Should people with autoimmune disorder get the flu shot?

Should we get the flu shot?
15
Yes - 75.0%
5
No - 25.0%

 
New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
[ << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> ]

Peace&Harmony
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 1144
   Posted 3/3/2011 10:33 AM (GMT -7)   
I got the flu shot back in October. Now it's March and I got the flu! So if our immune system is already screwed up should we even get the flu shot at all? I'm not on any immosuppresant drugs. What really suck is my dad passed away this Monday and now I can't travel to attend the funeral!
41 year old female, diagnosed July 2010
flaring as of 10/15/2010,
Rectosigmoid up to 30 cm -mild
As of 2/2/2011 up to 15cm - mild to moderate
Apriso / Canasa AM & PM
Folic Acid 1 mg daily / Probotics / Vit D / Bene-fiber
Microgestin (birth control), Magnesium for leg cramp

beeswax
Veteran Member


Date Joined Dec 2009
Total Posts : 545
   Posted 3/3/2011 10:45 AM (GMT -7)   
I got mine. I think it is probably even more important to get it for us. I guess it does not treat all strains. Sorry you got it. Even more sorry about your dad.... Take care of yourself.
F/50; Present: Lialda 4.8 gm a day; Calcium; Vitamin D 50,000 unit once a week; Diagnosed UP 1993; Diagnosed UC 8/08; Diagnosed Osteoporosis 12/09; In The Past: Remicade-Asacol-Rowasa-Anucort-Canasa-Prednisone

Red_34
Forum Moderator


Date Joined Apr 2004
Total Posts : 23549
   Posted 3/3/2011 11:10 AM (GMT -7)   
The flu shot only protects against the three major ones for that season and does not protect us against all of them. There are many different variations of the flu. I always got the flu shot even before being placed on 6mp.

I'm very sorry to hear about your father. My condolences to you and your family.
SHERRY
Moderator-Allergies/Asthma and Alzheimer's, Co-moderator-UC
~Left sided Uc-'92**Unable to tolerate ALL mesalamines**
Colazal(9 daily)/6mp(50mgs)/Bentyl-Prilosec~allergies-Singulair/Zyrtec~Reynauds~OA-Tylonel Arthritis~Scoliosis~Sacroilitis~Dry eye-Restasis~GAD-Klonopin (.25mgs)~Rosacea-Metrogel/Elidel

Peace&Harmony
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 1144
   Posted 3/3/2011 1:15 PM (GMT -7)   
I recently saw an integrative doctor and he told me there's no proof that the flu shot work and to give the flu shot to a person with a screwed up immune system is like treating someone's broken arm by breaking their leg! Yea..the pain in your arm is no longer there but your leg sure hurts!

Also the flu mutates too. I heard Vit D works just as well. I stop taking my Vit D as it was a cheap brand name and my doctor advised me to not take it due to the additives in it. I'm waiting fro my blood test to come back to find out what to do next.
41 year old female, diagnosed July 2010
flaring as of 10/15/2010,
Rectosigmoid up to 30 cm -mild
As of 2/2/2011 up to 15cm - mild to moderate
Apriso / Canasa AM & PM
Folic Acid 1 mg daily / Probotics / Vit D / Bene-fiber
Microgestin (birth control), Magnesium for leg cramp

Dsm4life
Regular Member


Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 445
   Posted 3/3/2011 2:00 PM (GMT -7)   
The doctor also recommended the flu shot for me and i gave him a look. He asked "what is it?" I told the doctor my opinion, i said i am 30 years old and i dont feel i need the flu shot. I have a very health immune system when it comes to colds and such (i literally never get sick). Even as a child i never got sick. I would go years without having to call out of school sick. It use to get me so mad because my brother and sister always got sick days but never me. My mom finally recognized i was really never calling out and she would give me 3 "free days" where i could stay home LOL. I also believe the only true way to build an immune system is to get sick so i say bring it. No flu shot for me.

imagardener2
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jan 2010
Total Posts : 5600
   Posted 3/3/2011 2:34 PM (GMT -7)   
I always get the flu shot and haven't had the flu or even a cold in 10 years. I've also had UC for 10 years going on 11.

