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Red_34
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   Posted 3/30/2009 7:22 AM (GMT -6)   
I am on a yo-yo - most days I have D 3-4 times a day but once in a while I will have a solid bm followed later in the morning by D (sometimes).  I find that on the mornings that I have a solid bm that I have intense cramping and I can literally feel my colon moving things along.  But on the mornings that I have D there is no cramping or pain.  I do see blood sometimes on the stool itself but I do have hemmies and I am almost positive it is from that because I can feel it.  I don't think I'm flaring because this is much different then my previous flares.  I feel fine after the morning "episodes" unless I am in a very mild flare?  The last time I had a colonoscopy it was clear (2 years ago) and I was having the same symptoms that I am having now.  Mind you this has been going on for a while and it doesn't really bother me.  I would much rather deal with this then be put on steroid enemas - I am very sensitive to steroids now - probably from my past usage of steroids made me so.  When I go on steroids now - enema, injections etc I get a severe facial flush like a sunburn, I get super jittery and I have massive insomnia - after just ONE dose.  So I would rather NOT start on steroid enemas unless I get to flaring so bad that I just can't handle it.  But my question is, why am I having all this cramping with solid bm's but not with D?  Any ideas?
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   Posted 3/30/2009 8:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Funny you should mention that; I am the same way lately. I can feel it moving through my colon and it gets painful and I get some awful gas, and then once I get rid of the stool, I'm fine again. I don't have any blood or mucous -- or d for that matter.

Wait -- I didn't answer your question...only added to it! Sorry Sherry...guess I wanted to say that I feel your pain :-)

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   Posted 3/30/2009 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I think the more solid stool is putting more pressure on the sensitive colon walls and that is causing pain? That would be my guess. While the soft formless just flys through and puts no pressure on the colon.

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   Posted 3/30/2009 1:07 PM (GMT -6)   
yeah, I'd say it's just easier for an inflamed rectum (either from UC or CD or hemmies or fissure) to pass diarrhea than formed stool. You could add a bit of Metamucil smooth to help slick things up a bit..LOL!...it does help, however.

Sucks you cannot use steroid supps any longer...maybe ask the doctor for lidocane suppositories? Might help with the pain and swelling somewhat.

Hope this improves for you...yo-yoing sucks.

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   Posted 3/30/2009 1:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Might be because your rectom is so used to having D compared to solid so you're just more sensitive to the solids now, it may very well get better as some more time goes by, think of it as though it's a shock to your system that is not used to solids, try not to dwell on it though, there is such a strong mind-gut connection and that could also be intesifying it too.

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   Posted 3/30/2009 3:14 PM (GMT -6)   
The pain is different when its due to hemorrhoids versus UC. With UC, I get cramping when I'm going. With hemorrhoids, I get a sharp pain right when the poo passes the hemorrhoids.

When I got my last flare, I had bad diarrhea at first. It didn't hurt when I went to the bathroom. I then started eating rice with turmeric and mild chicken curry and my diarrhea stopped. Only then I was hurting, because the small poos had to go through an inflamed colon. This is also the case with hemorrhoids. The bigger the poo is, the more it hurts.
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Red_34
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   Posted 3/30/2009 5:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I feel the burn from the hemmies when the solid bm's come out but this weird cramping and pain is on my left side and I can literally feel every movement in there. It seems very tender in there. But once I go, everything is fine.

Oh and I can use the steroid enemas, I just choose not to because of my sensitivity. I am reserving them for when I REALLY need them.
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basa0806
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   Posted 3/30/2009 5:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Wait so are you saying that you having cramping not associated with hemmies when you have solid bms? Or am I missing something?
Sometimes (lately actually) I get cramping down low where I had it with my flare but completely formed normal bms. Honestly I don't think its related to my UC but has more to IBS. Does it feel like it could be trapped gas?
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Red_34
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   Posted 3/30/2009 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
It happens only when I have a solid bm and not when I have D so if it was hemmie related then I would think I would have cramping (pain) all the time then right? This pain is about half way down on the left side and the pain subsides when I'm done going to the bathroom. Does this sound like it could be a IBS thing instead of a Uc thing? And no it doesn't feel like gas at all.
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   Posted 3/30/2009 8:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I just responded to traveler80 about the same thing. The pain is absolutely blinding, then it's gone but leaves me wiped out. I don't usually have a problem with hemmies, I think it's just a really inflamed colon. I don't know if there is anything to be done about it, other than getting through the flare with prednisone... and rectal meds?
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   Posted 3/30/2009 8:53 PM (GMT -6)   
It sounds like a hemmie problem to me; they can be internal as well as external. Did you ever try to regulate your bms with Metamucil powder or wafers? That seems to help a lot of members posting here. Then there are so-called "stool-softening" suppositories available, too. Try to stay calm about it because steroid worries will just make you feel worse-- you probably don't need to use them to deal with this problem. Let us know how it's doing ... / Old Hat (30 yrs with left-sided UC ... [etc.])

basa0806
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   Posted 3/30/2009 9:55 PM (GMT -6)   
If it were hemmies though would it hurt on the left that far up? It sounds like you're saying it hurts along the descending colon? I thought hemmies were limited to the rectum?
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pb4
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   Posted 3/30/2009 10:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, hemmies are limited to the anus actually either outside the anus or just inside (still considered the anus).

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basa0806
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   Posted 3/30/2009 10:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I meant anus ;) lol
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Red_34
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   Posted 3/31/2009 1:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Lol Yes the pain is in the descending with mild burning near the anus which I assume is from the hemmies. Oh well, I guess I will know for sure next week at my scope. If I'm my colon is in the clear, hopefully I can remember to ask the doc this question. Maybe I should stick a post it note on my tush to tell him to discuss this with me after I'm done? ;)
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   Posted 3/31/2009 7:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Definitely go for the post-it, Sherry!!!!!!!!! I've thought of doing that myself, ha. If the pain is near your left hipbone, that's likely the sigmoid bothering you. I have that right now with my flare; it drove me near crazy all last week with downward pushing spasms. The descending colon would probably give you pain farther up toward your ribs. / Old Hat (30 yrs with left-sided UC ... [etc.])
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