Life Without Bread or SCD Diet....more questions

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Artzichic882
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   Posted 10/11/2008 10:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been reading a lot about these diets and am thinking about incorporating them into my treatment along with the maintenance drugs. However, I am still a little confused and have a few questions that I was wondering if someone could answer. I am leaning a little more towards the Life Without Bread so I can still have a little carbs, but that is just my thought now.

1) I believe my triggers is fiber as I became award of my Crohn's disease when I was on a high-fiber diet and mainly stick to a low residue diet, however that has pretty much stopped working for me. Did other people think fiber was their trigger, and then once on the diet realize it was the dairy, sugar, carbs, etc instead?

2) I am a little scared to go on a diet that encourages eating vegetables and fruit when vegetables have been a problem for me. Do most people puree or cook the vegetable?

3) I am sure this is not a big factor, but my husband is severely allergic to nuts and so we can not have any nuts in the house, will this hinder my success on the diet if I can not eat nuts? In the past I have also not been able to eat very many nuts.

4) Have others found that once they get through the "cleansing" of the gut that they are then more torable of the high fiber foods they used to not be able to eat?

Thank you for your help!
Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease at ileum 2.5 years ago.
Currently on: Prednisone & Pentasa


Gigi1227
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   Posted 10/12/2008 4:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know how much help I will be, but I'll give you my thoughts on what I can.

1) Dairy and sugar are definite no, no's for me. When I was diagnosised w/ UC 8/25/08 I was told to eat a bland diet. White bread, white meat only, if you can't see thru it you can't eat it, veggies steamed to mush, no salads or red meat, no dairy or sugar. Funny how different doctors are. I do eat a metamucil fiber wafer at breakfast or mid morning snack.

2) Cook your veggies til they are very soft. Keep a journal - add one veggie at a time and see how you do with that particular veggie.

3) I haven't studied this diet, so I am not knowledgable about the importance of the nuts. W/ my UC my doctor told me strictly no nuts, seeds or popcorn ever. Do cheat on that one a bit in that I love homegrown tomatoes! I did de-seed them though.

4) I don't do the cleansing, tried it once, but it made me flare worse.

Hope I have been of some help anyway.

Gigi1227
Diagnosised 8/25/08 GRRR
Started flare mid-May/feeling better but still flaring
 
Canasa
Asacol
Multi Enzyme
Mega Probiotic
Psyllium
Fiber Wafer
Nictotine Patch
Fish Oil Pill
Multi Vitamin
 
 


Probiotic
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   Posted 10/12/2008 4:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Though in 8 years it never gave me a lasting true remission, a lower carb version of the SCD did help me for quite some time, and if I go back to a higher carb diet or even the fuller version if it, my symptoms get worse. I could/can not tolerate the so-called "legal" nuts and nut flour on the diet, and certainly not honey, fruit, or higher carb veggies such as onions or orange squash. I generally tolerate salads well (except for when in flares) but do need my veggies cooked soft.  There is no special therapeutic value attributed to the items in the diet that I can't tolerate.  The homemade yogurt contains lots of probiotics, which are therapeutic, but not everyone can tolerate the dairy even though it is basically lactose free.  In my case I can tolerate it in moderation.


Pancolitis 20 years ago, full med-free remission 10 years,
Flaring or simmering on and off ever since
10 20 17.5 15 12.5 10 mg 8 7.5 20 mg pred, 100 mg Imuran
Probiotics (Primal Defense and others), TSO, hookworm
Turmeric/circumin, boswellia, fish oil, many vits/minerals
Lower-carb version of Specific Carb Diet (SCD)
 
 
 

Post Edited (Probiotic) : 10/12/2008 4:01:55 AM (GMT-6)


