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therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Please tell me why I eat anything, i.e. piece of apple, instantly my stomach aches and I have to poop. It's never been like this as bad, I use to be able to eat a lot of times and not have to go to the bathroom. I'm getting my stool check to see whats up.
 
Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


glamourgirl
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   Posted 4/3/2009 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
One of my old GI's explained it to me a long time ago, I can't remember what the reason is.  When he explained it, it made sense though. lol.  It has something to do with the inflammation and the body's normal reaction to it.  I would really talk to your doctor about it and see about trying Bentyl. 
Female, Age 38
Diagnosed w/c.diff 7/02 when pregnant w/1st and only child during 2nd trimester(wasn't on antibiotics)
C.diff flare within weeks of delivering baby 1/03, Diagnosed with UC 2/03
Current Meds:
LDN - 2/17/09 1.5 mg., increased to 3 mg. 3/3/09
Ferrex Forte
Acidophillus, Sacchromyces Boulardii, Oil of Oregano


therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/3/2009 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi Glamgirl,

Did you stop LDN? How's the joing pain? I'm back on and my mood is up and so is my energy. It's amazes me how I have so much energy and happier. Butt is still the same, but I've read it take 2-4 months not the 4 weeks I was reading, that was seeing and improvement not being in remission. I'm sticking with it. I'm taking Allimed which is a part of garlic, it had wonderful information about it b/c I believe i have a bacterial problem. Still doing Gluten free was 5 days free, no improvement in stool, backslided two days, back on diet now:(

Hope all is well.
Linda


Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


suebear
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   Posted 4/3/2009 3:05 PM (GMT -6)   
It's called peristalisis.

Sue
dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998

1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics

2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic

2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free


fruitgirl
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   Posted 4/3/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, one of my baby books talks about the gastrocolic reflex in infants...it's what causes them to poop pretty much every time they eat in their first few weeks of life. It can stick around for some people, though...there are quite a few people who have their regular BMs after meals. I tend to be this way to some degree, as I often go after dinner.

Anyway, I found a wiki article about it, and it appears it's implicated in IBS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrocolic_reflex
Symptoms began in November 2008, ~4 weeks after giving birth to my son.
Eased for ~3 weeks in December, possibly b/c of probiotic use?
Returned in January 2009 (with a vengeance), diagnosed with pancolitis on January 30.
Currently taking Asacol (400mg 4 pills 3x daily), Rowasa nightly, 40mg 30mg 20mg 15mg of Prednisone (quick taper), Culturelle probiotic, and Zoloft (25 mg).


glamourgirl
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   Posted 4/3/2009 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I think I'm done with LDN. Ever since I stopped taking it, my body aches/pains have almost gone away. I'm convinced it was from the LDN not Lyme Disease like Dr. Sullivan suggested. LDN never made me feel good, it made me super tired. I had to take 2 hour naps and could hardly get out of bed. I gave it a try for 5-6 weeks and was completely miserable towards the end. I hate to give up but I can't continue being on something that causes so much pain. I could hardly walk! It's very sad that yet another drug failed for me. It gets really old trying new things.

I saw a new GI today and I'm going back to the "traditional" meds. I might still see a doctor from the AAEM website to explore other things that might be ailing me like yeast. I think I might have an issue with yeast but I don't think it's causing all of my UC symptoms. If I do have yeast issues, maybe treating it will help my UC issues.
Female, Age 38
Diagnosed w/c.diff 7/02 when pregnant w/1st and only child during 2nd trimester(wasn't on antibiotics)
C.diff flare within weeks of delivering baby 1/03, Diagnosed with UC 2/03
Current Meds:
LDN - 2/17/09 1.5 mg., increased to 3 mg. 3/3/09
Ferrex Forte
Acidophillus, Sacchromyces Boulardii, Oil of Oregano


therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/3/2009 3:19 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi Glamgirl,

To find if yeast is a problem for you, go without it for a week, like I did. I didn't notice a improvement at all in my stools, but they say give it two for sure. Although I was tested, no candida was found in my stool culture. But being on LDN they recommend you not have gluten, it blocks the seritonin in your gut, something like that.  

I like the way LDN makes me feel, it's so weird that it made you worse. I think what they were saying is maybe you had underlying Lymes and LDN brought it to light? I really don't know, I'm guessing, but it's good to get checked for this.

Did you look up that Allimed I posted? See I think my UC is caused by  bacterial, where you might think you have yeast. I thought yeast for so long, but taking antibiotics, I was having firmer stools so I think it was killing some of the bad bacteria and each time I was on antibiotics, when I got of them I was getting a little better. I remember a time I couldn't eat, it felt like "stuff" was in my intestines crawling. I have no idea what that was, was it a bacteria that burrowed into the gut and now it's leaky gut and that's why when I eat food passes to the blood stream and instantly I go to the bathroom. I don't know. I'm having all the tests done to rule out any of my questions. I get one stool test (the common stool tests) results on Monday.

Hey what about doing the cream instead of the pills? Maybe it will have a different effect on you and won't cause joint pain. Just a thought.


Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


Peety
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   Posted 4/3/2009 5:31 PM (GMT -6)   
back to original question,
It's always been my understanding that eating stimulates the bowels, whether you have this disease or not. We are just more senstitive to our bowels being stimulated! It's not the food you just ate coming through, it's just that your bowels woke up.
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering. Asacol/5ASA 6x400 mg maintenance for 20+ years; use prednisone & Rowasa for flares. 
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Food sensitivity test showed wheat/gluten, other intolerances; eliminated all wheat/gluten from my diet. Probiotics (Ultimate Flora, 50 billion), trying Curamin. 
Flaring, seasonal? or supplements too harsh? Back on prednisone, tried to taper but now back up to 20-30 after several really bad days. Waiting for insurance decison on Humira...soon... 


mtgman
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   Posted 4/3/2009 11:43 PM (GMT -6)   
haha...thanks Peety. I always wondered how it got down there so darn fast!
35 year old male living in AZ.  Diagnosed with Crohns at age of 15.
Currently tapering prednisone (15 mgs) and I've been on 6_MP for 2 months.
In the middle of a bad flare now for 6 months...lost almost 30 lbs.


