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ucwarrior
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   Posted 9/27/2008 1:01 AM (GMT -6)   
 
  If anyone has read any of my posts here they know I think alot. Here is a bit of interesting info I sent to a friend a while back and has been a topic of casual discussion within my circle for a few weeks. I read a post earlier that made me think this may be of some use to some people here with open minds and the willingness to think outside the box. This is a look into some of my many hours of thinking and reading. This info is not intended to treat or diagnose any disease, a skilled professional should always be consulted before trying anything read here.This info is an educated opinion and is to be taken as such. The post is lengthy but worth it to intellectuals interested in the advancement of UC. With that said, here it is:   
 
  Candida infection- The bacterial imbalance yeast overgrowth can create, as well as the damage done by the yeast itself. I believe it is responsible for occasional UC flares and some irritable bowel syndromes.  This yeast is a very opportunistic organism that thrives on poor food choices and antibiotic therapies.  
    
  I don't believe diet alone can cause UC flares but I think it can be a factor. The combo of high stress combined with the bad diet that usually follows "guilty pleasure" foods in addition to genetic predisposition can cause flares.  Remember--you harbor stress in your guts.  Thats why when you get nervous for an activity often a trip to the restroom is in order.  I usually go running for sugar and junk foods when I get stressed and the candida just loves it when I give in. I can feel it within hours. 
  
  Candida transforms from bud stage (dormant) to active (thread-like) stage when given high doses of refined carbs for food. The organism's threads invade the lining of the gut wall and often lets all kinds of bad stuff into the blood stream (leaky gut).  The liver freaks out and starts overworking-- sending these toxins into the excretion channels: urine, sweat, and colon.  These toxins are extremely irritating and causes bad acne, urinary tract infections, and yes, you guessed it-- inflammation of the colon.  Now the immune system kicks in and starts attacking everything it determines to be detrimental to the survival of the body, even the body itself. 
 
  The antibodies released against these toxins mess with these organs and can cause flare ups in autoimmune diseases, lupus, arthritis, thyroiditis and a few others I think of off the top of my head.  IgA, which is produced in the gut wall, is disrupted due to this inflammation and is a critical defense against the yeast and bad bacteria populating the intestines.  So now candida has successfully neutralized your body's defenses against it and now continues its growth at full unchecked rate with his buddies, namely, foul gas and big "D" producing putrefactive bacteria. 
 
  That's why I think candida is such an adversary, it systematically cripples you to fight it. When its time to kill it one needs to replace the space it occupied in your gut when it dies so you don't get an infection from some of the baddies like E.Coli and salmonella left over (which are usually dormant and in small amounts in healthy people).  When it starts dying, you feel really bad (die off).  The demise of candida causes like over 150 toxins to be released. The body's last resort to fight candida is yes you guessed it, diarrhea to flush it out--sometimes bloody as the inflammation goes to work on your injured gut walls.      
   
  Anti-candida attack:  Starve it.  No refined starches [sugars] or refined carbs for like a week.  As soon as the flare starts, anti-fungals are in order.  I do this naturally. What nature gives you I believe she can cure you too. Here's a list of yeast destroyers I have used in the past:    Coconut oil, Pau D'arco tea, Biotin- prevents yeast buds from threading, LOTS of garlic, oregano oil, black walnut, grapefruit seed extract, that's all I can think of.  I read about these when i was like 21 or something and started using them all during flares to aid in remission.  Mix them up to keep yeast confused too.  I usually keep them all together in a special sack as my kit.  I also combine them together for some synergy like garlic with the oregano leaf on fish, grapefruit seed in the pau Darco tea, Biotin pill with a shot of coconut oil. 
 
  Make these items a permanent addition to your arsenal and don't let them run out!  I take Bifidus (30 billion) and L acidophilus (19 Bil) and L. Reuteri (5 bil)with some FOS powder and some metamucil (to feed them) two hours after my antifungal mixes.  Highly digestible meals and probiotics are key.  Bifidus is the big daddy of the colon and so are the lactic acid producers like L. Reuteri, B. Longum that actively combat bad bacteria. There is a ratio of 30:19 Bifidus to Acidoph. (that is ideal for successful probiotic supplementation I think)  Also take Saccaromyces Boulardii (sp?) a very beneficial yeast that helps starve and takes the place of the empty spot candida left bare as it dies and sluffs off into the feces.  

jujub
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   Posted 9/27/2008 1:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Keep the yeast "confused?" Now you've got me confused.
Judy - Southern US 
 
Moderate to severe left-sided UC (21 cm) diagnosed 2001.
Avascular necrosis in both shoulders is my "forever" gift from Entocort.
Colazal,  Remicade, Nature's Way Primadophilus Reuteri. In remission since April, 2006.
 
