Refined Sugar and U/C?

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Susiebuddy
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   Posted 7/18/2009 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone~
 
  I was curious if any of you have had luck with cutting out sugar from your diet?? This is something honestly I DON'T want to do... lol...  I mean, I will if I have too, but I do have a bit of a sweet tooth and it's SO HARD for me to avoid sugar altogether... I'm not a junk food junkie by any means, but I do like to have the occasional cupcake or piece of candy....  I did give up soda and have cut down my sugar intake quite a bit already.. .but I Just can't seem to get over the hump of totally cutting it out of my diet!!!
 
  Oh, and I'm talking about refined sugars, like what's in baked foods and all the good stuff.... lol...  not natural sugar like in fruits....
Diagnosed with U/C  (Proctitis) January 31st, 2005, IBS on July 21st, 2006 
 
  Status as of June 30th, 2009 :  Flaring for the last 7 or 8 months with blood, mucus PAIN.....
Meds are: Prednisone 60mg daily, 
Apriso 4 pills 1x a day.. .YEA! 
I take Xanax when needed and Ambien for sleep... Which is every day and night with all this darm PRED..
Nexium in the am for heartburn due to Prednisone..   Culturelle 2 times a day...
 
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wrxBRAH
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   Posted 7/18/2009 6:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I had to cut down on sugar and fried foods from my diet when I was on 60mg of prednisone. It was definitely hard but worthwhile due to sugar and fried foods causing bad acne. Tbh I dont know how you can totally cut out sugar from your diet but as long as you try to avoid foods and drinks high in sugar content, youre golden.

mjw82704
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   Posted 7/19/2009 3:25 AM (GMT -6)   
I can't answer your question about sugar but I can share an interesting story with you. My Naturalpath told me to go sugar, wheat, and dairy free. I have done this for the past month. Well Friday I had had it. I decided to eat sweets and sugar and whatever I wanted. So I did. The next day I notice a horrible patch of dry skin in the corner of my nose that had not been there since I started the new eating plan. I had it before I started this eating plan and after I had a night of bingeing. Not to mention I had a horrific headache the next day. So my plan is to stay away from the stuff as much as possible. Good luck.

Melissa
Female, Left-sided colitis diagnosed at age 28 in 2001
Remicade stopped a major flare for me I am now off all meds except the remicade.


LuckyLindy
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   Posted 7/19/2009 10:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Cutting out refined sugar can help some, but honestly there's not much molecular difference between sugar and fruit. Fruit has sucrose, fructose, and glucose. Sugar is sucrose, which breaks down quickly to fructose and glucose. Sure, fruit is healthier because of the fiber and vitamins, but otherwise it's basically sugar. In fact, many fruits are often worse than sugar because fructose is poorly digested by ~30% of the population ... which leads to cramping/bloating/etc. Saying that fruit is "good sugar" is kind of like saying a candy bar would be healthy if you washed it down with a multivitamin and Metamucil wafer.

I cut out almost all carbohydrates, and immediately went into remission. When I eat carbs, I experience problems within 12 hours. Through a very low carb diet (almost no fruit, no sugar, no bread, no starches, etc) I've been able to remain drug free for 5 years. 5 years ago I was bleeding profusely even on 40-60mg of prednisone, and doctors wanted to remove my colon. The diet isn't fun, but for me it's much better than surgery or heavy doses of drugs.

daylight
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   Posted 7/19/2009 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I read somewhere that anybody who had a bowel disease could not properly digest wheats or grains, at the time I was having problems getting off the prednisone. I decided to go one day without eating any sweets or bread and it was like I pushed a magic button. It improved so much. A few days later I tried eating an english muffin for breakfast and after a bit I had to make a mad dash to the bathroom. I didn't think I was going to make it. I started eating rice bread and making things with rice flour and I was able to get off the prednisone and the other meds kept things under control for a while. Your diet doesn't control the long term outcome, but it definitely helps you live with it more comfortably. It is important to find out which foods you need to leave alone and do it to be as comfortable as you can.
Linda

LuckyLindy
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   Posted 7/19/2009 10:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Linda - I had the same experience at first. For whatever reason I became less tolerant of carbs over time. I first cut out wheat/grains (gluten), which cleared me up for a few months. The D and blood slowly crept back, so i gave up milk which helped for another few months. I didn't go into longterm remission until I cut out all carbs though (I get a little carbs from veggies, but that's about it). Every time I cheat I have problems though, so unfortunately it looks like I'll be on this diet for a while.

notsosicklygirl
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   Posted 7/19/2009 11:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I definitely cut back on sugars but I have not completely stopped.
 
