Noises from the Upper Abdomen...all day

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ZLSJ
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   Posted 5/29/2009 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I know this is pretty normal for all of us but does anybody have this stuff happening throughout the day?
 
Yesterday was tough because I was running some training at work and I was holding in my BMs because I could not run off to the washroom whenever I needed to. Guts were just going "crazy". Those ones were painful. It was probably more embarassing holding it in and creating "all" those noises. I travelled back home last night and when I got out of the car, let out some gas and lo and behold...it wasn't just gas...yeesh!
Don't know if anybody has seen the e-mail joke of the Motivational Poster where it has the picture of the guy wearing his soiled white pants and the note down below "FARTS  you just can't trust them...." that was me!!
 
Then I get the other ones which don't seem to have any pain going along with them. Just the little noises, some gurgling, noises that almost seem to be like a timed thing where my left side just below the rib cage sounds like a mild gurgle for a couple of seconds. It does it every 30 seconds to a minute or so for a period then disappears. It often does this when I'm laying in bed.  Almost sounds like a small frog! None of these ones seem to matter whether I'm hungry, full or someplace in between.  
 
Anybody having these issues or is this more of an IBS thing? (which I supposedly have along with my Ulcerative Proctitis)

Post Edited (ZLSJ) : 5/29/2009 8:15:14 AM (GMT-6)


shakes3
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   Posted 5/29/2009 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Well I'm glad to see that you were able to hold a bowel movement when at work. I don't have that option. It's stop what you're doing you now you have 20secs to find a washroom. Some day's I get irritating sounds in my stomach like there's some evil creature in my gut. It's just the digesting part I guess. I'm guessing its caused by some off the things I eat. Other than that not much else I can tell you.
Diagnosed with moderate UC left side 2005
Salofalk 3pills x 3 times daily - No effect
2006 moderate to severe UC
Prednisone 25mg daily cycled down 5mg per week
Asacol 3pills x 2 times daily, remission achieved
2009 severe pancolitis
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quincy
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   Posted 5/29/2009 11:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Amazing you were able to hold it in! In that case, maybe no rectal inflammation/flaring, so could have been what you ate and stress causing the increased activity?

I, as of late, have had more active movement, but I've also been eating more "stuff", fruit,veggies, salad ...lol.

Lots of noise, 2 more bms but normal consistency.

Did you take the metamucil caps while you were away? Bentylol?

Basically, the noises are from whatever is in the gut being moved along. Depending on if the noise is in the small intestine or the colon, maybe....

I have had the froggie noises...I think they're funny. I'll press on that spot to move it along, and it stops.

Now, the other issues.....one cannot ever trust a fart, especially with lots of gut activity....and holding it in?? they're called sharts by the way, and having that happen is very humbling and embarrasing.


It's good you were at home, however.

Let us know how your appointment with the doc goes today.....Im interested in the reception of your queries.

quincy
*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


ZLSJ
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   Posted 5/29/2009 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi,

Just got back...

Positive for Helicobacter pylori

Positive for Occult Blood in 2 of 3 Stool Samples

Wonderful

More questions....


ZLSJ
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   Posted 5/29/2009 11:40 PM (GMT -6)   
The HP "may explain some of my issues.
 
Funny, she seems to be really concerned about the blood. It's not seeming to bother me much. (go figure) I told her what the results of the colonoscopy were and she had the report, then she was concerned because she did not have the pathology results. I said they indicated UP in the pathology. I phoned AM's receptionist to get a copy faxed to her and she checked and confirmed that the biopsies were just a confirmation of UP...no polyps or anything like that. 
 
So now I have to get ready to blast the daylights out of me with antibiotics....yuck. Lots of Probiotics I guess.
 
Any advice is appreciated as always!!

quincy
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   Posted 5/30/2009 4:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi...interesting, and I do believe that what AM should have checked you out for ages ago..sheesh. But good it's FINALLY done. Yes, it could answer some of the questions.

Does HP exist only in the stomach or also in small intestine?

So, how did she check it out...breath test?

Occult blood...is that meaning it's higher in the colon?

So, how are you feeling about this today? What antibiotic did she put you on?

Yes...definitley you need to be on probiotics....

Ah, the joys of our bodies going awry.

quincy
*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


houseguest
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   Posted 5/30/2009 4:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi I have IBS, and whats is belived but unconfirmed to be UC. I recently had a horrible bout that was some of the scariest days in my life. I got put on the VSL#3, and I seriously think it saved my life. I was very sick fealing, and the cramping went all day.

My insides were fealing damamged. I have other auto immune prblems but I have trouble beiving the immune sytem is what does this. As I have read. My rhuemitologist and GI are so cold and arogant, and busy you can get any answers that help get results.