I missed my mothers funeral because 5 years ago when she passed I was in too bad a state with UC to travel. My brothers had to handle everything. I felt very bad. Those were very bad days with the disease for me and I know how you feel, but you can only do the best you can on any given day.
In remission April 2010 after 10 years of UC with no remission ever
Jan 2010 began SpecCarbDiet (modified to remove dairy, fruit & juices,)
Gluten-free=bleeding stopped in 3 days, 95% remission in 5.5 months on SCD
SCDiet: Gluten/grain-free, starch-free, low carb, honey as sweetener
(9)Balsalazide+(6)Citrucel, mesalamine enema as needed
Spinach daily, (1) VSL#3 nightly

IamCurious
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jan 2010
Total Posts : 3072
   Posted 3/3/2011 3:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Two interesting articles found on the internet. In my own experience I have had only one minor cold in the five years that I have been measuring my vitamin D levels.


www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/57335/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__Vitamin_D_is_a_flu_fighter
A little over three years ago, a San Francisco-area psychiatrist and several colleagues in other fields floated a provocative hypothesis: that a deficiency in vitamin D — the sunshine vitamin — might render people vulnerable to infections, including the flu. Now Japanese researchers offer tangible support for that idea. They show that vitamin D supplementation dramatically cut the incidence of seasonal flu among the children they followed.


momsagainstmercury.org/mercury.htm
During the manufacturing process of vaccines, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture. The final solution can contain the following additives in any combination: Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen); gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and autoimmune disease.

Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850 papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]

Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley’s research has established a likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer’s disease. [viii] In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of Calgary, Haley stated that “seven of the characteristic markers that we look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of mercury.”[ix
Male/59 DX ulcerative colitis Feb08, possible Crohn's colitis DX Mar10.
No Meds, allergic to Mesalamine. Remission since Mar10. Food journal instead of SCD. Psyllium seed + VSL3 especially helpful.

Boswellia, E. Coli Nissle (Mutaflor), turmeric, fish oil, S. Boulardii, OLE, resveratrol, multivitamin, extra D3, K2, C, high gamma E, magnesium, phos choline, glutamine. Lots of vegetables & fruit (but no plums), no soda, no HFCS, no trans fat, no shellfish, tea instead of coffee, watch gluten, few processed foods, no carrageenan.
Nature created all of the locks, therefore Nature has all of the keys

Primal
Regular Member


Date Joined Feb 2011
Total Posts : 67
   Posted 3/3/2011 4:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Vaccines are not good for you.
Diagnosed February, 2007
Tried David Klein's fruitarian diet, went on 60 mg Prednisone, Tried the SCD (specific carbohydrate diet) None of it worked. (Except prednisone for a bit.)
Tried Primal Diet by Aajonus Vonderplanitz, but couldn't stick to it. Finally quit drinking alcohol, coffee and tobacco, and am now on the Primal Diet 100%.
Remission since November, 2009

Peace&Harmony
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 1144
   Posted 3/3/2011 5:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Just got a reply from a friend on facebook:

No it doesn't help it is a big scam really! Takes lots of vitamin D, C and E and that is far better immune protection.
I have been doing a lot of reading up on these things.
You see with the flu virus ,it is changing constantly by the time they develop the shot there is a different form of flu out.
So it doesn't work and the safely of it is a very big question.
(with vitamins this is not a worry)
I ran into some info, recently actually, written from the Vaccine Assoc. that one of the possible side effects of the Hepatitis B vaccine is juvenile diabetes.
My husband and I have felt for years that the reason our son came down with diabetes was because of the vaccines they force
you to get for your kids.
-------------------------------------------------------------
also found this interesting article:

Many diseases cannot be cured by vaccines, however. The common cold and Influenza are two good examples. These diseases either mutate so quickly or have so many different strains in the wild that it is impossible to inject all of them into your body. Each time you get the flu, for example, you are getting a different strain of the same disease.

ref: http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/immune/immune-system13.htm
41 year old female, diagnosed July 2010
flaring as of 10/15/2010,
Rectosigmoid up to 30 cm -mild
As of 2/2/2011 up to 15cm - mild to moderate
Apriso / Canasa
Folic Acid 1 mg daily / Probotics /Energy Multi-Plex / Vital-Zymes Complete
Microgestin (birth control), Magnesium for leg cramp

Malkavian
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 1439
   Posted 3/3/2011 5:49 PM (GMT -7)   
The flu SHOT will not make you sick, unless you are allergic to it. The nasal spray contains attenuated virus, though, which can be a problem for a weakened immune system.

There's really no reason NOT to get a flu shot unless you are allergic to some of the ingredients. Especially if you're in a position where you don't have to pay for it.

It's most likely you're sick from a strain the vaccine does not include, or from something that produces similar symptoms.

I find it amusing that your friend thinks safety isn't an issue with vitamins and supplements. Overdosing on fat soluble vitamins can be a huge issue.

Thimeresol is not mercury, in the same way that table salt is not chlorine gas and MSG is not glutamate.

quincy
Elite Member


Date Joined May 2003
Total Posts : 29843
   Posted 3/3/2011 11:46 PM (GMT -7)   
I have asthma and UC. I've had the flu a few times in my life....and yes, even though I've had the flu shot.
What strains of flu did I have? don't know. But, if I had a mild form...can't imagine it any worse.

I'll get the shot yearly....I don't mind having some protection for the 3 that are most likely to kill or be spread quickly.
 
Of course they mutate, they're very efficient viruses...and because people who are sick travel and go to work, spread it around, don't wash their hands, etc.  It's easy to pick up from anywhere...
 
I think the reason that the H1N1 didn't spread as much as originally thought was because people actually gave a crap about their own hygeine to not get it or to spread it.  It worked...
 
We'll never be protected from flus or colds fully.  I also hear we never get the same virus twice...of either cold or flu. 
q
 
 
*Heather* I give suggestions, do with them what you will.
Status: ...Asacol 3 @ 2x daily; Salofalk enema @ 3rd night (nightly/ flares, tapered/maintenance)
~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~Bentylol 20mg as needed; Zantac 150mg; Pulmicort/Airomir (asthma);Effexor XR 37.5 (depression)
~vitamins/minerals/supplements; Probiotics....(RenewLife Ultimate Flora Critical Care+Primadophilus Reuteri capsules @ bedtime)
~Metamucil capsules 6 twice daily with meals; Vitamin D 4500 IU
~URSO for PBC(or PSC?) 500mg X 2 daily (LFTs back to NORMAL!!)
My doc's logic.. "TREAT (FROM)BOTH ENDS" worth it !!!

Post Edited (quincy) : 3/3/2011 11:53:14 PM (GMT-7)


bookworm21
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2008
Total Posts : 1766
   Posted 3/4/2011 5:47 AM (GMT -7)   
I'll second Malkavian and quincy. Yes, vaccines may not protect us from everything out there, but it is better to be vaccinated than not and they do not cause IBD, autism, etc.

I only started getting the flu shot after I got UC and haven't had the flu in several years.
Female, Age 22
Remicade, Lialda, VSL #3, Vitamin D, Calcium, Prozac, Biotin, Zyrtec, Bifera (iron), Imodium
New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
Forum Information
Currently it is Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:39 PM (GMT -7)
There are a total of 2,904,648 posts in 318,776 threads.
View Active Threads


Who's Online
This forum has 158156 registered members. Please welcome our newest member, Peeshi.
325 Guest(s), 9 Registered Member(s) are currently online.  Details
lynbrez, Lapis_29, john16, hammer8, astroman, spikel, snowboat, irish4me, straydog