I did the SCD diet for a few months and I didn't see much improvement. I actually didn't see any improvement at all... SCD doesn't allow any sweetners except honey.  I do avoid artifical sweetners and corn syrups. I don't think cane sugar effects my gut too much in moderation.
Diagnosed with mild proctitis in March 2007: Treated with Canasa (as needed)
December 08: Began treating with Asacol 400mg (9/day) + Canasa 2x/day - Anemic
May 09: Off Canasa, taking Asacol (9/day)
Back on Canasa every other night + Asacol (9/day) + Probiotics + Iron
Reducing to 6 Asacol/day + Canasa + Probiotics + Iron - So far so good!!! -SPOKE TOO SOON! Back to 9/day...


subdued
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   Posted 7/19/2009 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Susiebuddy, I have the same problem.

I've noticed:

1. The more I eat sugar, the more I crave it.
2. I crave sugar whenever I'm doing something that takes brain work. The brain says it needs sugar and now.
3. I don't crave sugar when I'm exercising.

Here is what I'm doing to help combat my sugar cravings:

1. Drinking water with lemon first thing in the morning.
2. Brushing my teeth whenever I get a sugar craving.
3. Eating a piece of toast with butter and cinnamon when I get a sugar craving.
4. Eating more nuts.
5. Eating bananas, pineapple, and berries (all aren't high in fructose).
6. Drinking herbal tea (Tension Tamer from Celestial Seasonings).
7. Taking vitamins.
8. Not eating/drinking anything containing artificial sweeteners.
9. Not drinking any caffeinated beverages.
Joy - 47 yrs and counting; Dx Colitis Dec 06 (also had IBS); Currently in remission

Figuring out how to reduce a flare or get into remission is a trial and error experience. Don't expect your GI to have all the answers. He was trained in making diagnoses, prescribing medications, and surgically removing the colon. He was not trained in alternative treatments. That's why they are called alternative treatments.

What works for me: Fecal transplantation, Probiotics, Anti-inflammatory foods, No HFCS, No foods high in fructose, No artificial sweeteners, No pro-inflammatory foods when flaring, Vitamins, Lexapro (for stress).


Old Hat
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   Posted 7/19/2009 10:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, baked goods are a huge temptation to me, too-- and in my experience, they can prolong a UC flare. Alas! I do better keeping sugar & fat consumption down in general. While on Pred it's even more important to watch what you eat in the way of treats-- so that you don't add a lot of unwanted lbs. / Old Hat (30 yrs with left-sided UC ... [etc.])

princesa
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   Posted 7/20/2009 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I've also had good luck cutting back on sugar and carbs in general. However, diet alone was not enough for me. Dietary changes combined with probiotics and other healing supplements did the trick.
Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis spring 1999. Have been in remission for years with only a few minor blips. Scope on 6/22 showed no inflammation at all.
 
Maintenance dose sulfasalazine. Probiotics, vitamin D, fiber supplement and fish oil caps. George's aloe vera juice and l-glutamine for gut healing. Mostly grain-free and dairy-free low carb diet.
 
 


Peety
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   Posted 7/20/2009 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I often stick to a low carb (sugar free) diet and it has helped my weight but not my UC.

When I'm on prednisone, I get uncontrollable cravings for sweet cake or donuts, and I give in to it. But the prednisone still does the job.
49 year old female attorney, diagnosed UC/pancolitis 1985, no surgery but much suffering. Asacol maintenance for 20+ years; used prednisone & Rowasa for flares.  Probiotics (Ultimate Flora, 50 billion), salmon oil (omega-3) when I can remember. 
August 2008 sought care of naturopathic doctor. Food sensitivity test showed wheat/gluten, other intolerances; eliminated wheat/gluten from my diet.
Bad flare in March, used prednisone. Humira denied, started Remicade 4/12 and doing great~ learning what normal is~ wow


mumbles
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   Posted 7/20/2009 4:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I am so glad that someone started this subject. I was just considering changing my diet to a low sugar diet, as it seems very healthy. Unfortunately I cannot find a good outline of what a good low sugar diet entails. How much is low, 10g, 20g, 30g a day?

