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bokscarracer
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   Posted 11/3/2008 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
has anyone had more mucus a couple hours after trying these? i'm using 8 400mg caps and a couple hours later i'll poop a bunch of mucus with a little blood. the vitamin e stuff sticks to everything too, i wonder if that's good for the colon?

mh53mike
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   Posted 11/3/2008 6:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Ummm no. First off i have used vitamin E rectally, but right before bed and i hold it in. To me it sounds like you are actually giving yourself an enema, like gush it in and running to the toilet. If thats the case then ya you are going to see mucos...you just flushed it out! IBD'ers have alot of mucos thats the bodies immune system trying to protect the intestinal wall from whatever.

I have awsome returns with vitamin E enemas, but always have taking them before bed and towrds the end of a flare or begining, never taking them in the middle of a severe flare as i think that would be irrritating.
26y old male. Diagnosed with UC (lower proctitis) in 2004.
 
Current daily treatment:                             Probiotics & supplements:
2400mg oral asacol                                       Digestive enzymes
75mg azathioprine                                        folic acid & calcuim with V-D
20mg Prilosec                                              VSL#3 probiotic 
Diet:Little/no sugars, fats, carbs, caffine,yeast,breads,alcohol. Stay natural as possible. A not so strict form of the SCD.  
Results:1 Bowel movement in the morning no blood! Remission since 08Sept08
 
 


bokscarracer
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   Posted 11/3/2008 8:17 PM (GMT -6)   
i keep it in for a couple of hours but maybe you're right about trying them out in the middle of a flare. i'm going to hold off and see if alternating rowasa and cortifoam enemas nightly will help. thanks for the input!

sheldon33132
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   Posted 11/4/2008 12:37 AM (GMT -6)   
The enema will be effective in the middle of a flare.Diet is the cornerstone of the procedure.It would also help
to remedy the source of any irritation.

Dr-A
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   Posted 11/4/2008 7:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Vitamin E should not irritate the colon in the middle of or any part of a flare.
Proctitis DX 1999, Pancolitis DX 2008
Lialda 3 day
Immuran
Vitamin E Enemas as needed
Probiotis/GreenTea/VitD+Ca/SuperDHA


bokscarracer
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   Posted 11/4/2008 9:26 AM (GMT -6)   
dr-a -- so you think the vitamin e enemas would be beneficial in the middle of a flare?

robray
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   Posted 11/24/2008 2:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I am giving the Vit E enemas a shot, but I have some questions regarding the procedure of making the enema. I tried to post this for Sheldon on CureZone, but I am having troubles logging in.

1. After you suck up the vit E floating on the water, do you suck up the 1.5 tablespoons of water when creating the enema?
2. How do you ensure that the vit E is transferred from the ear syringe to the colon? The first night I tried the enema I sucked up water with the vit E and I don't think much vit E went in to my colon because there was a substantial amount of vit E drained out of the ear syringe by the morning.
3. Can vit E go bad? Do you rinse all the vitamin E out of the ear syringe?
UC (Pancolitis) diagnosed in 1992. Medications: Dipentum, Pariet


sheldon33132
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   Posted 11/25/2008 1:44 AM (GMT -6)   

Robray,

Try posting a message on the vitamin E enema site by answering the first message posted .Just erase it's title and put in your own.The Issue 64 posting will give you detailed information on enema use.

1.yes you suckup all the water.

2 Don't worry about any vitamin E sticking to the inside of the enema you will get enough vitamin
in your colon if the enema is used correctly.Just wash the outside of the syringe.

3.I never rinsed out a syringe I used for years.Never had a problem.


robray
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   Posted 11/27/2008 7:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the response Sheldon.

I gave curezone another shot and it lets me login, but when I try to post it wants my password again and at then denies it at that point. I got it to email my password and it is correct. I should ask the admin on that site for help.

I went to buy more vit E today and I found a version in a bottle, which would make things much easier.

The product is called, Vitamin E Liquid.

This is the description:

Pure natural clear vitamin E in the form of d-alpha Tocopheryl acetate derived and isolated from 100% natural sources free from allergens.
An antioxidant for the maintenance of good health. helps to protect against free radicals, lipid oxidation, environmental pollutants topically to promote healing of burns, cuts or scrapes
For adult use only.