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ucwarrior
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   Posted 9/27/2008 2:55 AM (GMT -6)   
"confusing" the yeast deters it from becoming resistant to the selected anti-fungal treatment being used by incorporating different pathways of eradication...

Let's say, par example, one were to use solely oregano oil (and only oregano oil) as the anti-fungal of choice, immediate effects may be observed at the beginning of treatment. However, some yeast in the population will harbor or develop a natural resistance to oregano oil (due to genetic diversity), and while others-- who harbor no such immunity proceed to die off-- the resistant ones are allowed to proliferate despite the presence of oregano oil.

After a period of time the left-over yeast population (that is oregano oil resistant) begins to increase biomass and causes a new infection. The host decides to use oregano oil again for treatment because it worked last time--but to no avail. The yeast is now resistant to the treatment and continues to thrive.

If one were to add coconut oil to the oregano oil, the caprylic acid in the coconut oil will act synergistically through a different physiologic pathway than the oregano on the left over (oregano resistant) yeast and wack them too. I could get into molecular levels here but this should suffice... Now the survivors have to be oregano as well coconut oil resistant. This is a smaller percentage of the population. You have now reduced the population so low that the body can usually mop up. I don't think the population would ever completely disappear but the technique is to reduce the population so drastically the infection is held in check.

A good analogy of this are the antibiotic resistant superbacteria out there. Many people who harbor infections and are prescribed antibiotics often don't finish the full dosage because they feel better. This breeds resistant bacteria and is documented in many medical journals.

Some survivors of major epidemics in history have offspring that are now resistant to the plague the parents survived. Say that plague resurfaces again. It will not have the same impact as it previously did due to the resistance of the current population, and goes back into dormancy. However, if a different plague strikes at the same time--less of the population will survive to repopulate. Same premise just different organisms. It all comes down to genetic diversity.

I hope this cleared up some of the confusion.

WishfulMA
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   Posted 9/27/2008 5:14 AM (GMT -6)   
As a female...I am wondering can you have an overgrowth of yeast and not have a yeast infection? I just went for a culture because i was irrirated down there and they said I had min. yeast but a lot of good bacteria. I am thinking thats because of my VSL#3.

UCWarrior - does that have the type of ratios you mention? And can you specifically list the brands of probiotics you are taking. I am was thinking of switching/ I actually bought the Garden of Life Primal Defense Ultra.
ulcerative proctitis - march 05 diagnosed
current status - trying to see what works!
hospitalized - 3/08 for 6 days of IV steriods
colazal - 9 pills  asacol - 12 pills, canasa 2x per day, nightly hydrocortizone enemas
VSL#3
fish oil, flaxseed oil, calcium w/ vitamin d 2x a day, prenatal vitamin plus extra vitamin c and b12 complex
ACCUPUNCTURE
 


AshNH
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   Posted 9/27/2008 9:25 AM (GMT -6)   
This is one of the best descriptive explanation I have read about Candida. Thank you for taking the time to write it and for your explanation.

Olive Leaf Extract is another good anti-fungal supplement.
Ash 39 NH, vegetarian

Meds: Asacol 12/day
L-glutamine, probiotics, Coconut Water, Rowasa(as needed)

Post Edited (AshNH) : 9/27/2008 8:28:11 AM (GMT-6)


Peety
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   Posted 9/27/2008 6:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Since I went into total remission for the first time in years -- through avoiding gluten and starting good probiotics, I think the gluten gets the credit -- I have had a tremendous sweet tooth, like never before in my life. Why?
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering.
Asacol/5ASA maintenance for 20+ years, usually 3 pills 2x day. 
Currently tapering OFF prednisone from lingering flare;
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Tested gluten intolerant and started gluten-free, soy-free, dairy-free (other sensitivities) etc. diet which resolved flare. Also Replete probiotic. Slow-release iron and B-12 shots for anemia.
 


NuffinButtTrouble
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   Posted 9/27/2008 9:53 PM (GMT -6)   
 
please forgive me, but I only read a small part of your post...lol
 
but I also believe there's a connection with candida, in fact in my case it's a fact not a guess. However, starving it most likely won't be enough; you'd probably need to take anti-fungals as well and even then, I don't think it will be enough for those of us with uc.
 