LuckyLindy said...
Cutting out refined sugar can help some, but honestly there's not much molecular difference between sugar and fruit. Fruit has sucrose, fructose, and glucose. Sugar is sucrose, which breaks down quickly to fructose and glucose. Sure, fruit is healthier because of the fiber and vitamins, but otherwise it's basically sugar. In fact, many fruits are often worse than sugar because fructose is poorly digested by ~30% of the population ... which leads to cramping/bloating/etc. Saying that fruit is "good sugar" is kind of like saying a candy bar would be healthy if you washed it down with a multivitamin and Metamucil wafer.


I can't agree with that. Fruits have a lower glycemic load, so the sugars take longer to break down. Also fruits offer antioxidants in addition to vitamins and minerals that can help reverse the effects of toxins or oxidative stress. And isn't oxidative stress what we are really trying to cut down mainly in trying alternate diets?
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kim123
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   Posted 7/20/2009 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Here are 2 articles claiming fructose is not an acceptable sugar. Eating small amounts of whole fruit, however, doesn't seem to be a problem.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/11/13/fructose-part-three.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/03/26/fructose-part-four.aspx

LuckyLindy
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   Posted 7/20/2009 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
mumbles - you are correct that most (but not all) fruit has a low to medium glycemic index/load. This doesn't mean fruit is necessarily good though, particularly for UC. Fruit is not digested easily (hence it's lower glycemic index), which can result in increased "bad bacteria" growth.

The advantages of fruit is not the fructose, but the vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Fruit fiber often causes problems for those with G.I. issues, as does fructose, which leaves minerals and vitamins as the sole advantages. Since many (most?) UC sufferers already take multi-vitamins/minerals, fruit adds little quantifiable value.

Sucrose (sugar) actually doesn't have a high glycemic index either since it takes a little effort for your body to digest (it's not like glucose or starches, which are digested VERY fast). Sugar by itself is digested much more readily than fruit though, so less sugars make it to the colon to help spark bacterial overgrowth.

psychocolon
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   Posted 7/20/2009 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I have found a big difference with cutting down on refined sugar. Much less gas! I started the Fodmap diet which changes the way you eat sugar and I found it helped a lot. Refined sugar seems to upset an already angry colon.

mumbles
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   Posted 7/20/2009 5:46 PM (GMT -6)   
LuckyLindy- This is where the whole dilemma starts. If you eat foods that are high in glycemic load they are digested easier and faster, so less of it goes to the colon to create bad bacteria colonies. But if you eat foods low in glycemic load then you be healthier over all but promote bad bacteria. Its a tough choice between what is good for UC and what is good for your body, and where they overlap. My theory is that a diet that keeps you healthier in general will help guard against cancer and side effects of drugs, while a UC symptom help diet may not but it will make your symptoms less harsh, which in turn could guard against cancer and prevent the need to take harder meds. I don't know whats right it just all seems bad.
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1 Culturelle
1 Canasa
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1 Vitamin
50 mg 6MP
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UC Fighter
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   Posted 7/20/2009 6:22 PM (GMT -6)   

For those who have cut out carbs, do you eat any rice, or minimal amounts?

Post Edited (UC Fighter) : 7/20/2009 5:28:03 PM (GMT-6)


kim123
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   Posted 7/20/2009 6:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I sometimes eat organic brown rice, as at least it has good health benefits. I like the flavor better than white, as well.

LuckyLindy
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   Posted 7/20/2009 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
mumbles - I agree completely. Each person needs to figure out what works for him/her. I probably eat WAY too much protein/fat for my own good, but I'd rather do so then take a lot of drugs. Others may not mind the drugs, and would rather have a more balanced diet.

UC Fighter - when I'm following my diet, I eat ~20 grams of carbs per day. Usually low carb veggies (such as peppers) fill this 20g pretty quick, which leaves me no room for rice/beans/etc. If I do eat rice, it's one or two spoonfuls ... rice goes right through me.