Red_34
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   Posted 4/4/2009 8:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Peety is right. Just the act of eating stimulates the whole digestive system. Ours just happens to stimulate much faster! :) I absolutely hate peristalisis! I can't even get thru one piece of morning toast without having to run to the bathroom. Rest of the day I'm fine and I don't have that issue when I'm eating dinner. Mornings are usually the roughest on me.
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glamourgirl
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   Posted 4/4/2009 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm not getting tested for Lyme Disease. I don't think that LDN could make Lyme Disease symptoms appear that would've been dormant for many years. It just seems like a real stretch to me. From day one of taking LDN, I felt like crap. I feel like I basically lost an entire month of my life while I was on it because I was either so tired or in pain. I want to get on with my life and just go back to the traditional UC treatments/meds. I'm not willing to go gluten free or do any diet. I enjoy food too much and have never noticed anything effecting my symptoms. Whether I'm eating nothing or eating regular food, my symptoms stay the same.
Female, Age 38
Diagnosed w/c.diff 7/02 when pregnant w/1st and only child during 2nd trimester(wasn't on antibiotics)
C.diff flare within weeks of delivering baby 1/03, Diagnosed with UC 2/03
Current Meds:
LDN - 2/17/09 1.5 mg., increased to 3 mg. 3/3/09
Ferrex Forte
Acidophillus, Sacchromyces Boulardii, Oil of Oregano


PSA
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   Posted 4/4/2009 11:14 AM (GMT -6)   
When I was active in life with UC, I used to be scared of eating anything in flights. I would not even have a sip of water as I would have to go to washroom. Even while going to courts or for client meetings I would avoid any eatables or even water lest it causes problems. Even now with J pouch I eat in and go to ...... immediately thereafter. Peety is right, we wake up the bowels.
45 years Male Attorney
Diagnosed UC October 1989
Had two stage J Pouch Surgery Nov 2005 Take Down March 2006
Complications after surgery - Incisional Hernia and Ano Fistulas
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AnnaG
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   Posted 4/4/2009 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes I agree with what you are all saying but I have noticed this is always worse the more inflamation I have,and when accompained by the aching feeling in the stomach,it always means things are getting worse for me,I've been amazed how much you seem to put up with without being afraid,I guess I was shocked because I got rushed in and was within hours of having emergency surgery,and my symptoms don't sound as bad as mny people on here describe,I was worried about you when you posted,on here before about the blood and tissue,but Its good to here you are still carrying on with the LDN,I would have really liked to try this myself,and I also think the grain free is a great idea it certainly helps me but I tend to crave bread etc like I junkie and never manage to stick to it that long
Take care and keep battling Anna

weyakwin
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   Posted 4/4/2009 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I would say it simply your body's reflex - when food comes in, your guts need to make room. When you are active with CU, the reflex is more easily triggered and thus you empty immediately.

DKTB
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   Posted 4/4/2009 8:57 PM (GMT -6)   
i really dont kno why dat happens.It use to happen to me sometimes.i was diagnose with severe UC.I came off of my medication (tapering down ofcourse)and now i take coconut oil and flaxseed everyday.And i'm much beta now.No more bleeding unless i get real stressed.And i prayed also.U must try it.

therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/6/2009 8:22 AM (GMT -6)   
yesterday, I ate about 5 bites of taco bell, bad choice, but in a rush. 15 mins later, driving down the express way, BAM pooped my pants, but at the same time the pressure is so bad that I pee too, does this happen to you woman? I can't hold it back. BUT tell me this, I had already eaten and gone to the bathroom like 5 time yesterday morning, so why in the car do I let out the biggest pile of poop you can imagine? I thought for sure I was already empty. I've probably pooped my pants 4 times in the last 3 weeks in my car. I don't know why this is happening now. I see my allergist on the 22nd for some great tests hopefully it will shed some light on the "dumping" I'm doing.
Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC. STARTED LDN ON 1/25/09. Supplements:  Cod Liver, Probiotics, multi whole food vitamin, olive leaf extract.


suebear
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   Posted 4/6/2009 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes this used to happen to me frequently. I never found anything that successfully prevented this. I learned to be prepared at all times for an accident and stressed over it all the time. And speaking of volumes of poop, one night I counted 36 episodes of diarrhea in the course of 1.5 hours. I never could understand where all that waste came from!

Sue
dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998

1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics

2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic

2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free


fruitgirl
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   Posted 4/6/2009 10:25 AM (GMT -6)   
All of the waste comes because your colon is inflammed and can't properly absorb water. So, it goes out with the poop instead as pee. The urgency and lack of control is because of the inflammation. Once it calms down, you should be ok.
Symptoms began in November 2008, ~4 weeks after giving birth to my son.
Eased for ~3 weeks in December, possibly b/c of probiotic use?
Returned in January 2009 (with a vengeance), diagnosed with pancolitis on January 30.
Currently taking Asacol (400mg 4 pills 3x daily), Rowasa nightly, 40mg 30mg 20mg 15mg of Prednisone (quick taper), Culturelle probiotic, and Zoloft (25 mg).

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