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bobbit
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   Posted 1/14/2009 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi again all, last week i posted for the first time about my experience and how i became well again, it was brief but it seems as though no one has realy replied and this to me is a concern because when i was unwell i would have eaten anything or followed anyones advice in the hope that it would put me right
I do appreciate that we all do what we want and no-one has a wholy grail and sometimes we can have our dreams shatterd.
So here is the punchline,
all I ask is for someone to test my pineapple theory out, the advice is free and my only gain is to see anyone with UC well again, thats it and dont forget, I too have sufferd in a chronic state and bled nearly every day for 5 years so I'm not just some crazy person on the rant !!
 
OK for anyone interested,
 A fresh pineapple, cut the bottom and top off and cut the prickly outer skin off, cut into 4 segments starting from the middle so you have 4 wedge shaped pieces, then cut, from the thin part of the wedge and all the way down, about 10 mm in so you take out the stalk that runs through the middle (this is oo stringy and tuff) and thats it prepped, if you know how to do this then sorry for the ramble.
After every meal, have a piece of one of the 4 pieces,(if you have 3 meals, 4, 5 etc.. chop the piece into enough to stretch each meal)
All i ask is to post on how it helps or not,
 
Just a little background, pineapple has a proteolactic enzyme that breaks down protein, and my theory is that we seem to lack this in some way, (I may be wrong and probably am) it also contains minerals so is good for dihorrea because it helps to replace the nutrients lost in this process, it is gentle on the stomach unlike orange, lemons,grapefruit, (these bring on digestive acid hence heartburn acid reflux)
 
So there you have it,
one other thing, please dont  scoff me or make fun of this, if its not for you then ok, please dont put anyone off trying it, pineapple is a  natural fruit so it should be ok  to eat, you may not like but hey, who likes medication,  but if you are not sure then ALWAYS ask advice !!!
ROB
 
Edit,
if you are willing to test this then please post
also any  constructive view would be appreciared and i will do my best to answer any question,
  

Post Edited (bobbit) : 1/14/2009 4:25:09 PM (GMT-7)


subdued
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   Posted 1/14/2009 10:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi bobbit,

Thanks for the information. I remember reading that pineapple is anti-inflammatory, helps digestion, and reduces gas. I haven't tried it, because I'm fructose intranet. It's not that high in fructose though (relatively speaking); so perhaps I will try it when my colon gets a little stronger.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting
Diagnosed w/ UC Dec 06
Currently in remission

Lexapro (for stress)
Probiotics
Vitamins (a whole bunch of them)
Anti-inflammatory foods: turmeric, seaweed, garlic...
Avoid: anything with high-fructose corn syrup, foods high in fructose


pb4
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   Posted 1/14/2009 10:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Pineapple is a natural digestive enzyme along with kiwi, papaya and mangos and works best when eaten after each meal, I eat all those fruits on a regular basis with no issues, some people cannot tolerate eating any of those fruits so a supplement form of digestive enzymes usually helps, it's less work for the colon to break foods down when consuming those fruits or supplements after each meal.

:)
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quincy
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   Posted 1/15/2009 3:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Remember that the enzymes would work in the stomach and small intestine..not really in the colon. The point is to have things broken down before it gets into the colon...and hopefully have less discomfort symptoms, gas, pain, cramping..etc from certain foods.

q
*Heather* Status..Asacol  (3 twice daily); flaring /Dec 22, tapered to every 3rd nite/ Jan 13
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls, Natural Factors Ultimate).... @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


Probiotic
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   Posted 1/15/2009 8:15 AM (GMT -6)   
I tried pineapple and papaya pieces a bit before meals some years back and it made me worse- probably the sugar- fructose- though the enzyme supplements have also generally made me worse. In general, sugars- even the modest amounts in sauces used in many restaurnt foods- flare me up so I avoid them like the plague. Not sure in the case of the enzyme supplements whether it was the fillers or the enzymes themselves, but enzymes definitely do not seem to help treat my UC in any way. However, some have reported benefits from enzymes and it is certainly worth a try.
Pancolitis ~20 years, once had a full med-free 10 year remission,
but flaring/simmering on and off for years, allergic to all 5ASAs
15ish mg pred, 100 mg Imuran TCM
Probiotics (PD, Cust.Probiot., Culturelle, VSL3, etc), DMSO, TSO, hookworm
Turmeric/circumin, boswellia, fish oil, many vits/minerals
Lower-carb version of Specific Carb Diet (SCD), Remicade newbie
 