Definitly get some VSL#3, I also take fiber because I quite going solid a few months ago when this all stated being a regular thing. Thats makes it worse. Ive had some ugly sings. I know somthing is worng and its only getting worse. Thanks god for the VSL. I felt like I had cancer of something. I sriously saw death coming its was that bad. Now just less than a week into the VSL and its wat better. Though a few dont seem to do quite as well. It took me fron dieing to better in a few day.


I dont know exactly whats wrong with me, But my doctors cant find it with test, buit I have something rhumatiod or such. I have some auto immune stuff that UC comes along with.
STRANGE I also tested mildly posotive for this gut thing, S. ceravisia IGA. It comes with
""celiac disease "intestinal death by wheat" yet when I had my upper scope, they said they saw no signs of it. And totaly dismissed this one of the few unusal test.

ZLSJ
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   Posted 5/30/2009 8:40 AM (GMT -6)   
This was from the blood tests done a while back. This goes to a different lab I guess. She sure likes to stay away from the Small Intestine stuff! This is in the stomach.
 
I guess the question I'd have is if AM was in there, would he not have noticed some inflammation or might it not present with inflammatiion? If he does not take a biopsy and it isn't inflamed the endo likely does nothing to show this. I'm starting to believe that though AM is a great doc, he won't stray too far off the main road so to speak unless he's forced too. I mentioned the stomach discomfort to him and he shrugged it off, mention it to the new doc, and she says, "oh we better get you tested for Helicobacter"....and here we are. 
 
Meds:
750mg Amoxicillin x 3 a day
500mg Clarithromycin x 2 a day
20mg Losec x 2 a day
 
That should either tune me up or wipe me out! Yuuuckk!!
 
Funny you mentioned the celiac thing Houseguest. I 'm still not 100% sure that I don't have issues there. (Had the bloodwork done in January but it came back negative. As Quincy says maybe it's time to cut back on the gluten/wheat stuff on my own to see if I can tell a difference.
 
As far as the occult (hidden) blood, she just just said may indicate why my ferritin levels are so low. I've been losing it without even knowing it. Normal blood that I was used to seeing early on in the UP is there very infrequently. But it may have been there all along and not noticed by me. (I try not to analyze every poo!) I'll tell you, the samples I took from were after I took the iron pills , there were definitley no signs of blood from my perspective.
 
I guess because my colonoscopy was relatively clean last year, the endoscopy was basically clear, I'm not getting as hung about this as I thought I would. But end of the day, something is causing some blood loss inside the GI world and must find out where.
 
CT is coming up and she is of the belief that no use chasing something else until we find out the CT Results. Reasonable I guess, seeing how it's now 2 weeks.

quincy
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   Posted 5/31/2009 3:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi...sounds as though you're back on track with some results. Hope the antibiotics will rid you of the H.pylori and that the process of using them is a smooth one.
I didn't realise it was found through a blood test....wow, learning a lot through your process..lol!

Any special times of the day to take antibiotics? Yep, seems heavy duty.   Any special requirements like drinking lots of water, with food, no food, no this/that/other????

You definitely need to make sure you're taking probiotics....

The occult blood reason should be sought...wonder if AM will take it up from there?
Maybe you could do the camera pill?????

Seems you got through to AM's receptionist....is this the same as his nurse?

So, how the heck do we pick up HP anyway?

I'm glad the GP put you on a PPI (losec)...that should help with some of the discomfort.

Keep us posted as to how you're doing....hope this is having you feeling better mentally and that the waiting game isn't as difficult.

I think it makes a difference when rejection isn't in the equation. You were right..there was something else going on..

quincy


*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 

Post Edited (quincy) : 5/31/2009 3:03:45 AM (GMT-6)


ZLSJ
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   Posted 5/31/2009 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes it can be a blood test or biopsy. As I said in the previous post, I would have thought he may have seem something in the endoscopy.
 
3 times a day for the antibiotics...lots of pills... too many to count these days.
 
I left a message (again) for AM's nurse and hopefully this time she may call back. Receptionist nurse are 2 different people.
 
I don't know that this is making me feel much better. I guess if colonoscopy was good last year I should be fine for anything other than an increase in Colitis issues or perhaps Crohns in the colon.
 
I hate second guessing the doctors all the time but I know something is not right with me.
 
How is your weekend?

quincy
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   Posted 6/1/2009 3:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Weekend was good. I was busy Saturday with hair, Sunday I went to visit my friend in the hospital. She has cancer pretty well spread (started with breast but is in liver/pancreas/brain. I'm sure they implanted an EverReady battery in her somewhere...she's been through a lot, and of course she is terminal...but hanging on with a bright attitude that's gotten her to this point anyway.

