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therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 12:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know what is going on with me, but I've been following a great diet, no gluten, sugar, dairy, you name it, I'm on my 5th day. I had my chicken soup, 20 mins later, bam I'm driving, I can't hold it back. When I got home to change and shower, there was blood clots, pus, mucus, food, is this a infection would you say? If so, what antibiotic is geared only to bacteria infection in the gut, I don't want a broad spectrum, I want one to kills a bacteria which I know I have. My NP says there's a bacteria there, that olive leaf will kill, well it's not and I need medical help. Please what antibiotic should I suggest to my doctor and I want to take it for awhile not just a few days so I can kill it, anyone know?
Thank You,
Linda
Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


Peety
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I doubt it is infection. What you describe is UC flaring.

You don't want to take an antibiotic unless you get tested to be sure you absolutely need it, because antibiotics will kill the good bacteria too and that can cause you to get even worse.

There have been many, many threads about problems caused by antibiotics.
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering. Asacol/5ASA 6x400 mg maintenance for 20+ years; use prednisone & Rowasa for flares. 
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Food sensitivity test showed wheat/gluten, other intolerances; eliminated all wheat/gluten from my diet. Probiotics (Ultimate Flora, 50 billion), trying Curamin. 
Flaring, seasonal? or supplements too harsh? Back on prednisone, tried to taper but now back up to 20-30 after several really bad days. Waiting for insurance decison on Humira...soon... 


therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
ok Thank you, but when I see yellow/green snot, what is that, pus? Isn't pus a infection?

Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


Peety
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
It's not something you should guess about if it means taking an antibiotic. Maybe they can tell easily with a stool sample? Or maybe a blood test will reveal if you have an infection in your body? I understand it looks worrisome...I don't if I could tell the difference between pus or mucus, though.
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering. Asacol/5ASA 6x400 mg maintenance for 20+ years; use prednisone & Rowasa for flares. 
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Food sensitivity test showed wheat/gluten, other intolerances; eliminated all wheat/gluten from my diet. Probiotics (Ultimate Flora, 50 billion), trying Curamin. 
Flaring, seasonal? or supplements too harsh? Back on prednisone, tried to taper but now back up to 20-30 after several really bad days. Waiting for insurance decison on Humira...soon... 


therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:24 PM (GMT -6)   

I was wondering, once I took all the medication I was prescribe in 6 weeks I went back and had a scope and my doctor said "YOU ARE HEALED, WHAT DID YOU DO?" and I said I took the asacol, rowasa and fiber perfect and that was it BUT, BUT, I SAY I WAS STILL POOPING MY PANTS ALL THE TIME, how can your colon show you never had a ulcer, he said I was perfect and still have urgency and poop your pants all the time? To me that's something else going on. I had food sensitivity, mine was eggs, salmon and tuna. I see a allergist in a month, a month seems so far away, I've already waited a month. I'm getting myself tested head to toe now and I can't wait. I just never saw of seeing a allergist. He does the Doctors Date fecal heavy metal test too, I'm so excited to go get poked and proded, to get results!

 


Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


Peety
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I hope you can see your doctor and figure out what's going on now. I'm sure there are all sorts of things that can mess up your gut besides UC!

My Naturopath suggested a cellular test (vs. blood test) that would more accurately identify any nutrients I might be lacking, but it was more than $2000 (including with the lab's discount for study purposes) so I decided I would pass for now. Is that what you are having done?
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering. Asacol/5ASA 6x400 mg maintenance for 20+ years; use prednisone & Rowasa for flares. 
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Food sensitivity test showed wheat/gluten, other intolerances; eliminated all wheat/gluten from my diet. Probiotics (Ultimate Flora, 50 billion), trying Curamin. 
Flaring, seasonal? or supplements too harsh? Back on prednisone, tried to taper but now back up to 20-30 after several really bad days. Waiting for insurance decison on Humira...soon... 


suebear
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Green can be bile too so be sure you know what it is before getting an antibiotic.

Sue
dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998

1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics

2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic

2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free


therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   

I had my DNA, Geno Profile, Stool bacteria test, urinary test all  done by a NP, who told me he could help me, come to find out he doesn't specialze in chronic diseases (although his website says so) so he didn't know too much about UC. I spent oh, probably over $3,000 with him.I don't think he could read the test results too good or if he did, he wasn't making sense of what he was reading off. He told me I have "Bad Bugs", well now I emailed and asked him to tell me the name of the bad bugs so I can tell my GI. I'm putting him on the spot to help me out now that I'm getting with some other doctor to do the same tests, but by another company. The cost of all the tests $700 max I think, $2,000 is way too much, don't pay that!

My new allergiest is doing two of the test I recommended they are $250 and $175 and they will tell him alot about the stool, pathagens, heavy metals and so forth. He was recommended by the American Enviromental Medicine group and you can go to the website and fine a doctor in your area.