The form of vitamin E seems to be a combination of what is acceptable and what to avoid.

Can you please tell me if it is acceptable?

Here is a link to the product, but I am not sure if I am allowed to post links to product so it might disappear. You will have to scroll 3/4 of the way down the page.

http://www.trophic.net/products/vitamins.html
UC (Pancolitis) diagnosed in 1992. Medications: Dipentum, Pariet


sheldon33132
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   Posted 11/28/2008 1:58 AM (GMT -6)   

Robray,

The vitamin E you have is not the most biologicallyactive form of vitamin E as explained at the Issue 64 site under a science paper posting explaining the different vitamin E's.Only use Mixed Tocopherols (d-alpha plus d-beta,d-gamma and d-delta tocopherol) comes  in one capsule.I have no experience with the liquid vitamin E.However, postings by a women on this site used a pharmacist to make her the enemas using a liquid vitamin E.After several months,she posted a CURE.I have been using the Curezone site for six years and they are excellent.Tell them you are trying to post at the Issue 64  at the vitamin E site.I don't understand the cause of your problem.You can buy the proper vitamin E at your drugstore or most  vitamin selling sites.At the site,I post a good source.I used the enema for years because my beginning diet was not correct.The diet is the cornerstone of the procedure.


robray
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   Posted 11/28/2008 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't actually buy the d-alpha Tocopheryl acetate vitamin E I asked about above. It is liquid so it would be easier, but I will avoid it if it is not right.

I have read Issue 64 many time, I even have it printed down to one page and I brought that with me to the drug store. I bought the right vitamin E with the mixed tocoperols. It is a different brand than the first Vitamin E I was using, it is much easier to deal with and I will explain the difference because it may help people who try this.

The first type of Vitamin E I got was from a Naturopath and it was just a coincidence that I had it, so I thought I'd use it for the enemas. It comes in 1000mg capsules and is the consistency of tree sap. It is extremely sticky and thick and is quite dark in colour. By the time I got it squeezed out of the capsules my fingers ached. The next problem was sucking it up in to the nose syringe. I figured out that if I slightly heated the distilled water the vitamin E would become more viscous and I could suck it up. When I gave myself the enema the water went in first and then a bit of the vitamin E, but most of it stuck inside the ear syringe and would ooze out by the morning. Even though this vitamin was the right type it really is not ideal for enemas. In fact I think some people that try the enemas get this type and give up. Luckily I didn't because this new brand of vitamin E comes in the 400UI capsules and it is no where near as thick or sticky. It is much closer to olive oil or something like that and it is light coloured. I am a very relieved that I found this type of vitamin E.

I will keep you posted on my progress. Even though I am at day 6 I really feel like I am back at day 1 because I don't know if that other type of vitamin E really made it through much of my colon.

Hopefully, my experience with the vitamin E can help somebody. I will try to shoot a video of me making the enema and put it on youtube. Then maybe we could get a link to it on curezone.

I read the curezone message about logging in and it seems that my problem is most likely because I have firefox installed. I don't want to uninstall it, but I have another computer to try.

Thanks again for all your efforts.
UC (Pancolitis) diagnosed in 1992. Medications: Dipentum, Pariet


WeirdBeard
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   Posted 12/1/2008 11:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, the brand makes a big difference. Fortunately, I got the right kind on the second try.

I have been doing this for about 5 days now. There seems to be some improvement. I am cautiously optimistic.

How are you doing on it? Any improvement?
49 - male - in North Carolina near Asheville
Asacol 9/day
Citalopram (anxiety/depression)
experimenting with probiotics/ spinach and sunflower seeds
stopped: Cortenemas and fish oil


bokscarracer
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   Posted 12/1/2008 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
weirdbeard -- did you give up on the sunflower/spinach diet?