With her finally in the hospital, she's getting pain meds and fluid and food. Methadone. She went in only because of jaundice and pain.

She's having a gamma knife surgery done in her brain...don't know what that will accomplish...unless the doc sees no use to do it.
I encouraged her daughter (also a client) to talk with her father (yep, client) to find out what he wants regarding her being at home or in the hospital and to make definitive plans about future care...whether palliative should be in the hospital or at home, etc. No one talks about the plans....seems decisions as well as DNR is on the list.

She's always upbeat (although a control freak)...it's hard to know what to talk about, but once in the situation, conversation found the topics.

I'm saddened and conflicted, but this is also a new experience with someone whose will is strong. I do know I wouldn't have done all she's done....but that's more of a what if....

I've also been having chest "flutters"....doesn't really feel like anxiety, but maybe reflux can cause that feeling. It's been particularly bad the past few days, which is quite uncomfortable.
My neck is also not so good...and the pressure of the fluttery feeling has me feel like my head's going to explode....must go to the chiropractor.
 
Hey, maybe I'll ask my doc about h.pylori and if I could get tested...lol!
So, I think I'll be doing the Zantac twice daily for a while and see if it improves. I think I'll pursue this further with my GP if it continues.

Other than that....LOVE the weather (except the rain)

I hope the antibiotics do their thing for you fairly quickly....yep, lots of pills.  When will you be having another test to make sure it's been annihilated

Hope AM's nurse does get back to you....

I'm with you on the second guessing doctors...but maybe it's more the process of having to push till you get the answer. Hey, there's a few you got lately.

Regarding the c-cope last year....if all was clear cancer-wise, that's good.

Would you be enquiring to AM about the occult blood?

Hope you have a feeling better week!

quincy


*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 

Post Edited (quincy) : 6/1/2009 2:42:07 AM (GMT-6)


ZLSJ
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   Posted 6/2/2009 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to hear about your friend. Must be tough on the family as well as you and other friends.
Nice to hear she's upbeat about stuff, I think a person can find their way to being positive when required, or perhaps that is her personality through and through.
 
Chest flutters, I've never had those...don't think. Perhaps the chiro can straighten some of those issues out for you.
 
Apparently it is pretty common (HP) I think it is one of those things that can exist w/o symptoms for many people, whereas others have issues. Hopefully (for me) this is a case of me being one of those people who it bothers and I can have it eradicated with the antibiotics. Some of the symptoms are very similar to what has been bugging me. Probably won't hurt to get checked next time you do the bloods.
 
Nurse has still not called, spoke with admin lady today and she said she will personally pass on the message. Like I said before she was usually so quick in getting back to me, that this is now driving me crazy.
 
I'm thinking colon-wise I'm ok with the occult blood after a c-scope that showed all clear except moderate UP. The H Pylori does relate to ulcers which could also explain the blood. I have talked to several people in the last while who have had the occult blood and had test upon test and were never able to come up with a reason for it. 
My 3rd sample did not have it and I'm wondering if all the red meat was gone from my system for the 1st two (which were same day samples)...I know I had burgers 2 days before and thought I had waited long enough...perhaps I didn't.
 
Yes, I'd like to enquire to AM about the blood if the nurse would call back. In his c-scope report he indicated he would like to see me in a year which is now I guess. BUT, I have been in to see him several times since, as you know.  I'm just wondering if he'd take a peek up there with the sig scope?
 
Hope all is well with you today.
 

shortstuff1
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   Posted 6/3/2009 1:43 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi ZLSJ!

I know EXACTLY what you are talking about with the noises... I am in sales and daily have one on one appts where my colon or digestive track is just screaming awful noises. I get the response almost everytime that I need to eat something from outsiders listening. I had a customer with UC who actually recognized the sounds. He suggested to me that I try a prescription pill called Hyomax .0125 MG- It works fabulously!!! You take one or two tablets and they dissolve under your tounge. It seems like within minutes your noises go away. The bottle says it is for a spastic colon. It is a generic so if you have insurance, it is very cheap! Try this, I think you will find that you won't hear your little friend talking to you anymore :) I can usually shut it up with a couple of Hyomax!!


29 yr old recently diagnosed with UC in Nov 08. Taking Asacol 3 times daily and Steriod enemas 2 times daily. no children, very active;


shortstuff1
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   Posted 6/3/2009 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh and the Hyomax is also is for pain!!

29 yr old recently diagnosed with UC in Nov 08. Taking Asacol 3 times daily and Steriod enemas 2 times daily. no children, very active;


ZLSJ
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   Posted 6/3/2009 7:34 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been on antibiotics and Losec (for Helicobacter Pylori) for 4 days and I must say that the noises have simmered down a bit. Certainly haven't disappeared, but not quite as crazy as it was in the previous few weeks.
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