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TheAnswersYouSeek
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   Posted 5/2/2013 1:09 PM (GMT -7)   
They are unhealthy when your diet is made up predominantly of them. Probably not as healthy if you bring chef boy r dee every day for lunch, or eat tuscani pasta every dinner, or even a couple times a week.

But if your diet looks like this every day you probably arent eating the healthiest all around diet.


Everything in moderation, even moderation..

Except when you are coming outta a flare.. then it's war and unfortunately in war there are some casualties. ;)
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   Posted 5/2/2013 3:34 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree, everything in moderation.

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   Posted 5/2/2013 4:47 PM (GMT -7)   
protocolteck said...
Hey Aguy,

I have read that if you reheat that type of RS, you will lose significant value. Remember, Pasta salad is cold and very tasty :)


Not reheating just letting it rise to room temperature and if you think about it is going to get to 98.6 pretty quickly once you swallow it ;)

Sooo I think those temps are ok, but anything higher reverses the whole point in cooling it. That is why I am avoiding putting hot tomato sauce on it and asked for advice on preparing 'cold' pasta, cannot think of much I can do besides dumping my tuna-in-olive-oil on it today.

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   Posted 5/2/2013 4:51 PM (GMT -7)   
PathogenKiller said...

Everything in moderation, even moderation..

Except when you are coming outta a flare.. then it's war and unfortunately in war there are some casualties. ;)


LOOOL !!!

Little Buddy
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   Posted 5/3/2013 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes I have been taking 2.4g per day. Maybe that's too much? What dose is everyone using?
38 YO Dx 9/2009 with left-side UC. Last scope 11/12 downgraded to UP.
Flare since 1/13. Started Uceris 3/2 and Rowasa. Lialda x 4.
Alt Treatments: Folic Acid, Calcium, Vitamin D, Olive Oil, Melatonin, Align, Zyrtec,
Diet = Spinach + SF + Resistant Starches
New: addded Sunflower Lecithin, Zinc and Sodium Butyrate 3/13.

twiggs
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   Posted 6/27/2013 8:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Why not just eat a semi green banana daily? It is not a bean and shouldnt cause gas. I am thinking this may be the easiest way to get some good RS without the winds! haha. I have been eating a banana daily for a while now but will try to have them greener than I have been. What do you all think? I found this list below. Seems semi green bananas are a great souce.
 
Examples of naturally-occurring resistant starch[8]
FoodServing SizeResistant Starch
(grams)
Banana, raw, slightly green1 medium, peeled4.7
High amylose RS2 corn resistant starch1 tablespoon (9.5 g)4.5
Oats, rolled1/4 cup, uncooked4.4
Green Peas, frozen1 cup, cooked4.0
White beans1/2 cup, cooked3.7
Lentils1/2 cup cooked2.5
Cold pasta1 cup1.9
Pearl barley1/2 cup cooked1.6
Cold potato1/2" diameter0.6 - 0.8
Oatmeal1 cup cooked0.5

delta30
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   Posted 7/17/2013 10:49 PM (GMT -7)   
what about raw potato juice? is this count as resistant starch? I've read it's very helpful with UC

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   Posted 7/19/2013 4:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I found this report: "The Resistant Starch Report" from Australia.

http://foodaust.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Hi_Maize-supplement_web.pdf
43 Year Old Male,
First flare up in 1998, dx 2001
Asacol for first 10 years, now Lialda 4/day, plus Canasa and Rowasa as needed. LDN as of Feb 24, 2012. Started prednisone 40mg 7/9/13, stopped 7/18/13. Started Uceris 7/17/13.
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Rick123123
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   Posted 7/19/2013 6:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, I was wondering if some one could tell me how to do the following as I dont have the book. For the SCD diet.