 
 


love4cats
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   Posted 1/15/2009 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
There is a supplement that you can take if you can't handle fresh fruit:

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/herbsvitaminsa1/a/Bromelain.htm
 
 
Dx:  UC Proctitis 2006 
Meds:  None so far. Garlic works to ease flares. My GI laughed when I told him and said it was just coincidence. 
Started Meds:  Apr 9 08 500mg 5ASA (salofalk) to ease flare, tapering, stopped. 
Diet:  Regular fresh garlic, Biobest yogurt daily, Omega 3 supplements, very limited junk food, carbs and processed food, low fat diet.  Lots of fresh fruit and veggies (limited potatoes). 
 Added: tumeric and probiotics.
 
 


sore_guts
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   Posted 1/15/2009 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
this is interesting.  I have been following the spinach/seed diet and have done really well on it.  It really has me interested in diet and nutrition and the way foods affect my body.  I have tried to decrease pro-inflammatory foods(white breads, white grains, vege oils, refined sugars) and increase anti-inflammatory foods.  Pineapple is definetly listed as an anti-inflammatory food so I will add it to my diet.
I'm curious, bobbit, did you try this and find it helped you?  Are you saying the pineapple should be eaten with meals.  I prefer to eat fruits as snacks between meals, but would change that if it soemhow helps to eat it with other foods. 

 sore_guts
 
Currently in Remission since June 2008!!
 
High magnesium/ beta carotene diet
36 year old female with left-sided UC
lialda 1 pill  3 2 times/day
Digestive Advantage Colitis formula 1/day
 
 


LeafsFan
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   Posted 1/15/2009 9:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I was actually doing this for a while (eating pineapple after every meal). Not sure if it helped as I am still on the pred. As I taper, I may try this again to see if it can help me stay in remission. You may find if the fructose bothers you, eating it after a meal and not alone might reduce this as well. That's just a guess on my part, so don't quote me.

Anything is worth trying right?
Chuck - 28 yrs and counting
 
Diagnosed w/ UC Dec 08 - currently feeling ok
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Pentasa 500mg 2pills-4x daily
Prednisone 50mg 45mg 40mg 35mg day - Calicium + Vit D
Multivitamin, vitamin C, probiotics, fish oil
 
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Got2Believe
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   Posted 1/15/2009 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I'll try it Bobbit. I posted awhile back after I came back from a business trip in Dallas end of Sep. 2007 that I thought pineapple helped me come off prednisone without any problems. I ate pineapple everyday for breakfast with honeydew and cakes and had probalby the easiest transition from getting totally off prednisone. Since that was a huge accomplishment I was all siked about pineapple. Since then i buy them occasionally. I actually baught one 2 days ago so I'll eat it with my meals instead of in the morning on an empty stomach. Thanks for the suggestion. Good luck with your ideas. I actually thought pineapple was a anti-septic but don't quote me on that I just thought...
                                                                                         
28/M/TX single parent of gorgeous 3yo girl (revised 12/12/08)
Severe Colitis (pancolitis) since January 9, 2005
currently:  Mildly Flaring 
RX/day: none! Tapered off Prednisone 9/20/08. Lost job and insurance 10/2007 and stopped taking asacol and Imuran cold turkey
OTC: enzymes everyday, turmeric, seldom use probiotics, vitamins & other natural treatments
Diet: SCD helps tremendously, but am not strictly on it.
Other: Prayer, food combos, good posture, chewing more, etc.


