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Polly51
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   Posted 6/6/2009 7:50 AM (GMT -6)   
I have had ulcerated colitis for 9 years.  It has finally got to the point I am on remicade.  I sure hope it works.
My question is, does anyone have trouble digesting protein?  It seems to sit in my stomach forever. 
 
remicade first dose June 3
prednisone 8 a day for 10 days and then tapering

UC in whole colon
 
10 asacol a day
multi vitamin
calcium
Acidopholus caplets


Iamhealing
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   Posted 6/6/2009 8:21 AM (GMT -6)   
do you mean all types of protein? Beans? Lentils? Meat? Dairy? Eggs? NUts and Seeds? Tofu? All of them?

estelle :)

princesa
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   Posted 6/6/2009 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Look for a digestive enzyme with protease that helps with the digestion of protein.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999. Have been in remission for years with only a few minor blips.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine. Probiotics, vitamin D, fiber supplement and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice and l-glutamine for gut healing. Mostly grain-free and dairy-free low carb diet.
 
 


Polly51
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   Posted 6/6/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Well so far it seems to be red meats. Not sure about other proteins. Where would I find digestive enzyme with protease, I have never heard of it? Thanks for your replies.
UC in whole colon
 
10 asacol a day
multi vitamin
calcium
Acidopholus caplets


quincy
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   Posted 6/6/2009 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi...proteins should sit in your stomach longer and take longer to digest...that's what happens.

I do agree for you to try digestive enzymes. Your local nutrition/health store will carry them.

You might consider to buy a combination enzyme to digest whatever you do eat...

quincy
*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/6/2009 1:59 PM (GMT -6)   
You may want to limit your meat aswell, redmeat has proven very negetive for IBD sufferers...

there is an acid in red meat that actually promotes inflammation, just a thought..

Protein takes a long time to digest, its hard on the stomach as well,
I try not to worry about protein, a your body doesnt really need as much as most people are thought to believe, believe it or not, some people believe protein is a myth. Its a long chain of amino acids, broken down by the body to be absorbed, so many people believe why not just eat the amino acids instead. Thats kind of what I try to do...

there are pleanty of people who are fruitarians, and just eat fruit. nothing else, they have pleanty of muscle etc. so these people are my proof, also I was a fruitarian for about 3 months, and it worked wonders for me, I was pretty muscular as well. =]

quincy
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   Posted 6/6/2009 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
You know what.....don't take the advice to limit meat. Actually, I feel awesome after a steak.

Protein is necessary in healing of the body.....make decisions as to what you feel good with eating...if you follow too many rules, confusion and desperation can set in.

Yep, speaking from experience, and happy my doc said eat what you can...adjustments may be necessary, but meat is never anything I stopped eating.

quincy
*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/6/2009 2:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Im just speaking from experience, and research studies, wich have proven that remission rates have been achieved without meat in the diet especially red meat, and a much higher percentage flare up with higher meat in the diets then vegetarians..

protein is also very hard to digest, and the energy spent digesting these types of foods, can be used for our bodies to heal itself. ya know? makes sense.. protein is sort of just a big marketing scheme, I mean, as I said, its scientifically proven, that amino acids are what the body breaks protein down to, and its been scientifically proven that protein is just a long chain of amino acids linked together, and its been scientifically proven that our bodies Really dont need all that much protein to be healthy nor to build muscle, also been scientifically proven that eating vegetarian diet has ultimatly lead to a higher success of remission in IBD patients, also been scientifically proven that soy is also hard to digest, and may be a common allergin in IBD patients, along with gluten products. It takes about 4 to 6 hours for meat to leave the stomach, so you it would make sense that you wouldnt feel like crap right away, but that over time the amount of energy for your intestines to break down the protein, and absorb the nutrients, you would feel discomfort most likely the next day, or couple days later.. when you cook meat at high tempatures, it changes the protein and alters the way it is absorbed. Ive read some studies that have reasearch to back up the evidence, that meat actually causes many to be anemic, and pushes many needed nutrients, vitamins, and minerals OUT of your body, from my understanding, the kidneys, liver etc..
So, just somthing to think about, and obviously since its not common to hear or believe this type of information, look it up yourself. Go to the library as I do, and read the many medical books and medical journals from thruout the years.. Ive done pleanty of research so I stand firm on my beliefs... also, I learn from experience, and what I see, not by what companies and pharmacutical companies tell me. I SEE much more atheletes on vegan diets, winning the olympics, body building competions, marathons etc. with much energy after the competion then I do athelets who eat enormous steaks and whey protein.. so just a thought.

