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jujub
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   Posted 10/18/2008 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
As we always do, I'm starting a new thread due to the length of the old one. Please use this thread to continue posting.
 
The old thread is here if you want to go back and review:
 
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DanthaMan
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   Posted 10/25/2008 6:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Since I have been in a flare for so long, my body cannot digest all of the spinach and sunflower seeds the way it should. I would say that I only digest about 60% of the two. I tried juicing spinach, but read that the kind of jucier I have might not be that beneficial since it heats the item you are jucing. I bought another type of juicer that mashes and can make nut butters.

I started Tuesday of this week by juicing half a bag of spinach, and a few carrots. The sunflower seeds get turned into power, it looks like brown sugar. I hope this will do the trick since its going to be easier to digest now. I did get some D after doing the spinach, and waited to do it again today and I seem to be handling it much better.

I really hope this works, it will be such a relief to have my life back.

I will keep everyone posted.

Daniel.

Cfromutah
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   Posted 10/25/2008 8:58 PM (GMT -6)   
It will be interesting to know if juicing those items works for you so yeah, please keep us posted.

Post Edited (Cfromutah) : 10/26/2008 12:26:27 AM (GMT-6)


Kiss520
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   Posted 10/26/2008 2:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I would like to cautiously give an update on my progress with the spinach and sunflower seed thing.  I started on 9/31.  By the third week my very watery D started to get some substance.  For the last three days I have had formed stools (not perfect but getting there).  During the first two weeks of doing this, I had an increase in D and I could see every last ounce of spinach I ate right there in the toilet.  It was gross, and I was worried I was making things worse but stuck to the diet.  I feel better physically - I've gained some weight, and I have TONS of energy and am working out for the first time in four months.  I'm still taking all my meds and have not decreased the amount yet.  I will post again when I'm more sure about the success, since its so early right now.  But so far, so good... (fingers crossed)!

Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 3X daily, Cortenama 100 ML nightly, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Bentyl 20 MG as needed, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga and walking.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa.
Status:  Flare
 
 


WeirdBeard
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   Posted 10/27/2008 1:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I seem to be doing well on the diet, too. Formed stools, no blood. I am not completely back to normal, but I am definitely better. I started on the sunflower butter first and added the spinach later on. (about a week into it.)
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DanthaMan
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   

Any updates? I am doing just the sunflower seeds every day around dinner time. I seemed to be getting better slowly everyday.

 

 


Kiss520
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   Posted 10/31/2008 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Today is my one-month anniversary on this diet, and I haven't felt this good in a year (I started seeing my first UC symptoms last November).  I have no blood, no cramps, no urgency.  My stools are formed but not perfect.  I have some gurgling in my stomach, but it is FAR less than I used to.  I think I would be doing better if there wasn't so much friggin' Halloween candy around (I don't do well with chocolate, but I can't help myself).  I should mention that my diet, aside from the spinach and sunflower butter, is mostly low-residue.  I will be starting to taper my meds very slightly tomorrow.  It will be a very gradual process. 

Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 3X daily, Cortenama 100 ML nightly, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Bentyl 20 MG as needed, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga and walking.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa.
Status:  Flare
 
 


Cfromutah
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   Posted 10/31/2008 8:13 PM (GMT -6)   

That's great kiss520, I'm glad its helping you. With your colon going through hell for the last year I'm sure its still healing and I think if you stick with the diet your BM's will be completely normal soon and the rumbling will be gone. Mine are completely normal and have been for over 2 years with this diet and I had very severe symptoms before I started this diet. The first month or so after I was seemingly mostly healed from this diet I sometimes had miner glitches like not completely perfect BM's and rumbling and what not but now I can eat anything without any problems, as a matter of fact my digestive system is more normal and works better than anyone I know now.

And DanthaMan, that's great your seemingly getting better also. I hope you can reach full remission and stay there, and same for you WeirdBeard.

Post Edited (Cfromutah) : 11/1/2008 8:26:05 AM (GMT-6)


Kiss520
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   Posted 11/2/2008 3:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Cfromutah - I'm planning to write a full description of how things went for me on the diet, once I reach complete remission (tapered off of all meds, if possible).  I have faith that this will happen after what I've already seen.  I can't thank you enough for taking the time to tell everyone about your discovery.  Even if my symptoms never improve past where they are right now, I can say that you have given me my life back.  I can do things now that I never thought I'd be able to do again (going for a long walk, going to a concert, exercising at the gym, and generally feeling like a part of society and not an outsider looking in).  I don't know how I can possibly thank you enough.

Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 2X daily, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga, walking, cardio.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa, Bentyl, Cortenema.
Status:  Heading to remission???
 