Susiebuddy
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   Posted 7/21/2009 1:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Hmm.. this has certainly gotten interesting... I wanted to add.. what about Juicing?? My husband and I have purchased a Juicer and started using it every morning.. that way you are cutting out most of the fiber and bulk, and just getting the good juice and vitamins and good stuff... So far it hasn't bothered me at all..   For my Breakfast, I have one apple, 1 huge carrot, 1 or 2 celery stalks, a sprig of parsley and 1/2 of a tomato, through the juicer.. Tastes pretty good and so far so good..... and by the way.. I had a poopie tonight and didn't see hardly ANY blood...!!!! First time in about 10 months or so!!!! WOO HOO!! Maybe the PRed and Apriso Combo will do the trick~~!!!
 
 Plus, I started taking **** *** for active people..  Anyone familiar with Acai Berry?? LOADED with antioxidants!!
Diagnosed with U/C  (Proctitis) January 31st, 2005, IBS on July 21st, 2006 
 
  Status as of June 30th, 2009 :  Flaring for the last 7 or 8 months with blood, mucus PAIN.....
Meds are: Prednisone 60mg daily, 
Apriso 4 pills 1x a day.. .YEA! 
I take Xanax when needed and Ambien for sleep... Which is every day and night with all this darm PRED..
Nexium in the am for heartburn due to Prednisone..   Culturelle 2 times a day...
 
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LuckyLindy
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   Posted 7/21/2009 2:09 PM (GMT -6)   
If it works for you, great. I actually cheated the past few days and had some fruit, gluten free chex, and corn. Really came to bite me today, felt awful and had to make a "pitstop" in a cornfield while out on a run. First time I had blood in months, but it was also the first time I cheated for 2 days in a row in a couple months.

Lou95
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   Posted 7/22/2009 12:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Suziebuddy, that breakfast juice thing sounds like a great idea. But, I can't have tomatoes - they are one of the foods I had to eliminate and I MISS THEM LIKE CRAZY! I live in the south and was raised on tomatoes, so it's hard. I'm in a hurry in the mornings, so being able to juice and drink my breakfast sounds wonderful. Have you tried other combinations of fruit and/or veggies?
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pb4
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   Posted 7/22/2009 12:28 AM (GMT -6)   
High-quality, lean protein, like fish, shellfish, poultry and tofu
Anti-oxidant rich fruits and vegetables with a low glycemic index (will not spike blood sugar/insulin levels)
Essential Fatty Acids (Omega 3s and 6s) found in cold water fish like wild Alaskan salmon, nuts, seeds, and flax
8 -10 glasses of pure spring water per day
Anti-oxidant rich beverages such as green tea

These foods and beverages act as natural anti-inflammatories and help to maintain normal levels of insulin and blood sugar. Refined sugar isn't healthy, it helps create bad bacterial overgrowth and is linked to virtually all health issues.

I used to live on a bad diet that mainly revolved around processed foods/beverages, sugary foods/junk foods and from my experiances have noticed and overall difference (improvement) in my health and how I feel since eliminating them completely.

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Susiebuddy
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   Posted 7/22/2009 7:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Lou!

Yes, the Juicing thing seems to work for me quite well actually. I haven't tried a bunch of different juice combo's yet, but the juicer I got comes with a book of different receipies for different things, such as High Vitamin C drinks, energy type juice combos, stuff like that.. It works great and sure makes it easy to get your vegetables and fruits down without the hassle of cooking. I have tried Squash, which works pretty good, with apple and carrot and even a slice of Ginger... yummmm... Mostly though, I do the apple, carrot, celery, parsly and tomato combo in the am.. You can use melons, brocolli, cauliflower, just about anything.. All I know is if I simply ATE all the fruit and veggies that I juice every day, I'd be sitting on the pooper most of the time! LOL..
Diagnosed with U/C  (Proctitis) January 31st, 2005, IBS on July 21st, 2006 
 
  Status as of June 30th, 2009 :  Flaring for the last 7 or 8 months with blood, mucus PAIN.....
Meds are: Prednisone 60mg daily, 
Apriso 4 pills 1x a day.. .YEA! 
I take Xanax when needed and Ambien for sleep... Which is every day and night with all this darm PRED..
Nexium in the am for heartburn due to Prednisone..   Culturelle 2 times a day...
 
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