Got2Believe
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   Posted 1/15/2009 9:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I meant I just posted it a couple months ago in 2008.. But I'll definately try it. I have been struggling to get into remission without any prescriptions and I am like almost there....

bobbit
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   Posted 1/15/2009 11:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you all for the little bit of debate. Before i became ill i was heavily into keep fit and weight traing,because of my hobbies i was always looking at my diet and learned from many books and magazines about protein.To digest protein you have to have all the amino acids present to digest/get the maximum absorbtion out of it and these are very hard to come by all at once, however, its normaly dairy products that contain all the nessesary amino's but this can be a problem in its own.
This brings me to protein,esential for repairing tissue, as bodybuilders know that after a heavy session they are effectivly tearing muscle and need protein to help restore the damaged tissue, rather like a bridge that is knocked down and as the gap widens the bridge has to be widened to bridge the gap so doing this on a regular basis the gap widens and so does the bridge, a basic idea of how muscle builds (silly you may say but do you get the picture)
Steroids quicken this process up hence the reason why we are prescribed them and bobybuilders and atheletes use them, a little more to it i know but the genarel idea is the quickening process.
So why all this ?
Well i may be wrong but it is my opinion that we do not digest protein,our stomach seems to push it through our system, the bowel/colon does the same, it seems to just want it out and it seems at whatever cost (this is my own personal opinion) so this is where the problem starts, a friend of mine suffers from a reaction when he drinks cocacola, his face swells severly, so with this in mind, could the bowel do the same, if so, why not the whole body ? i dont know, all i know is that my friends face is targeted so in our case it could just be the bowel.
Enough of the ramble, and thank you anyone willing to try this, the only problem that springs to mind is if we take pineapple to aid the protein absorbtion, were do we get the protein, well at the moment i am having prawns, one of the best forms,filterd milk (cravendale, but not reccomended for sufferers at the moment) fish is another but probably the best one is chicken so this one i will leave to the individual, but as in all cases do things gradually as the system can easily be shocked and also in some cases you may find you get bound up inside so take it slowly, you could throw in about 4 or 5 grapes to loosen the system up, avoid ALL citrus fruits, make pineapple the only fruit, with the exception of a few grapes
I dare say there are more contributing factors in our diets like sugar etc.. but most will have an idea as to what brings on their syptoms more severly so avoiding these would go without saying

At mealtimes have your bit of pineapple directly before or after your food, if you do need a few grapes then take theses at the same time (dont forget any medication)
please post on how things are going
ROB

By the way this way of eating is not just based on eating protein but on regular meals as you would normally have, the foods you eat will contain some protein but the best forms are mentioned

subdued
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   Posted 1/15/2009 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
love4cats said...
There is a supplement that you can take if you can't handle fresh fruit:

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/herbsvitaminsa1/a/Bromelain.htm


Thanks for the link. I will definitely try it. (I'm getting a ton of gas now that I'm not flaring.)
Joy - 47 yrs and counting
Diagnosed w/ UC Dec 06
Currently in remission

Lexapro (for stress)
Probiotics
Vitamins (a whole bunch of them)
Anti-inflammatory foods: turmeric, seaweed, garlic...
Avoid: anything with high-fructose corn syrup, foods high in fructose


pb4
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   Posted 1/15/2009 1:15 PM (GMT -6)   
quincy said...
Remember that the enzymes would work in the stomach and small intestine..not really in the colon. The point is to have things broken down before it gets into the colon...and hopefully have less discomfort symptoms, gas, pain, cramping..etc from certain foods.

q

It's still less work for the GI tract and any benefit is a good one, plus fruit is healthy chock full of vitamins and minerals and IBDers need all the help they can get.
 
:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


quincy
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   Posted 1/15/2009 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Enzymes can increase the GI tract...protein stays in the stomach longer and takes longer to go through the system. It serves a purpose for the body...especially if one doesn't eat often enough to encourage the digestive tract to work efficiently.

I think there is a double edged sword with some of the theories....but the basic fact is...if your colon is inflamed or if just the rectum is inflamed, it has a mind of its own to get rid of anything in the colon as quickly as possible.
The reason is that it's flawed in it's protection...and the only way it can react is to not allow things to sit in it for too long a period.