Quincy, You said that you feel great after steak quincy, but arent you still in a flare? and loaded on all sorts of medications? just wondering how you think that makes sense, that your doing well eating those types of foods but still in flare and so many medications? tell me if Im wrong please..

Cfromutah
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   Posted 6/6/2009 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I usually eat some kind of meat, beef, chicken etc nearly every day and have been in remission for 3 years. But while flaring red meat did make things worse for me at times, but so did fruit.

quincy
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   Posted 6/6/2009 3:24 PM (GMT -6)   
herbalgerbals.....

No, I'm not flaring.

I'm on maintenance meds, however......but I'm not flaring.

I have no problems with the meds I take, which are still first-line after 20 years.

I'm not into scare tactics, however....and regardless of the information you've written, being vegan doesn't stop one from any illness, improving from illness or having a longer life.

I'm OK with you following your beliefs, but I still don't believe that meat is bad for us as I'm free to state.

Who cares if meat takes longer to digest....that's why we eat it.

There are all forms of protein, eat them all.....

I'm not an athlete, so whatever about what they eat. Many of them are obsessive and starve themselves anyway and will go to many lengths to maintain their perceived peak performance....sometimes at the expense of their own bodies consuming itself.

I have the same opinion about sugar.....do I overconsume it? at times? Do I notice worse symptoms...no.

Let's see how I'm feeling at this time.....I'm distressed and it's affecting me wholly to my core, because a long-time friend/client of mine is dying of cancer....most of her family are my clients and her will to live and high pain threshold has her struggling to the eventual bitter end.

Dealing with the emotional aspect of this....someone who is in my age group....someone who has been a vegan, followed all sorts of herbal regimens, was in massage therapy/cranial sacral work...and everything marked holistic....is dying.

I may flare because I'm conflicted as to what to feel, and I see no dignity in suffering to that extent. WE all die.

SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF A STEAK OR WHAT I EAT!!!!  IF I FLARE, I WELL EARNED IT!!!!!  AM I SCARED OF IT....NO....IT HAPPENS, THAT'S PART  OF HAVING UC CONTROLLED OR NOT. 

I personally don't have any control over people's obsessiveness about what they eat to control their symptoms....but if one piece of bread puts them over the edge, it's not the bread.

I see how the meds have done me well.....I'm percancer free, and so far the liver disease I have related to UC is still in early stages. I'll continue to trust my doctor who isn't extreme.....and I really do trust my instincts to say I can function very well and have never crap my pants in public.

If I want a steak with cheesecake and 8 cups of coffee....I have it.

Funny...no flare.

Anything else you want to know??? Continue the way you're going, for we all find our niche.

You're 20 years old, been on prednisone and you have experience to know it ALL? Sheesh, talk to me when you actually have experience.

respectfully,
quincy


*Heather* Status: maintenance Asacol 6 daily + Salofalk enemas every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 

Post Edited (quincy) : 6/8/2009 8:35:49 AM (GMT-6)


potty girl
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   Posted 6/6/2009 3:52 PM (GMT -6)   
sorry about your friend Heather, I know what it is like to watch someone with cancer. I hope to never have to do it again. I do have to say that beef bothers me every time I eat it but I also have ibs that may be the trouble but digestive enzymes do help a little for me. I try to stay away from beef most of the time.
Rona

synthroid .088 mg, lowpressor 50 mg x 2, cozaar 25mg x2, imdur 30 mg
nitroquick, proventol, plavix 75 mg, protonix 40 mg x 2, asacal 400mg x 9
carafate 1 gm x 4, zyrtec 10 mg, rhinocort aqua nose spray, fish oil,
potassium.


quincy
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   Posted 6/6/2009 4:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your kind thoughts, Rona. It truly sucks.

Anyone can have problems with some foods....if they bother you, don't eat them. It's subjective.

There are some diseases/disorders that don't go well with beef...gout is one because of high purine levels.

There are also reasons for perceived problems or slow digestion...such as reflux.

