Corn oats and wholegrains

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men8ifr
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   Posted 11/4/2008 6:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,
 
I've been reading recently how whole grains and resistant starches which would include things like corn flakes, porrige oats, brown rice  have been tested on UCers and the results are all very positive with people's symptoms improving significantly together and the mechanism seems to be that bacteria feed on the starch and make butyrate - the Short Chain Fatty Acid (SCFA) that has itself vie enema been proven to reduce UC symptoms (also butyrate is present in lower levels of people wit UC compared to 'normal' people). I think one study had 3/20 people relapse over 9 or 12 months where-as 14/20 relapsed in the control group! Also my only time in remission I was eating porrige oats every day but I didn't know about this then I was eating them because they are full of soluble fibre to ease BM's and D.
 
So that sounds great - eat whole grains and starches, bacteria make butyrate, which then alleviates or eliminates UC symptoms.
 
But this morning I have abdominal pain which I have not had for a while and the only difference I can think is I had a big meal of stirfry with brown rice yesterday - I'd normally have white rice but thought I'd try move onto brown rice and whole grain stuff but it doesn't seem to like me.... Also I started eating cornflakes again but started that a few days ago so don't think it's that...
 
How do you get on with whole grains starches and fibre? I guess it's also different in remission than flares... perhaps I just need to start in small quantities and work up?
Ian

Currently in no mans land between flare and remission


princesa
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   Posted 11/4/2008 8:54 AM (GMT -6)   
In general, I avoid or greatly eliminate all grains and feel better when I do so. In particular, I avoid gluten grains.

Brown rice has alot more fiber than processed white rice. That could certainly account for your pain.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 


quincy
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   Posted 11/4/2008 10:53 AM (GMT -6)   
there's such a thing as tooooo much at one time. the butyrate production is important for healing the mucosal lining, to help prevent leaky gut. Inulin is one of the carbs that's added into fibre supplements.

The fact that you're having milk with cornflakes could be part of the symptoms you're having.

You could trade milk for Rice Dream...vanilla...yummmy on cereal.

q
*Heather* Status..Asacol 6 (3 twice daily); enemas every 4th night
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~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotic 4(Natural Factors Protec) bedtime + Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls occasionally
~multi-digestive enzymes as needed
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princesa
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   Posted 11/4/2008 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Good catch on the dairy. I find it can be a cumulative thing, too, so don't eliminate the dairy/cornflakes combo simply because you didn't react to it immediately.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 


men8ifr
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   Posted 11/5/2008 5:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I had a food allergy - IgG test which showed a high reaction to cows milk and a small reaction to egg white so I stopped the milk as of last weekend and yes I've been using rice milk for the cornflakes and soya for tea.. it's not too bad.

Any ideas what's actually happening when I/we have abdominal pain, could be fibre passing a sensitive part of the colon or I wonder if it's the immune system attacking something?
Ian

Currently in no mans land between flare and remission


princesa
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   Posted 11/5/2008 8:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, pain can be caused by the tough fiber matrix scraping past inflamed areas. It can also be caused by the colon spasming and by gas created when bad gut flora feast on improperly digested food particles.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine.
Probiotics, l-glutamine and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice. Oregano oil antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal. Long-term remission with only minor blips.
 
 

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