"Dried legumes must be prepared according to the instructions in the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle"

ewafromwarsaw
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   Posted 7/19/2013 2:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Do u take sodium butyrate along with vsl3 or any other probiotics? One person on the Polish forum said that butyrate taken together with a probiotic (much less powerful than vsl) caused her a total "revolution" and she almost ended up in a hospital. She learned about butyrate in England and took it "illegally" as in Poland doctors are very much against all types of supplements. I'd be also very cautious about pectin because in our case it irritates the colon and cold food is more prone to develop bacterias.

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   Posted 7/19/2013 3:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Rick,

Google "scd gas free soak" for details on preparing legumes.
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Rick123123
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   Posted 7/19/2013 6:06 PM (GMT -7)   
@Sean88

Does soaking them remove the starch? Or only the sugar?

sean88
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   Posted 7/19/2013 7:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Look here.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/legumes/nu00260

Gas-free soak. In a stockpot, place 1 pound of beans in 10 or more cups of boiling water. Boil for 2 to 3 minutes. Then cover and set aside overnight. The next day 75 to 90 percent of the indigestible sugars that cause gas will have dissolved into the soaking water.
Left side UC diagnosed 2009
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Meds - Colazal, Rowasa, Prednisone taper(currently @20mg)
Supplements - D 4000IU, Fish Oil, Multivitamin
Probiotics - VSL3 DS, SCD Yogurt, Kefir, Sauerkraut, Kimchi, 299v, L GG, BC30, L reuteri, L salivarius

Conquer UC
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   Posted 7/20/2013 4:36 AM (GMT -7)   
So anyone else experienced improvements on the RS diet?

What confuses me is if, say, UC is really bacterial/parasitis in nature then would something like RS alone be enough? Seems like it for you (aguywithuc).
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UC pancolitis dx April 2011 ~1 month after birth of my first child. Remission after a course of pred (hated s/e esp psychological ones!) .
Proctosigmoid flare Jan '12. End flare: Sept 2012. What helped? Prayer (lots) + Paleo and TCM diet, vit E & kefir grain enemas, Isatis cooling, Clipper, acupuncture, NZ colostrum, squatting, psyllium seed.

Gonk
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   Posted 7/20/2013 6:21 AM (GMT -7)   
After reading the Australian report, it looks to me like there really are very few decent sources of RS and that it would be very difficult to consume the requisite amount of RS through regular foods like beans and breads on a daily basis.
Unmodified potato starch looks to me like the most economical and efficient way to get RS in any quantity.
43 Year Old Male,
First flare up in 1998, dx 2001
Asacol for first 10 years, now Lialda 4/day, plus Canasa and Rowasa as needed. LDN as of Feb 24, 2012. Started prednisone 40mg 7/9/13, stopped 7/18/13. Started Uceris 7/17/13.
Supplements include: Fish Oil, Psyllium, Bosswellia, Turmeric, Bromelain, Vitamins C, D, DHEA

theHorse
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   Posted 7/20/2013 9:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi guys. Interesting topic. Have you seen the information over at Free The Animal. It isn't specific to colitis or IBD but there has been some interesting experimentation with RS and it seems supplementing with a cheapish raw potato starch powder could be a good way to go.

I think this stems from diabetics trying to find carb sources that don't spike blood sugar but there is some really interesting research and n=1 information. Here's a few links:

http://freetheanimal.com/2013/06/resistant-starch-now-were-getting-somewhere-and-talking-crap-too.html

http://freetheanimal.com/2013/06/resistant-starch-now-we%e2%80%99re-getting-somewhere-part-2-35-links-to-research.html

http://freetheanimal.com/2013/06/resistant-starch-an-overall-primer-with-references.html

Be sure to read some of the comments too.

aguywithuc
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   Posted 7/20/2013 9:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Gonk said...
After reading the Australian report, it looks to me like there really are very few decent sources of RS


Agree

Gonk said...
it would be very difficult to consume the requisite amount of RS through regular foods like beans and breads on a daily basis.


Disagree.

