results:1 Bowel movement in the morning no blood!


bbc
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   Posted 9/25/2008 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Watch out for the whey protien as it's dairy based I believe...glad to hear the diet probiotics are working for you...I think dugar and artificial sweetners are bad news period. I am trying to cut back on sugar and carbs but I need to keep some weight on too.
Moderate Pancolitis
Dx'd 05/2007
8 Pentasa per day (4X2)
Corti Foam p.m.
Probiotics, Bowel Soother, Fish Oil, Calcium, Multi Vitamin and Melatonin
Trying to reduce sugar in my diet but cannot tolerate artificial sweetners
I excersice daily
Did I happen to mention I HATE this disease!!!


AshNH
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   Posted 9/26/2008 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
I think all of our bodies and diseases are different and what might work for one might not work for everyone. However, I agree with Kim. She had helped me with my anti-fungal diet and it drastically improved my symptoms. Since then I am learning that my problem is more related to yeast overgrowth than fungus.(still learning) My western doctor wanted me to go on Remicade before I started anti-fungal diet. He had never heard of Olive Leaf Extract or Caprylic Acid, etc. I have flare-ups here and there but they are manageable and are related to intake of too much sugar, beer, certain wines or cheeses. Thanks, Kim.
Ash 39 NH, vegetarian

Meds: Asacol 12/day
Coconut Water, Rowasa(as needed)


princesa
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   Posted 9/26/2008 9:04 AM (GMT -6)   
bbc said...
Watch out for the whey protien as it's dairy based I believe...

Your best bet is a whey protein ISOLATE. If that still bothers you, try an egg white protein.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 


kim123
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   Posted 9/26/2008 5:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey, Ash...nice to hear from you again. Glad to hear you are still well. From my understanding, yeast IS fungus. I agree that foods may affect certain people more than others. I guess it depends on how strong our immune system is. If it is weakened, goes into overload, and can't fight the irritants/allergies (fungus or otherwise) anymore, it manifests symptoms of disease, with varying degrees of symptoms.

bbc- On a scale of 1-10 after I went on the diet, I would have to say that at about the 2 week mark of being on the program, I felt 10+++, (whereas before the diet, I felt below 0). I had TONS more energy, I felt I could do anything and go anywhere, whereas before, I was chained to the bed or couch, especially before and after a BM. I couldn't do anything with my family. My husband was always the one to go out and do fun activities with our 2 daughters. I was a new women. That was during Winter 2002. In summer 2006, I threw caution to the wind, started eating anything I wanted (being on teacher's summer vacation and all!), drinking wine more often, eating a whole lot of processed foods with yeast, even bread which I knew was BAD for me, so I had a relapse. Bad girl! My doctor told me I would need to be on drugs for a long time. He told me my insides looked like ground hamburg. So, guess what I did...I went back on the diet, and within a week, all symptoms disappeared, again. I am now still symptom-free/drug free as of 2006. That's how I know that for me, my UC was fungus related. Cause/effect.

I learned my lesson. I know that for the rest of my life, I will need to monitor what goes into my mouth. No problem. It sure beats the heck out of all the pain and suffering I endured with my UC symptoms. I now eat to live, not live to eat. I don't even like bread anymore. Your tastes change after you get rid of the toxins and fungus in your body because it is the fungus that is making you crave those foods. Craving sugar, bread, pasta can be a sure indicator of a fungal problem. It is parasitic.

No one can talk you into trying something that you aren't prepared or willing to do, and you shouldn't feel bad about it. There may come a day, however, that like me, you are just so sick and tired of being sick and tired, that you are willing to try anything, even when it seems foolish or useless to consider. My doctors had always told me I would be wasting my time changing my diet. I believe it's because they aren't educated in the field of mycology (fungus), so they just don't know. They learn in medical school which drugs help with the effects of particular symptoms/illnesses. They usually don't spend time trying to find the cause.

bbc
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   Posted 9/26/2008 6:08 PM (GMT -6)   
princesa said...
bbc said...
Watch out for the whey protien as it's dairy based I believe...

Your best bet is a whey protein ISOLATE. If that still bothers you, try an egg white protein.

Please explain the diff...thanks

Moderate Pancolitis
Dx'd 05/2007
8 Pentasa per day (4X2)
Corti Foam p.m.
Probiotics, Bowel Soother, Fish Oil, Calcium, Multi Vitamin and Melatonin
Trying to reduce sugar in my diet but cannot tolerate artificial sweetners
I excersice daily
Did I happen to mention I HATE this disease!!!

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