With rectal inflammation where it allows the colon to process a proper stool...there would definitely be more discomfort when it comes out. Having foods that cause a looser stool...be it adding more fruit or veggies or whatever, can help a lot with comfort on its way out.

I agree to try and add as many varieties of foods to allow the digestive tract to work properly (and as pb4 stated...to allow proper nutrients, etc) is the best thing we can do for ourselves.
Protein is important for healing...but hurrying it up too quickly through the system may end up with more discomfort ultimately...but I would think that finding the optimum amount of enzymes through food sources would be better than taking too many enzyme supplements.

Tweaking the intake with a non-inflamed colon would be easier to understand than when the gut is working to rid of contents in a hurry.

quincy
*Heather* Status..Asacol  (3 twice daily); flaring /Dec 22, tapered to every 3rd nite/ Jan 13
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals/supplements 
~Probiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls, Natural Factors Ultimate).... @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma)
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


ucwarrior
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   Posted 1/15/2009 1:43 PM (GMT -6)   
We are prescribed corticosteroids not anabolic steroids. There is a huge difference. Corticos like pred are used for the regulation of inflammation while anabolics alter hormonal balances to achieve greater protein synthesis.

Humans can digest protein. There are proteolytic enzymes produced by the digestive system that can adequately handle the process within reason. A 5 gram hunk of poorly-chewed steak will have more trouble digesting than a 5 gram whey protein shake due to less stress on the digestive process. I don't want to get into substrate attachment and surface area in regards to enzymatic action but we will just say the steak will most often pass into the intestines partially broken down and provide a substrate on which good and bad bacteria can ferment. This can cause a whole host of problems. It goes back to its not how much or what you eat, but what you absorb and are able to digest.

I agree with what you are saying and also believe that digestive enzymes in any form (pills or fruit) can greatly enhance digestion in those of us with digestive issues whether flaring or in remission. This, in conjuntion with probiotic supplementation to "stack the deck" when fermenting the undigested food waste that makes it to the colon creates a favorable environment concerning digestion.

I am glad you are open-minded in the battle against this disease. Much good has come from those like you who look outside of the box. My grandmother used to say "don't put all your eggs in one basket" and don't rely on pineapple to be the secret weapon in the fight against digestive disorders. Its a tad more complicated than just protein intolerance.

I'm not too clear on your coca cola example.
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32 years old
Living med free  
Currently in remission  


bbc
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   Posted 1/15/2009 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
If the enzymes in the digestive supplements are primarily food based it should help to acheive a good balance.

I take these...what do you guys think...the first is the regular formula and the second is their best
 
 
 


Moderate Pancolitis
Dx'd 05/2007
7 Pentasa per day (4/3)
Corti Foam p.m. 2X per week
Prebiotics and Probiotics, Bowel Soother, Fish Oil, Calcium, Multi Vitamin and Melatonin
Trying to reduce sugar in my diet but cannot tolerate artificial sweetners
I excersice daily
Did I happen to mention I HATE this disease!!!
01/03/09 Trying a few new things...I'll report back after 90 days

Post Edited (bbc) : 1/15/2009 1:01:58 PM (GMT-7)


ucwarrior
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   Posted 1/15/2009 3:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I have always used Source Naturals brand Essential Enzymes. www.sourcenaturals.com -if you want to read up on them too.

The enzymedica product info looks good. I concentrate on 3 major enzymes: protease, lactase, and cellulase. The other enzymes are bonuses but these three are the most important for me.
Diagnosed w/ Ulcerative Colitis in 1995
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Living med free  
Currently in remission  