I believe candida causes more damage to our bodies than thought previously, it possibly causes changes to the endocrine system and our hormones and I say, "possibly" because it's almost impossible to prove. However, there is a connection between hormone imbalance and candida overgrowth and it maybe this imbalance that makes it so hard to repopulate our colons with good bacteria and so hard to kill bad bacteria. My recent hormone tests came back showing low levels of hormones, which could also happen with age (some call me a toothless lion - though I still have teeth, lol).
 
Addressing candida overgrowth with diet and anti-fungals has definately yielded the best results to date in combating uc, but exercise also helps as well and now taking herbal supplements to stilmulate the production of hormones is helping as well. For the first time in seven years, I find myself waking up at 6:30am without major fatigue...but there's still a long way to go.
 
Another thing I've discovered is that once you've gotten the levels of candida down to low levels, you can eat "trouble-foods" (in moderation), without suffering the symptoms of uc...but it shouldn't be done often otherwise yeast levels will increase to what it was before.
 
Finally, I would encourage taking a urine test to be sure if you have candida overgrowth or not; the test looks for waste produced by candida.
 

wink

NBT


Diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis January 2007
Meds: Mesaamaline (sp) Retention Enemas, herbal meds in the search to regain full health.

Post Edited (NuffinButtTrouble) : 9/27/2008 8:57:21 PM (GMT-6)


ucwarrior
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   Posted 9/27/2008 11:46 PM (GMT -6)   
WishfulMA- I would imagine it would be difficult to harbor high populations of parasitic yeast in one's system regardless of location w/o showing some form of symptoms. Remember yeast is always present even in the healthiest of people, just to diff degrees of activity and dormancy.

The probiotics I take are Ultimate Flora by renew life (50 bil) and the others are all Nature's Way. I put them all in the fridge and take them religiously. The saccharomyces boulardii is by Jarrow. I take this everytime I can when I eat a refined carb that I feel is too much for my body to digest and may enter my intestines to feed the bad guys. The S. Boulardii has a chance to snack on the carbs before it even gets to my GI tract and when it reaches there its like a lynch mob o' good yeast that chokes candida food supply out. Hope this helps.

NBT- lol! I was wondering if you would recognize this little tidbit from my journals! You are a true testament to what this post is really all about. Good work in recognizing the connection btwn candida and UC and your efforts to impact it. Kudos to you my friend!

mh53mike
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   Posted 9/28/2008 1:02 AM (GMT -6)   

Good post ucwarrior, pretty much the same stuff i read up on Candida on the net. Funny you say what you say because recently through my own study and learning i have to strongly agree with you on everything.  I truely think it can be cured through diet and repopulating the gut with good bacteria, call me crazy oh well i DO think outside the box! I am not ready to lie on my back and let it beat me!  I was way healthy before this and can think of perfect examples that may have onset UC ie antibiotics for over 6 months!

Anyways recently i ordered YeastZymeMax and YeastMax two supplements to help battle Candida along with my diet changes i implemented over 2 months ago. I cant wait for them to get here to aid me in my mission to rid this disease. I have been doing great with diet and probiotics so far but like mentioned yeast and bad bacteria sure can be a pain in the butt to get rid of! no pun intended!

I ordered the SCD book just to refine my diet. This is all a process I plan devoting the next year or so of my life to. Its gonna be hard but hopefully worth it!  


26y old male medically disharged USAF veteran.Diagnosed with UC (lower proctitis) in 2004.
 
Current daily treatment:                               Probiotics & supplements:
1000mg sup asacol                                      50 Billion CFU's acidopholis&Bifidobacterium daily
2400mg oral asacol                                      Digestive enzymes before each meal
25mg prednisone tapering                             5grams of glutamine
75mg azathioprine                                       folic acid & calcuim with V-D
20mg Nexum                                               Whey protien  
 
Diet:Little/no sugars, fats, carbs, caffine,sugars,yeast. Stay natural as possible.  
 
Results:1 Bowel movement in the morning no blood! Remission


Sunshineonmyface~
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   Posted 10/1/2008 1:16 PM (GMT -6)   
WishfulMa had a good question, does anyone know the answer to it? My naturopath wants to treat me for this also, but I have never had a yeast infection before.

princesa
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   Posted 10/1/2008 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, it's very possible to have a Candida overgrowth that manifests in other places besides the two obvious ones most people are familiar with: vaginal yeast infection for women and thrush in the mouth for babies. Candida is opportunistic and will overgrow at the weakest point. For those of us with digestive illness, it's the digestive tract.