Proctosigmoiditis up to 25 cm
Colazal 3 caps 3 times a day
Hydrocortisone enemas AM and PM for next two weeks
Canasa suppository for lunch (for my butt)
Rowasa enemas nightly after hydrocort enema regimen is completed
Celexa 20mg daily
Fish oil, milk thistle, Ultimate Flora critical care probiotic, Alive multivitamin, lysine
Spinach and sunflower seed plan


WeirdBeard
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   Posted 12/2/2008 11:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I gave up sunflower seeds, but I am still eating the spinach. Every time that I eat any kind of seed or nut my flare gets worse. I am doing a calcium/magnesium supplement in hopes of making up for the loss of the seeds. (Although C said that that didn't work for him.)

Drat, this flare. I really thought the SS&S diet was going to fix me.

Well, maybe the vitamin E will help. Next will be VSL#3 if that doesn't work.
49 - male - in North Carolina near Asheville
Asacol 9/day
Citalopram (anxiety/depression)
experimenting with probiotics/ spinach and sunflower seeds
stopped: Cortenemas and fish oil


Probiotic
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   Posted 12/2/2008 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   

Hey Weirdbear, sorry you are still flaring.  I am sort of the same in that I cna't lower pred without reflaring, and even with Remicade I still have lots of pain (though it has at least mercifully formed my stools well and stopped any bleeding.)  I saw the link posted for the Canadian brand of vit E that is not so thick and gooey i..e would mix better into water for an enema, but can someone post a link to a source of 'thinner' vit E in the U.S.? (Or PM me if that is not permitted by forum rules, but I am guessing in this case it is permissible.) Thanks...

P.S. I am doing spinach and sunflower seeds right now too.  I am tolerating spinach very well, no problems.  I canot risk taking seeds but I have  tried pure sunflower butter.  I think it flares me a little bit though, by being simply too high in carbs for my own sensitivities.  So I may be stuck with spinach and supplements, eg some magnesium and beta carotine along with plenty of spinach.


Pancolitis 20 years ago, full med-free remission 10 years,
Flaring/simmering on and off ever since, allergic to all 5ASAs
10 20 17.5 15 12.5 10 mg 8 7.5 20 17.5 15 mg pred, 100 mg Imuran
TCM, Probiotics (PD, Cust.Probiot., Culturelle, etc), DMSO, TSO, hookworm
Turmeric/circuminboswellia, fish oil, many vits/minerals
Lower-carb version of Specific Carb Diet (SCD), Remicade newbie
 
 
 


WeirdBeard
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   Posted 12/2/2008 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is what I am using as listed at iherb.com:
Healthy Origins, E-1000, 100% Natural Mixed Tocopherols
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=7039

It is 1000 IU, so you will have to adjust the number of gelcaps that you use.
49 - male - in North Carolina near Asheville
Asacol 9/day
Citalopram (anxiety/depression)
experimenting with probiotics/ spinach and sunflower seeds
stopped: Cortenemas and fish oil


Probiotic
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   Posted 12/2/2008 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, WeirdBeard. From my recollection of trying this before, a long time ago, only a small fraction of the vit E ends up getting into the liquid (and in big clumpy drops at that) while much remains coating the inside of the enema bottle, the tubing, etc.. so if one is supposed to take in 8000 IU a day, one might need 20 capsules or 20,000 IU of vit E to yield that result. Maybe I am being too pessimistic if this vit E is much more liquid than my prior experience. I'll certainly give it a shot.
Pancolitis 20 years ago, full med-free remission 10 years,
Flaring/simmering on and off ever since, allergic to all 5ASAs
10 20 17.5 15 12.5 10 mg 8 7.5 20 17.5 15 mg pred, 100 mg Imuran
TCM, Probiotics (PD, Cust.Probiot., Culturelle, etc), DMSO, TSO, hookworm
Turmeric/circuminboswellia, fish oil, many vits/minerals
Lower-carb version of Specific Carb Diet (SCD), Remicade newbie
 
 
 


sheldon33132
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   Posted 12/3/2008 12:09 AM (GMT -6)   
As instructed in Issue 64 of the enema E procedure,the vitamin E will not mix with water.Place the vitamin E on the  standing water in the container.Then place the tip of the enema syringe on the oil mixture.Then suck up the floating oil with the 1.5 tablespoons of distilled water.The water carries the oil into the colon. If you use the proper enema syringe you will get enough vitamin E to be effective.Just wash the outside not the inside of the syringe.
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