bobbit
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   Posted 1/15/2009 4:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Ucwarrior, I fully understand the view on sterroids and i did say that there was more to them, my aim was that sterroids as a whole do speed up the healing process amongst other things,not wanting to go too deep, I had alot of friends who used them in their training but for me the only time, was when i was unwell, I suppose they could be catorgarised but all in all they bring on a faster process in the body.
The cocacola thing, whilst i was refering to an intolerance of protein, I pinpointed the colon/intestine as an organ that would inflame,my reference was why, if anywere is going to inflame, should it just be the colon etc.. and not just inflame the whole body,hence the cola reference and how my friend drinks it and it just effects his face and nowhere else, that was it realy.
UCW, I see that you are in remmission and I am pleased about that, but could you give some background on how this came about, my story started the pineapple, my stools slowly became a little firmer and the mucus and bleeding subsided to the point where i would go once a day or maybe twice, i stopped my asacol by reducing down to eventually none, however the only thing that had an effect on me was if i was given some news that would cause a worry and i would go straight to the loo, this too eventualy disappeared, at this point i was not big on protein intake, more like sunday dinners than proccessed food but i still loved my curries,
ROB

ucwarrior
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   Posted 1/15/2009 4:54 PM (GMT -6)   
1995 scared freshman in college dx'd w/ severe LS colitis. Allergic to mesalamine and minimal response to pred. Forced to tackle UC with unorthodox methods, my brain, and my family's support.
My GI was a d**k. No help there. I thought my mom was going to slap him around.

Majored in biology with emphasis in biochem so wasn't hard to get knowledge about anatomy, physiology and what I could do to sidewalk around conventional medicine. As far as I was concerned, at the time, the docs didn't know a whole lot about UC either so we were on equal ground. No cause, no cure. Spooky.
Over 14 years I have taken myself from 8-10 long massive bloody flares (short incomplete remissions) a year to 1-2 minimal blood. Remission quality is near pre-UC now. It got really hairy sometimes in the past and I am thankful to still be here. No real secret to it just hard work, thirst for knowledge, observation, will to live. Throw in a little luck and some youth and there it is.

Things I consider essential: Food diary, digestive enzymes, anti-inflammatory diet foods, fiber supplement, probiotics, recognize and address early flare signs, hi-digest comfort foods, omega 3s, essential amino acids, exercise, antifungals, reduce refined carb foods, protein shakes, vitamins and minerals.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Diagnosed w/ Ulcerative Colitis in 1995
32 years old
Living med free  
Currently in remission  


bobbit
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   Posted 1/15/2009 5:19 PM (GMT -6)   
UCW, thanks for the response, good to hear you are on top. While i was in search of my holy grail i came across an article regarding the tuberculosis bug and how this could be a related cause of colitis and it was treatable with 3 antibiotics that were taken togeather, does this ring any bells ( i only ask this because of your background).There are allsorts of theories doing the rounds on causes and cures, but for me, If the disease can go into remmission, then it can be erradicated, I honestly do believe that the body is rebelling against something and its just a question of a right balance, it came on its own, so it can go the same way.....
It would be good for someone to get some good result on what i have posted then it may just catch on, sometimes its hard to adapt to change
ROB

Yujin
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   Posted 1/15/2009 7:00 PM (GMT -6)   
i will try this.... theres lots of pineapple here in our country...theres no harm to try.. its just a fruit...
Diagnosed with UC on 2007. Undergone Fistulotomy on 2005. Taking Generic Asacol 400mg 3X a day... "HEALTH IS WEALTH"


Sara14
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   Posted 1/15/2009 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
about how much pineapple do you eat after each meal? Can you tell me in measurement form, like about 1/2 a cup, etc.? Thanks. I will try it. I love pineapple.
Diagnosed with UC March 2007; Asacol 4 tablets 3x/day; Rowasa; Canasa; Viactiv; Metamucil wafers; multivitamin; sublingual allergy drops


potty girl
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   Posted 1/15/2009 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I eat pineapple a lot but never tried it after every meal, but I will sense it is my favorite.
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pb4
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   Posted 1/15/2009 10:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Sara14, one serving would be enough after each meal (about a palm full).

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


bobbit
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   Posted 1/16/2009 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Generally i cut up a whole one and cut it into four pieces, then one piece is divided up by how many meals you have, normaly around 3-4, you have to cut out the stalk that runs through the middle as this is rough and chewy,(check out the origonal post if you are not sure how to cut it up) also stay off citrus fruits and juices and as i have said stay with your medication. Please be honest with any results, good or bad
ROB
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