Last month an Irish team proved Vitamin A controls cytokines turning off inflammatory cytokines and turning on the healing cytokines.

www.tcd.ie/Communications/news/pressreleases/pressRelease.php?headerid=3128&pressReleaseArchive=2013

So I constantly make chili which is high in Vitamin A and include RS Navy beans.

1 lb grass fed beef
chopped cabbage
chopped spinach
chopped brocolis
cook beef and steam/boil veggies
combine with packet of lowry's chili
Add 1-2 cans of Navy beans

Kuner's Navy Beans

www.shopwell.com/kuners-navy-beans/canned-beans/p/7227313830?f=sr&nr=4482&sp=620

My daughter and I love it and I eat it every day which allows me to eat all kinds of junk food I have not eaten in 10 years. Choco ice cream, cherry coke, donuts its crazy. Prednisone is part of the reason why so as I taper off prednisone all the 'cheat' foods will also be tapered off.

1 .89 cent can of Navy Beans per day, some days just half a can is all it takes.

Down to 5mg prednisone from 70mg 7 weeks ago and I am also taking blood thinner coumadin but have had no blood since resuming RS diet 7 weeks ago.

Not going off the RS diet again.

Conquer UC
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   Posted 7/20/2013 3:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Aguy: glad you are doing so well!
So how many cans of navy beans would you say you need to eat per day? Divided over how many doses or can it all be eaten at once?
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UC pancolitis dx April 2011 ~1 month after birth of my first child. Remission after a course of pred (hated s/e esp psychological ones!) .
Proctosigmoid flare Jan '12. End flare: Sept 2012. What helped? Prayer (lots) + Paleo and TCM diet, vit E & kefir grain enemas, Isatis cooling, Clipper, acupuncture, NZ colostrum, squatting, psyllium seed.

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   Posted 7/20/2013 3:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Conquer UC said...
Hey Aguy: glad you are doing so well!
So how many cans of navy beans would you say you need to eat per day? Divided over how many doses or can it all be eaten at once?


The first time I was basically eating the beans alone or with butter and would wolf down half a can to a full can.

I got gassy. But this time ZERO gas.

When I quit RS I flared. Ever since then I have been applying VSL3 and Walgreens probiotic I have had no gas but I also eat them with other foods.

I ran out of both probiotics weeks ago but am still not gassy at all.

My favorite is the chili. Good for Vitamin A to control inflammation and has spinach in it and good amount of protein.

I make a big batch then I put the leftovers in little bowls and maybe one or two big bowls. Saran wrap and load into fridge for quick meals. Because warm beans still retain high RS I just nuke the bowl for 1 minute. I stopped the added cheddar/swiss because I am bodybuilding now that pred is exiting my life.

I normally have either a little bit of the chili with eggs 1-2 over hard at breakfast and a full portion of chili at work or during the evening at home.

I think there are days I have zero but most days probably 1/2 a can TOTAL and now nearing pred-zero I am kicking it up a notch trying to get a full can per day TOTAL.

Greenish bananas now and then and cold pasta now and then but Kuners Navy Beans handles my UC completely
- No urgency
- No blood

"Researchers at the University of Colorado Denver summarize these benefits in a review paper in the current issue of the journal Current Opinion in Gastroenterology."

RS can help:

    1-Kill precancerous polyps in the colon
    2-Prevent diabetes by improving insulin sensitivity and regulating blood sugar
    3-Maintain healthy body weight
    4-Reduce inflammation
    5-Prevent or treat inflammatory bowel disease
    6-Help promote the growth of beneficial bacteria in the gut

www.livescience.com/27515-resistant-starch-health-benefits.html

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 7/20/2013 4:56:38 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/20/2013 4:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Great! Maybe i should give it a go. Do let us know if you find that the beans help you cheat on food more after you quit pred.