For anyone who wants to learn more about candida, I highly recommend the book Candida-Related Complex: What Your Doctor Might Be Missing. This is an eye-opening, comprehensive book.

http://www.amazon.com/Candida-Related-Complex-Doctor-Might-Missing/dp/0878339353/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222885319&sr=8-1


Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 


kim123
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   Posted 10/1/2008 8:35 PM (GMT -6)   
As everyone who knows me knows, I've been singing this song for 2 years now. An anti-fungal program is the ONLY thing that helped me get well again. Not only did it clear up my UC symptoms, but gave me more energy and restored my joie-de-vivre. Fungus is a serious threat to our health.

mh53mike
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   Posted 10/1/2008 9:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I started a candida two part cleanse yesterday, the liguid stuff i have to take is brutal! Luckly its a small amount 20 drops 2x a day.
26y old male medically disharged USAF veteran.Diagnosed with UC (lower proctitis) in 2004.
 
Current daily treatment:                               Probiotics & supplements:
1000mg sup asacol                                      50 Billion CFU's acidopholis&Bifidobacterium daily
2400mg oral asacol                                      Digestive enzymes before each meal
20mg prednisone tapering                             5grams of glutamine
75mg azathioprine                                       folic acid & calcuim with V-D
20mg Nexum                                               Whey protien  
 
Diet:Little/no sugars, fats, carbs, caffine,sugars,yeast. Stay natural as possible.  
 
Results:1 Bowel movement in the morning no blood! Remission


Hans C
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   Posted 10/1/2008 11:53 PM (GMT -6)   
UCWarrior and whoever - is it possible to identify a candida infection without a test? Are there any symptoms specific to it and different to a normal bout of UC?
age 26  ------------- diagnosed 2004 (probable left sided)

Multi-vitamin                                       Lactobacillus acidophillus sachets
Aloe vera - Omega3 fish oil                    Asacol (8x400mg)                     
Iron, folic acid and b12 supplement__________________________________________________ 


ucwarrior
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   Posted 10/2/2008 4:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Yeast infections are often difficult to diagnose without a test as symptoms can mimic other allergies/ailments and can range in severity. Tests can tell about what is going on if something is suspect. Prevention is much easier than treatment, its easier to stay in remission longer that way.

Yeast is usually opportunistic. It attacks immune-compromised people (like UC patients), those who have taken antibiotics for infections, birth control pill, and high sugar diets. Most symptoms of yeast infection are allergy-like symptoms that usually described as burning or itching of the infection site, headaches, congestion in sinus, muscle and joint aches. Alcohol is also a byproduct of yeast and overgrowth can cause grogginess and cloudy thought patterns as levels increase.

Probiotic
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   Posted 10/2/2008 8:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Does anyone have recommendations on reliable testing for gut candida? I have bene on pred on and off for years yet in some fairly advanced stool analysis from Metametrix and Great Plains I have tested negative for candida (but in a test of dozens of parameters not just candida)- not that it can't be a false negative. Just wondering if there are any highly reliable tests out there.
Pancolitis 20 years ago, full med-free remission 10 years,
Flaring or simmering on and off ever since
10 20 17.5 15 12.5 10 mg 8 7.5 20 mg pred, 100 mg Imuran
Probiotics (Primal Defense and others), TSO, hookworm
Turmeric/circumin, boswellia, fish oil, many vits/minerals
Lower-carb version of Specific Carb Diet (SCD)
 
 
 


princesa
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   Posted 10/2/2008 9:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Hans C said...
UCWarrior and whoever - is it possible to identify a candida infection without a test? Are there any symptoms specific to it and different to a normal bout of UC?

My doc gave me an extensive quiz that came from Dr. Crook's book, The Yeast Connection. There's an abbreviated version online:
 
 
From what I understand, it's difficult to test for. If you take the quiz and your score indicates candida might be a problem, it's easier just to begin treatment and diet and see if you respond.
 
Here's a link to a site that offers links to multiple Web sites on candida:
 
http://www.candidapage.com/
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 


Hans C
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   Posted 10/2/2008 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks guys
age 26  ------------- diagnosed 2004 (probable left sided)

Multi-vitamin                                       Lactobacillus acidophillus sachets
Aloe vera - Omega3 fish oil                    Asacol (8x400mg)                     
Iron, folic acid and b12 supplement__________________________________________________ 

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