 
 
 


Cfromutah
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   Posted 11/2/2008 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   

Your very welcome kiss520, I appreciate your thanks and gratitude very much. Its what I came here to do was to hopefully help some people. To be honest I held out for awhile and didn't let people know about this right away because I was going to try to make money from this. I knew that with the way I have this down to where I can cause myself to go from being symptom free to a full blown UC flare and then back to being completely symptom free at will by altering levels of certain nutrients from foods I could find someone very interested in learning what I knew. They would of probably paid me to run some tests on me and figure out why this is working and develop a medication that works around why the diet works and pay me to be hush hush about the actual simplicity of this. I decided I can't do this, I couldn't hold back info that could possibly help some just so I could get gain. So I decided to let all that go and come on here and hopefully help people and I am very glad it is helping some.

I appreciate that when you are in complete remission that you plan to give a full description. That helps me out because with the simplicity of this it is hard to convince people that this really works, people are very skeptical about it, so I'm glad to have you and a few others have also to help spread the word and back up my claims because I want this to help as many people as possible, as I am sure you do too with your willingness to give a full description when you reach complete remission without meds so thank you

Post Edited (Cfromutah) : 11/2/2008 4:40:44 PM (GMT-7)


Kiss520
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   Posted 11/2/2008 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   

I'm glad you decided to share your information without trying to make money.  I can see the draw, but I can tell you that when I see a product or theory that someone is trying to "sell,"  I tend to think its a bunch of BS and ignore it.  You'll probably get a lot more people to hear you out if you're not trying to profit from it.  I'm still in total shock that this is working after trying - what felt like - everything.  My case is also quite severe, or was anyway.  I was just telling my husband over dinner that sometimes I feel like I could just explode from the excitement of feeling SO good.  "Giddy" is not typically a part of my vocabulary, but that's how I feel.  smilewinkgrin

I'm very anxious to share my success story, but like you, I want to be sure of my success before I say anything.  You can definitely count on me to spread the word when my symptoms are 100% gone and I'm off meds.  Thanks again for everything!!!      


Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 2X daily, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga, walking, cardio.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa, Bentyl, Cortenema.
Status:  Heading to remission???
 
 
 
 


Discouraged
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   Posted 11/4/2008 7:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Where is the original post that tells you what to eat?  I can't find it. 

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Currently in a flare and taking Prednisone 30 mg per day to taper to zero in about 9 weeks *just had dosage increased to 40 mg because I am not responding* Back down to 30 mg and doing okay..so far
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bokscarracer
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   Posted 11/4/2008 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
did any of you who had success on this diet had quite a bit of bleeding prior? how long does it take for the bleeding to go away? i'd have to say that it's the blood that scares me most (probably most others as well). most of my stools are semi-formed but i keep passing mucus and blood (more blood progressively as the day goes on). on a positive note, i found some sunbutter at whole foods and this stuff tastes soooo good!

Kiss520
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   Posted 11/4/2008 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   

I was always been a big bleeder, but for some reason just before I started the diet I had stopped bleeding; however, I do know that I had blood loss that I could not see, because my doc told me I would need a blood transfusion when I was recently in the hospital (before the diet). 

If you're bleeding, you'll definitely want to stick to the sunflower butter and NOT the seeds.  The butter is kinder on your digestion.  And do not eat fresh spinach if you're very inflamed - it will really tear you up.  Eat the canned or frozen.  I preferred the frozen for taste reasons.  Also, if you buy frozen CHOPPED spinach, you'll have an easier time breaking it down because its already in smaller pieces.  I'm going to post a little recipe that I've used that's a tasty way to eat spinach every day.  This is my lunch:

Spinach Quesadillas

2 10oz packages frozen chopped spinach, thawed and squeezed dry of liquid

1/2 onion, chopped and sauteed in 1 tbsp butter

10oz can cream of celery soup

1 1/2 cup sharp cheese cheese, shredded

1/4 tsp black pepper

flour tortillas - small burrito size

cooking spray

Mix the first five ingredients in a bowl.  Spread about 1/3 cup of the mixture on half of a tortilla.  Fold the tortilla over and place on a griddle that's been generously sprayed with cooking spray.  Cook until the bottom is golden brown and crispy.  Spray the top of the quesadilla with cooking spray, flip it over, and cook the other side until golden brown and crispy.  Remove from griddle, cut in half, and serve immediately.
 
I usually make two quesadillas each day, and the spinach mixture lasts me for about 3-4 days.  Just keep it in a tupperware container in the fridge.
 
I should also mention that since I was flaring pretty good when I started this, I also did a low-residue diet.  The spinach was really the only non-low-residue food I was eating.  I think this helped me heal faster than it would if I was eating whatever I wanted.
 