I take psyllium seed powder, does this have RS in it? I remember you mentioning that it does but need to check...because i would rather just take psyllium seed powder or increase it if i feel symptoms coming on. But how much of it would equate half a can of navy beans?
26 yo Nutritionist
UC pancolitis dx April 2011 ~1 month after birth of my first child. Remission after a course of pred (hated s/e esp psychological ones!) .
Proctosigmoid flare Jan '12. End flare: Sept 2012. What helped? Prayer (lots) + Paleo and TCM diet, vit E & kefir grain enemas, Isatis cooling, Clipper, acupuncture, NZ colostrum, squatting, psyllium seed.

aguywithuc
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   Posted 7/20/2013 6:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Conquer UC said...
Great! Maybe i should give it a go. Do let us know if you find that the beans help you cheat on food more after you quit pred.

I take psyllium seed powder, does this have RS in it? I remember you mentioning that it does but need to check...because i would rather just take psyllium seed powder or increase it if i feel symptoms coming on. But how much of it would equate half a can of navy beans?


P-seed powder converts to SCFA butyrate, RS does as well but RS has all 6 of the health benefits I posted.

Normally 5mg prednisone requires strict adherence to SCD. But I am eating lots of yogurt with sugar in it and several times a day make smoothies with Odwalla C-monster and welches passion juice both of which are loaded with sugar and corn syrup. I start my day with almond poppy muffin and coffee and if downtown I also get a big apple fritter donut from 7-11. Been on pred many times but never at dirty like this, trying to clean it up to get my abs back and in general sugar inhibits muscle building. Protein going into smoothies and watering them down to increase hydration along with all the calories. The only thing I stopped was lactose free Bryers ice cream. Oh and still drinking cherry coke which is pure insanity while going to pred-zero oh it all to RS. Adding in 5-HTP since it stimulates adrenals. Just learned that today.

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 7/20/2013 7:15:55 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/20/2013 11:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Psyllium seed powder is awful to consume all around - taste, texture - but the actual seeds aren't bad at all, mixed into yogurt.

Meanwhile: anyone else here besides aguy (1) tried RS and (2) seen results?

Post Edited (matrices) : 7/21/2013 8:47:06 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/21/2013 8:54 AM (GMT -7)   
matrices said...
Psyllium seed powder is awful to consume all around - taste, texture - but the actual seeds aren't bad at all, mixed into yogurt.

Meanwhile: anyone else here besides aguy (1) tried RS and (2) seen results?


I stopped p-seed powder when I found RS for that reason.


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647628

Dietary resistant starch and chronic inflammatory bowel diseases.

These studies were performed to test the benefit of resistant starch on ulcerative colitis via prebiotic and butyrate effects. Butyrate, propionate, and acetate are produced in the colon of mammals as a result of microbial fermentation of resistant starch and other dietary fibers. Butyrate plays an important role in the colonic mucosal growth and epithelial proliferation. A reduction in the colonic butyrate level induces chronic mucosal atrophy. Short-chain fatty acid enemas increase mucosal generation, crypt length, and DNA content of the colonocytes. They also ameliorate symptoms of ulcerative colitis in human patients and rats injected with trinitrobenzene sulfonic acid (TNBS). Butyrate, and also to a lesser degree propionate, are substrates for the aerobic energy metabolism, and trophic factors of the colonocytes. Adverse butyrate effects occur in normal and neoplastic colonic cells. In normal cells, butyrate induces proliferation at the crypt base, while inhibiting proliferation at the crypt surface. In neoplastic cells, butyrate inhibits DNA synthesis and arrests cell growth in the G1 phase of the cell cycle. The improvement of the TNBS-induced colonic inflammation occurred earlier in the resistant starch (RS)-fed rats than in the RS-free group. This benefit coincided with activation of colonic epithelial cell proliferation and the subsequent restoration of apoptosis. The noncollagenous basement membrane protein laminin was regenerated initially in the RS-fed group, demonstrating what could be a considered lower damage to the intestinal barrier function. The calculation of intestinal short-chain fatty acid absorption confirmed this conclusion. The uptake of short-chain fatty acids in the colon is strongly inhibited in the RS-free group, but only slightly reduced in the animals fed with RS. Additionally, RS enhanced the growth of intestinal bacteria assumed to promote health. Further studies involving patients suffering from ulcerative colitis are necessary to determine the importance of RS in the therapy of a number of intestinal diseases and the maintenance of health.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistant_starch