I never thought of allergies or pathogenic bacteria. There was a long discussion on this board many moons ago about parasites and the company in Scotsdale AZ and I consulted with him, paid the consult fee and sent in the stool. He said no parasite but what he is thinking from my urgency and pooping my pants all the time and not being able to control it, it sounded like a pathegenic bacteria. This new tests I'm doing with the allergist will check for this I belive, if not I will be asking for it as well as checking my hormones, thyroid and Lyme disease.


Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 2:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Is it common though to have a gas bubble, then pain and then you can't hold back your stool? Which the stool is mush, with white pieces (like little seeds, but I haven't had any seeds) food particles and yellow orange in color and smells to heck? Does this sound like it's UC?
 
Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


glamourgirl
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   Posted 3/31/2009 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Honestly, everything but the little seeds sounds like UC to me (I'm not sure what the seeds would be). I don't blame you for wanting to find the root of the disease, it's hard for me to accept that there isn't something that's causing it too. Someone on the LDN website suggested that I be tested for Lyme Disease too. I think it's a far stretch. None of my symptoms are those of Lyme Disease. It gets a little old when people suggest random diseases to be tested for when there are no symptoms. Your incontinence seems like it would come from nothing but IBD but I don't understand how you had a perfect colonoscopy and still have trouble. I hope you find the root and are able to get the right meds to get things under control.
Female, Age 38
Diagnosed w/c.diff 7/02 when pregnant w/1st and only child during 2nd trimester(wasn't on antibiotics)
C.diff flare within weeks of delivering baby 1/03, Diagnosed with UC 2/03
Current Meds:
LDN - 2/17/09 1.5 mg., increased to 3 mg. 3/3/09
Ferrex Forte
Acidophillus, Sacchromyces Boulardii, Oil of Oregano


therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 3:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm just going to stick with this diet, which is really good and take it easy until my appt next month. Yeah isn't it so weird that I had a perfect scope and he was truly, really amazed it showed I had nothing ever wrong but I wouldn't control my stool, they were much and always orange, orange being on asacol or being off, they are more orange and yellow never brown colored. I will keep you posted.

Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


pb4
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   Posted 3/31/2009 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
You might have an infection and if not you still may require an antibiotic like flagyl which is often used for IBDers, you should consult your GI about this, especially if there are any new symptoms.

:)
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therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/31/2009 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Finally my GI is hearing me she's faxing over a script for me to get pathegonic bacteria stool tests done. I'm glad she didn't just prescribe me a script, I will let you know the results. Thanks all!

Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


Christine1946
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   Posted 3/31/2009 4:16 PM (GMT -6)   
     Personally, I think you are throwing your money away on that Naturopath or whatever she calls herself.  I do have a nutritionist who works along with my GI doctor and would never dream of treating UC.
     You mentioned having a bout of diarrhea after the chicken soup.  Well, one of my WORSE bouts of diarrhea I suffered in the beginning of a flare was after eating chicken soup.  I don't know whether it is from the fat in the soup or what.
     I'm in agreement with pb.  My GI doctor always has me take Flagyl along with Cipro when I have an infection.  He said that the Flagyl keeps the good bacteria from being destroyed.
     I really feel very bad for you Linda (by the way...I have a daughter named Linda..love that name) and I can relate to your suffering.  I am glad your GI doctor is trying to get to the bottom of this.  I think what you are experiencing is a flare and it may take some prednisone to get this under control.
62 yr old granny. South Jersey
Diagnosed with ulcerative proctitis in 1998 in hospital
Hospitalized (2nd time) in May 2008
Update 11/03/08...finally in remission!!  Hope I don't jinx myself.  Off the prednisone since 11/01/08...now see if I can stay off for longer than two weeks.  Other meds: 6MP (75 mgm), colazal (6 per day), Benicar and Toprol (high blood pressure meds), Probiotic (2 per day), fish oil capsule and multi-vitamin and calcium with vitamin D.


therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/1/2009 8:15 AM (GMT -6)   

I wondered about the chicken soup too, but that's the SCD first thing to eat the few first day if you're experience diarreah and I even puree the carrots and celery, maybe it was the fat. Today is a little bit better, I'm going to do a bacteria pathogenic stool test tomorrow, so hopefully this will shed some light on the situation or ease my mind.

Thank you,

Linda


Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


PSA
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   Posted 4/1/2009 11:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Dear Miracle
Your assumed name is miracle and you don't believe in MIRACLES. Don't worry and don't get disheartned. We are all here to provide you all kind of support. You will be fine and healthy. Lots of people have been able to manage their UC with diet control and life style changes. I feel Garlic may be a little strong, while you are flared up. That is what I feel or rather when I take garlic, I used to flare up. Try Turmeric, as I told you earlier. Please for heaven's save don't loose patience. You will be fine. If you take too much stress your immune system hits you back and the stomach/GI tract is the first thing which is hit by stress. So cool down. Take a deep breath in and out. Do it at least 10 times. Just meditate as if nothing has happened. YOu will heal. Keep me posted. You will be there in my prayers and thoughts. Take Care.
45 years Male Attorney
Diagnosed UC October 1989
Had two stage J Pouch Surgery Nov 2005 Take Down March 2006
Complications after surgery - Incisional Hernia and Ano Fistulas
"Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark."
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracl: Albert Einstein
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