There are also things mixed with certain foods that can be perceived as causing troubles.

All in all...if beef isn't on your diet because you don't feel well after eating it...seems a wise thing to not do so. To me, after it's eliminated, you should be saying...I feel good and I can eat what I want since I assume you no longer want to eat beef.


quincy
*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/6/2009 5:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Quincy, There are no scare tactics here.

As far as being vegetarian/vegan and disease? True, I dont believe that being vegan, or raw will cure disease or is the almighty superior diet. I myself have started to eat some meat.
I do believe research, I believe the people I have spoken and shared experiences with, I believe my own experience, I believe evidence, research, studies etc.. (apparently to some, at the age of 20, you cant have valid experience, or wisdom)

I believe a vegetarian based/vegan diet can create a healthier gut, and a healthier body. Your body is in charge of healing. The food we eat are only tools. Evidence, research, and science proves that a vegetable and fruit based diet Does, Factually improve your chance of avoiding disease, especially of the gut, and this sort of diet can, Factually help clean out and heal the digestive system. Science, research and evidence also is showing more and more that the start of disease is believed to almost Always start at the gut, so I would imagine that Digestion is Very important, regardless of my age, this is what scientific research has been showing evident more and more.


Im not going to waste my time bickering with someone who thinks they are superior in experience or wisdom because of their age. Mentally you seem as dull as a rock.
I am 20, doesnt mean I have lack of experience, wisdom, education, or knowledge. I am motivated, dedicated, I read and research my opinions and ideas, to the core.
I enjoy helping people, and many people have benefited from my help, with results and relief.

Anyways, Good luck with your liver disease.

Polly51
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   Posted 6/6/2009 8:08 PM (GMT -6)   
It certainly has been an active discussion. So tonight I tried just veggies and it is still sitting heavy in my stomach but not quite as bad. I am headed to the doc this week and I will check with him. Thank you everyone for your input. Research seems to be the answer.
UC in whole colon
 
10 asacol a day
multi vitamin
calcium
Acidopholus caplets


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/6/2009 10:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Remember, doctors arent trained in nutrition. they are trained in medicine, and surgery.
They say that fruit and veggies are hard to digest with IBD and can make things worse.

Wich is true, with a raw, sensitive, and inflammed colon, you may get better results steaming veggies like zuccini, sweet potatoe, carrots, squash, etc. or spinach, eating romaine lettuce in moderation, and juicing your veggies,
however certain fruits like banna, papaya, mangos, blue berries, should do Very well, since they are not acidic, have seeds etc.

you cant depend fully on your doctors, my doc. told me that food has no impact on my IBD, Im come to realize I get more relief with what I eat then the meds I take. go figure, and these doctors are suppose to be experts...

fruitgirl
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   Posted 6/6/2009 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Blueberries have a sh!tload of seeds (they are small, but there are a lot of them) and are quite acidic. (and pssst, potato doesn't have an "e")

I generally don't comment when people ask what they should or shouldn't eat, because in my opinion, bothersome foods are highly individualistic when it comes to UC. Everyone should figure out for themselves if anything exacerbates their UC. I haven't noticed anything causing me problems yet, but I've not had UC that long and have been in remission for a very short time, so maybe I'll eventually find something.

Basically, I'm saying that when it comes to diet, everyone needs to do their own research.
Status: Remission since late May 2009!
Symptoms began in November 2008, ~4 weeks after giving birth to my son.
Eased for ~3 weeks in December, possibly b/c of probiotic use?
Returned in January 2009 (with a vengeance), diagnosed with pancolitis on January 30.
Currently taking Asacol (400mg 4 pills 3x daily), Rowasa twice weekly, Culturelle probiotic, and Zoloft (25 mg).


quincy
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   Posted 6/7/2009 12:17 AM (GMT -6)   
gerbal....LOL...sigh. I wish I were 20 and apathetic again...your kind words are overwhelming and make me feel so much better  rolleyes
 
I'll be fine, as usual, thanks for the concern.
 
