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pant pooper
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   Posted 1/4/2009 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   

Colitis may be considered "meat eater's disease." Here is what cooked red meat has going against it: it has no fiber; it is low in water; it is constipating and sticks to the walls of the colon, building up a layer of hardened plaque; it is mucus forming; its heated fats are carcinogenic; it takes six or more hours to digest, robbing precious digestive and nerve energy which is needed for healing and it just plain does not digest completely, so it putrefies (or rots) in the colon, producing such highly poisonous gases and compounds as hydrogen sulfide, ammonias, histamine, tyramine, putrescine, indoles, skatoles,purines, and cadaverine (take a closer look at that one!) which all irritate and poison the colon and ruin our health.

anyone believe in this


suebear
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   Posted 1/4/2009 10:40 AM (GMT -6)   

If that's true then explain to me how life-long vegetarians are diagnosed with UC?

Sue


dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998

1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics

2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic

2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free


kops2da
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   Posted 1/4/2009 10:43 AM (GMT -6)   

I would like to know that too, Sue.  Actually, meat may do all those things in some form BUT does that cause colitis - not sure anyone really knows!

ElaineNY


68 yr. old granny
New diagnosed with proctosigmoiditis - 6/2008
 Colonoscopy 10/28 showed only 2 cm. left to heal in rectum - going to try Proctofoam first.
Probiotic Align, Prilosec for GERD
Inderol for hypertension,Xanax,Lipitor, multivitamin, calcium w/D, Tylenol
Close to remission -spoke too soon!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


DesertDance
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   Posted 1/4/2009 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Because of my lack of insurance, I have done a lot of web searching on colitis and other problems. Oil Pulling is an aryuvedic ancient practice that rids one of plaque and cures many diseases. There is a huge article on it on oilpulling.com and it is very easy! I have done it for about 3 months now, and I can see huge differences in my teeth. I now do it in the morning, but may kick it up to 3 times a day. I'll try ANYTHING to get over this stupid UC!!

Dr-A
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   Posted 1/4/2009 11:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, I agree with the rest. It only takes one person who has never eaten meat that gets UC to ruin that theory.
Proctitis DX 1999, Pancolitis DX 2008
Lialda 1 day
Immuran
Golimumab study
Vitamin E Enemas as needed
Probiotis/GreenTea/VitD+Ca/SuperDHA


jblue65
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   Posted 1/4/2009 11:32 AM (GMT -6)   
UC is thought to be an auto immune disorder... I rarely eat meat and voila--- i have UC. Those of us who suffer immensely know that. Does your "theory" apply to CD also?

I truly wish that this disease could be controlled/cured with something as simple as cutting out red meat.
Jackie, 43

Pancolitis, DX October 06

Lexapro, colazal 3x3, Sythroid, Protonix, Flagyl

10 infusions of Remicade- doesn't work
Severely anemic-

back up to 30 mg of pred
Added 6MP- November 25th
 
Surgery almost certain


Sara14
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   Posted 1/4/2009 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I was a vegetarian for about 2 1/2 years before getting UC and I've been a vegetarian altogether now for over 4 years now. I wish your theory was true.
Diagnosed with UC March 2007; Asacol 4 tablets 3x/day; Rowasa; Canasa; Viactiv; Metamucil wafers; multivitamin; sublingual allergy drops


jujub
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   Posted 1/4/2009 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I rarely ate red meat for the five years immediately before diagnosis, but still got UC. Then I started craving red meat, probably because I was anemic.
Judy
 
Moderate to severe left-sided UC (21 cm) diagnosed 2001.
Avascular necrosis in both shoulders is my "forever" gift from Entocort.
Colazal,  Remicade, Nature's Way Primadophilus Reuteri. In remission since April, 2006.
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mbx5
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   Posted 1/4/2009 12:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Humans are omnivores (edited), and due to our opposable thumbs we are on the top of the food chain. Until we evolve into 46&2 (refer to the Tool "Anemia" album if you are into that - love it...) & become perfect beings we will most likely instinctively be meat eating omnivores (edited) just like our ancestors... We just happen to have technology to tell us that some meat in excess is bad...mix that with animal rights activists with a political agenda and we now have diseases caused by meat.
34 yr old male. UC for 14 years. Started left-sided, most recent scope shows pancolitis. 40mg pred (as of 12/16/08), 12 pills Asacol per day, 1mg Atavan per day (anxiety) when needed, Fish oil pills, Culturelle probiotics, Multivitamin. Recent Endonasal brain surgery to remove non-cancerous hormone producing tumor on pituitary gland (and I am still more afraid of my UC!!) "I poop in the woods because I can"

Post Edited (mbx5) : 1/4/2009 7:27:18 PM (GMT-7)


notsosicklygirl
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   Posted 1/4/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I was a vegetarian for 6 years and I still ended up with UC. I have been eating red meat lately but only because my blood iron is so low. I would love to go back to being a veggie but I was tired and skinny. Same as I am now except I have also UC, haha. Throughout my life I have definitely eaten MUCH less red meat than the majority of people I know. I was never into eating beef.
Diagnosed with proctitis in March 2007 - Treated with Canasa 2x Daily
Diagnosed with UC December but had symptoms months ago - Treating with Asacol (feel hopeless)


Mackster
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   Posted 1/4/2009 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
pantpoops, how do you explain why we still have 'canine' teeth?

Could they be for savagely tearing away at our tofu and spinach maybe? rolleyes

quincy
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   Posted 1/4/2009 2:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Beef has a LOT going for it...and what it can do for the body.