bulldozer
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   Posted 10/12/2008 5:37 AM (GMT -6)   
hello there,
After 13 years in remission I showed symptoms again in Mid- June but have now been in remission for 5 weeks ! Took asacol ( 6/ day) and predfoam ( 2/1/ day ) Now on 4 asacol/day ONLY
I am on a lactose free diet ( for 30 years ).
Whilst in flare I gave up wheat products ( supermarkets stock " free from" products ) Ate also oatcakes and ryvita.
I avoided insoluble fibre foods and increased my intake of less harsh vegetables -- also made soups that were pureed -- avoid fruit and veg. where the seeds are consumed , also avoid cabbage, brussels, broccoli -- peel other fruit/ veg. I increased the type of tinned beans /peas and pulses ( these can also be used in soups ). for green veg I ate beetroot tops and spinach ( being less harsh ).
Absolutely no nuts whilst in flare -- at least for me. Avoid red meat -- take chicken, fish etc.BUT a high protein diet.
Took probiotic soya , omega 3 tablets, multi vit/ mineral tablet, manuka honey.
Porridge with the probiotic and dried cranberries for breakfast -- typical lunch of egg and bacon with ryvita/wheat free roll -- dinner fried basmati rice( not whole rice ) with egg/ cooked chicken/ prawns/ peas.
Now in remission have gone back to normal diet -- still lactose free and not too much wheat products ( these I introduced slowly )
However we are all individuals and what might suit me may not suit you -- I am afraid it is very much trial and error -- keep a food/ symptom diary and see how you go on. If I can assist let me know.

LondonRed
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   Posted 10/12/2008 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
It's fact that no food cause UC in my opinion but some can makes things worse while you are in a flare - e.g. increase D or urgency - not because of UC but because your body doesn't like those foods....

Diagnosis Oct 07 and then Aug 08: Inditerminate Colitis - Minor Bleeding
Medication: 1000mg Asacol Enema, 800mg Asacol Tablets x 2 a day, Digestive Advantage


bulldozer
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Total Posts : 37
   Posted 10/12/2008 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Dear London Red,
Yes you are right -- it seems that whilst in flare we cannot tolerate some foodstuffs during that time. This is why I revert to a normal diet in remission -- apart from being lactose free -- as I cannot tolerate this -- gives me D normally and in flare makes bleeding much worse.
The disease is not caused by food but is aggravated by certain foods -- I think. During ulceration I guess it is like an open sore and requires gentle care.

princesa
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   Posted 10/13/2008 12:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Artzichic882 said...
I have been reading a lot about these diets and am thinking about incorporating them into my treatment along with the maintenance drugs. However, I am still a little confused and have a few questions that I was wondering if someone could answer. I am leaning a little more towards the Life Without Bread so I can still have a little carbs, but that is just my thought now.

1) I believe my triggers is fiber as I became award of my Crohn's disease when I was on a high-fiber diet and mainly stick to a low residue diet, however that has pretty much stopped working for me. Did other people think fiber was their trigger, and then once on the diet realize it was the dairy, sugar, carbs, etc instead?

2) I am a little scared to go on a diet that encourages eating vegetables and fruit when vegetables have been a problem for me. Do most people puree or cook the vegetable?

3) I am sure this is not a big factor, but my husband is severely allergic to nuts and so we can not have any nuts in the house, will this hinder my success on the diet if I can not eat nuts? In the past I have also not been able to eat very many nuts.

4) Have others found that once they get through the "cleansing" of the gut that they are then more torable of the high fiber foods they used to not be able to eat?

Thank you for your help!

 
The SCD does not totally eliminate carbs. It eliminates "specific" carbs.
 
I doubt if fiber, in and of itself, triggered your Crohn's; however, a high fiber diet is not a good idea when the bowels are inflamed. If you had an inflamed scrape on your arm, you wouldn't constantly scratch at it with a brillo pad. That would only irritate it more, possibly causing it to bleed. Same thing with eating a lot of roughage when your colon is inflamed.
 
A diet high in sugar is a known risk factor for IBD. I find I feel best when I eat a low carb diet, avoiding grains and dairy.
 
When you're flaring and are experimenting with either of these diets, you want to choose your fruits and veggies wisely and yes, you'd thoroughly cook or puree to aid digestion. Avoid raw fruits and veggies (although very ripe bananas and mashed avacado are okay), peel everything and avoid seeds. In my experience, the safest veggies are non-cruciferous: green beans, English peas, carrots, winter squashes. Applesauce and baked apples and pears are also easy on the gut.
 
Doing the SCD without nuts is going to be more difficult, but not impossible. That means you have to eliminate nuts as snacks and condiments, nut butters and, probably toughest of all, no almond flour baked goods.
 
Yes, once you're feeling better and symptoms are greatly reduced or you're in remission, you'll find you're able to tolerate a much wider variety of foods and can enjoy salads and other raw fruits and veggies.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 

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