Take care during that pred taper, however.
 
q


*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 

Post Edited (quincy) : 6/6/2009 11:34:04 PM (GMT-6)


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/7/2009 12:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I dont want to argue, fight, be in conflict etc.
I plan on visiting these forums regularly, and sharing experience and advice with fellow IBD peeps..
So, I will take this step quincy, lets not have tension between us..
Ill take this step, I am sorry for being rude, and look forward to being civil with possibly being with you. goodnight.

quincy
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   Posted 6/7/2009 1:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, maybe the planets must be misaligned because it seems many people everywhere are a tad touchy. haha.

The bottom line is balance....and we all seek that. Not to say it isn't a struggle, but it's never black and white.

Be well,
q
*Heather* Status: mild flare enemas tapered to every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/7/2009 2:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree, balanace is most important.. that is what Ive found with diet..
I was vegan for 3 years, ethical reasons at first, then health.
Now I have a total balance.

princesa
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   Posted 6/7/2009 3:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Many IBDers do well on a diet high in protein and healthy fats and low in carbs. There's plenty of research out there to support it, including whole books like Life Without Bread. It works well for me. However, IBD aside, there are some people who naturally do better on a high carb diet and feel miserable on high protein. As always, there is no magic bullet that works for everyone.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999. Have been in remission for years with only a few minor blips.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine. Probiotics, vitamin D, fiber supplement and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice and l-glutamine for gut healing. Mostly grain-free and dairy-free low carb diet.
 
 


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/7/2009 4:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Scientifcally, research and studies have proven for IBD sufferes, that a low protein diet has kept more people in remission, then people who are eating lots of meat and high protein based diets, also that dairy, and cooked eggs have sent more people into flar then those who are dominant in a vegetarian and fruit based diet...

I imagine I dont get more then 40grams a protein a day, I am very musclur, I weight about 140+lbs and I am 5'6ish, my energy levels are very high, I excersize daily, and my digestion is doing better with my diet then ever before..

Thats my experience..

When I was eating heavy protein, I flared.

fruitgirl
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   Posted 6/7/2009 4:20 PM (GMT -6)   
There's info out there to support both low and high protein diets (and heck, just about ANY diet you can imagine) because what works regarding food is individualistic. princesa does well on high protein and you do well on low protein. Remember that research can often be manipulated to show what the researcher wants it to...you have to consider the source when you're reading a research article.
Status: Remission since late May 2009!
Symptoms began in November 2008, ~4 weeks after giving birth to my son.
Eased for ~3 weeks in December, possibly b/c of probiotic use?
Returned in January 2009 (with a vengeance), diagnosed with pancolitis on January 30.
Currently taking Asacol (400mg 4 pills 3x daily), Rowasa twice weekly, Culturelle probiotic, and Zoloft (25 mg).


herbalgerbals
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   Posted 6/7/2009 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
How about experience, vitality, health, restoration.

Looking at the cultures, and the span of life, as well as range of disease, and death rate compared to the time of the cultures here on earth and there strength..
History plays an important role. You must remember, the older cultures, wich remain in great health, majority of wich are vegetarian and fresh fruit based diets, wich avoid processed foods, heavy meat diets remain to be more healthy, nutrient dense, strong, and disease free (as far as digestion and immune system is concerned) compared to the western societies of the world, wich eat in abundance, yet suffer from many diseases, and mal-nutrition... its all right there, doesnt take to much digging to research...

The majority of the world eat in a dominant fresh fruit and vegetable diet, and survive for quite a leangthy amount of time, with very little disease, and as far as IBD type of conditions are concerned, they rarely exsist..

quincy
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   Posted 6/7/2009 9:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Well...actually I don't see balance with the extremes I've been seeing on the boards lately...if it were simply food, it would have been figured out by now since it's the first thing everyone suspects.

The pendulum swings one way then the other.....eventually you'll find what I mean by balance. We think we know it until we realise it's not by grasping with our fingertips....how true that it's all about perception, either received or projected.

I think the planets are still misaligned....

quincy
*Heather* Status: maintenance Asacol 6 daily + Salofalk enemas every 3rd night
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~UC meds: Asacol (3 x2 daily); Salofalk enemas nightly for flares & taper to maintenance 
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed; Ranitidine (reflux);  Effexor XR 75mg(depression);  Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma) 
~vitamins/minerals/supplementsProbiotics....(Natural Factors Protec, Primadophilus Reuteri Pearls). @ bedtime
~various digestive enzymes as needed
~URSO for PSC (or PBC) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS"  worth it !!!
 

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