I hope this info helps you!

EDIT:  Just wanted to add that the first two weeks on the diet were not pleasant.  I had increased D and at one point I saw a tiny bit of blood (which really freaked me out), but I stuck to it and all is well now.

Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 2X daily, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga, walking, cardio.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa, Bentyl, Cortenema.
Status:  Heading to remission???
 
 
 
 


bokscarracer
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   Posted 11/4/2008 10:35 AM (GMT -6)   
mmm the recipe sounds delish! i like to eat a lot so i'm sure i'll go through it quicker. what kind of low-residue foods do you eat? yeah i'm really hating the blood. it was absorbed in my poo this morning and i passed free blood as well. i don't think the cortifoam helped or else it's just not reaching high enough. although the poos that came out after the bloody ones didn't have blood in them so i don't know if that means my inflammation is still in the distal colon or what. i'm also thinking that starting the celexa during the flare didn't help much either. i cut down to 10 mg today to see if the bleeding gets better. thanks for your time and input!

Kiss520
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   Posted 11/4/2008 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   
To find the principles of a low-residue diet, you should google "low-residue diet" and read up on it. There's a lot you can eat - basically you'll just be avoiding foods that would rough on your system like raw veggies and some fruits, nuts, granola, whole grain foods, etc. Its kind of a treat to be on the diet, because you can eat those "white" foods that you typically would avoid, like white breads, pasta, etc. For breakfast, I toast a couple pieces of white bread, spread some sunflower butter on each, and put some sliced banana between them to make a sandwich. Its SO good.

If you're already bleeding, you can probably expect an increase in the first couple weeks on the diet. But stick to it, it really does work. I know how awful the bleeding is - it just makes you feel like you're getting worse and worse with every trip to the bathroom. Good luck with the diet. I hope you have the same succes I've had!!
Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 2X daily, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga, walking, cardio.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa, Bentyl, Cortenema.
Status:  Heading to remission???
 
 
 
 


bokscarracer
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   Posted 11/4/2008 12:43 PM (GMT -6)   
kiss -- i'm going to give the low-res diet a try. i do notice more bleeding when my stools are formed and have explosive gas --- makes sense! how much of the sunflower butter do you have and do you try to avoid the actual nuts in it due to the low-res diet principles? thanks for your time! -- rich

sgtpeper
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   Posted 11/4/2008 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Why are you normally not supposed to eat white bread? I purposely bought sourdough bread thinking it would be easier on me than wheat bread - am I wrong??

Kiss520
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   Posted 11/4/2008 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Rich - I probably eat about 2 tablespoons of sunflower butter a day. And yes, I eat the smooth kind to keep it low-res. Glad to help!

sgtpeper - My comment about the white bread was based on the average person. You know how we've been told lately that whole-grain breads are better and white bread doesn't offer much nutritionally? That's all I meant. But for people with UC, white bread can be easier to digest than whole grains. You're not wrong about the sourdough bread - that would be a good low-residue food.
Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 2X daily, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga, walking, cardio.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa, Bentyl, Cortenema.
Status:  Heading to remission???
 
 
 
 


sgtpeper
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   Posted 11/4/2008 2:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Okay that makes sense :)

Im very lucky my girlfriend has a masters in nutrition so she has me eating pretty well!!

Kiss520
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That IS lucky!
Katie, 30.   Chicago 'burbs.
DX:  Pancolitis as of 9/08 (Proctitis as of 1/08)
Current Treament:  Asacol 1200 MG 2X daily, Iron 325 MG 2X daily, Zoloft 50 MG daily, Multivitamin.
Diet/Exercise:  Spinach/sunflower and low-residue.  Yoga, walking, cardio.
Previous Treatment:  Canasa suppositories, Cortifoam, Prednisone, Colazal, Symex DuoTabs, Rowasa, Bentyl, Cortenema.
Status:  Heading to remission???
 
 
 
 


Cfromutah
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   Posted 11/4/2008 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
bokscarracer, I was bleeding very much before I was helped from this diet. Sometimes when I would go it would be nothing but blood and mucus and it would turn all the water in the toilet bright red, and after that would come out the blood would just keep dripping out while i was on the toilet.

sgtpeper
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   Posted 11/4/2008 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
How long did it take you from starting the diet to feeling perfectly fine again?

Thanks,
Jeff

Cfromutah
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   Posted 11/4/2008 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
in about one month BMs were nearly perfect and in about one and a half months I was completely symptom free with perfect BMs. but I wasn't doing a low residue diet. I was just eating a lot of canned spinach, sunflower seeds, peanuts and peanut butter.
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