Vegetarians get UC...you've been doing too much biased reasearch. Anything can be found in support of a conclusion we wish to reach.

q
*Heather* Status..Asacol  (3 twice daily); flaring since Dec 22, tapered every 2nd nite (Jan 3)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls, Natural Factors Ultimate).... @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


Sara14
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   Posted 1/4/2009 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually, we don't have canine teeth. Do the research.
Diagnosed with UC March 2007; Asacol 4 tablets 3x/day; Rowasa; Canasa; Viactiv; Metamucil wafers; multivitamin; sublingual allergy drops


Mackster
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   Posted 1/4/2009 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I know sara, twas a bad joke, just pooping in someone's pants is all.... cool

jblue65
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   Posted 1/4/2009 2:47 PM (GMT -6)   
lol, mackster turn
Jackie, 43

Pancolitis, DX October 06

Lexapro, colazal 3x3, Sythroid, Protonix, Flagyl

10 infusions of Remicade- doesn't work
Severely anemic-

back up to 30 mg of pred
Added 6MP- November 25th
 
Surgery almost certain


love4cats
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   Posted 1/4/2009 5:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I eat very little meat and the year I got colitis, I was practically a vegetarian.

Humans are omnivores and before tofu and other manufactured protein, we ate meat/fish.
 
 
Dx:  UC Proctitis 2006 
Meds:  None so far. Garlic works to ease flares. My GI laughed when I told him and said it was just coincidence. 
Started Meds:  Apr 9 08 500mg 5ASA (salofalk) to ease flare, tapering, stopped. 
Diet:  Regular fresh garlic, Biobest yogurt daily, Omega 3 supplements, very limited junk food, carbs and processed food, low fat diet.  Lots of fresh fruit and veggies (limited potatoes). 
 Added: tumeric and probiotics.
 
 


Chester_Lampwick
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   Posted 1/4/2009 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
mbx5 said...
Humans are carnivores


Not to be pedantic, but aren't we actually classified as omnivores? Encompassing both herbivore and carnivore qualities?
Male, Age 36
UC since July 2006 - entire large intestine
_____________________________________________________________
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pant pooper
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   Posted 1/4/2009 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes are forfathers ate meat but not injected with hormones and what everelse they feed them these days

LeafsFan
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   Posted 1/4/2009 6:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow...this is intense.

 
Chuck - 28 yrs and counting
 
Diagnosed w/ UC Dec 08
 -----------------------------------
Pentasa 500mg 2pills-4x daily
Prednisone 50mg 45mg 40mg day - Calicium + Vit D
Multivitamin, vitamin C, probiotics
 
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mbx5
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   Posted 1/4/2009 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Chester_Lampwick said...
mbx5 said...
Humans are carnivores


Not to be pedantic, but aren't we actually classified as omnivores? Encompassing both herbivore and carnivore qualities?



Probably....good point.
34 yr old male. UC for 14 years. Started left-sided, most recent scope shows pancolitis. 40mg pred (as of 12/16/08), 12 pills Asacol per day, 1mg Atavan per day (anxiety) when needed, Fish oil pills, Culturelle probiotics, Multivitamin. Recent Endonasal brain surgery to remove non-cancerous hormone producing tumor on pituitary gland (and I am still more afraid of my UC!!) "I poop in the woods because I can"


ucwarrior
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   Posted 1/4/2009 10:42 PM (GMT -6)   
So the non-hormone injected deer and fish I harvest yearly to feed my family is going to give them colitis?

I think my child has a better chance of getting colitis from my genes than from the meat I put on the dinner table.
Diagnosed w/ Ulcerative Colitis in 1995
32 years old
Living med free  
Currently in remission  


unclebubba
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   Posted 1/4/2009 10:44 PM (GMT -6)   
agreed ucwarrior. I also raise my own drug free beef. raised on my own farmand fed on drug/ chemical free pastures. I think I'm pretty safe
 
38 yr old male, NE Ohio
 
diagnosed in aug 2008
30 mg predisone, 9 balsalazide, rowesa enema, 2 gemfibrozil, 1 norvasc, 1 metoprotol, 1 allopurinol, 2 probiotic, 2 aloe vera
gluten intolerance... attempting to live no/low gluten
 
**********
update: down to 25 mg pred a day as of 12/25/08


Sara14
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   Posted 1/4/2009 11:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry, Mackster. Guess I didn't get the joke...and I guess I'm a little sensitive to the whole vegetarian issue...seems to rile (sp?) people up sometimes when I tell them I am one.


Diagnosed with UC March 2007; Asacol 4 tablets 3x/day; Rowasa; Canasa; Viactiv; Metamucil wafers; multivitamin; sublingual allergy drops


piccolobellezza
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   Posted 1/4/2009 11:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't eat red meat and I still have UC =(

On a lighter not... pant pooper--what a shameless name, I love it!
21, female
Diagnosed September 2007
Remicade
Prednisone
Rowasa
Asacol
Protonix
Bentyl
Lomotil
Lasix
Zofran


quincy
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   Posted 1/5/2009 12:14 AM (GMT -6)   
piccolobellezza said...
I don't eat red meat and I still have UC =(

On a lighter not... pant pooper--what a shameless name, I love it!

which is contradictory to what he claims.
 
q
*Heather* Status..Asacol  (3 twice daily); flaring since Dec 22, tapered every 2nd nite (Jan 3)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls, Natural Factors Ultimate).... @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 

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