Ulcerative colitis

Foods naturally rich in resistant starch may be beneficial in individuals with ulcerative colitis. One study presented at the 7th Congress of European Crohn’s and Colitis Organization (ECCO) meeting, Feb 16-18, 2012 in Barcelona, Spain found that resistant starch combined with wheat bran effectively treated ulcerative colitis.

www.ecco-ibd.eu/publications/congress-abstract-s/item/p208-abnorm.html

Abnormal fibre utilisation and gut transit in ulcerative colitis in remission: A potential new target for dietary intervention

Conclusions: Fibre utilisation in the gut of patients with UC in remission is impaired. High WB/RS supplementation enhanced fibre utilisation and normalised WGTT. As it is well tolerated, its corrective effect on fermentation and transit may translate into therapeutic benefits during remission in patients with UC.

Some people and some mice benefitted :

These studies were performed to test the benefit of resistant starch on ulcerative colitis via prebiotic and butyrate effects. Butyrate, propionate, and acetate are produced in the colon of mammals as a result of microbial fermentation of resistant starch and other dietary fibers. Butyrate plays an important role in the colonic mucosal growth and epithelial proliferation. A reduction in the colonic butyrate level induces chronic mucosal atrophy. Short-chain fatty acid enemas increase mucosal generation, crypt length, and DNA content of the colonocytes. They also ameliorate symptoms of ulcerative colitis in human patients and rats injected with trinitrobenzene sulfonic acid (TNBS). Butyrate, and also to a lesser degree propionate, are substrates for the aerobic energy metabolism, and trophic factors of the colonocytes. Adverse butyrate effects occur in normal and neoplastic colonic cells. In normal cells, butyrate induces proliferation at the crypt base, while inhibiting proliferation at the crypt surface. In neoplastic cells, butyrate inhibits DNA synthesis and arrests cell growth in the G1 phase of the cell cycle. The improvement of the TNBS-induced colonic inflammation occurred earlier in the resistant starch (RS)-fed rats than in the RS-free group. This benefit coincided with activation of colonic epithelial cell proliferation and the subsequent restoration of apoptosis. The noncollagenous basement membrane protein laminin was regenerated initially in the RS-fed group, demonstrating what could be a considered lower damage to the intestinal barrier function. The calculation of intestinal short-chain fatty acid absorption confirmed this conclusion. The uptake of short-chain fatty acids in the colon is strongly inhibited in the RS-free group, but only slightly reduced in the animals fed with RS. Additionally, RS enhanced the growth of intestinal bacteria assumed to promote health. Further studies involving patients suffering from ulcerative colitis are necessary to determine the importance of RS in the therapy of a number of intestinal diseases and the maintenance of health.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647628

In Japan, these fiber-filled starches are already being used to treat ulcerative colitis, while in developing countries it’s used to remedy chronic bowel issues. New findings show that resistant starch can combat pre-cancerous cells and scientists in South China are using resistant starch to coat drugs for tailored cancer therapies, where they can target specific zones of the colon. “There is promising data leading to the treatment and prevention of colorectal cancer,”

More than you want to know..

physrev.physiology.org/content/81/3/1031.full.pdf

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 7/21/2013 9:59:11 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/21/2013 9:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Meanwhile: anyone else here besides aguy (1) tried RS and (2) seen results?

I've been adding white rice and potatoes into my diet after years of not eating them. My goal is multi: slower transit time, reduce # BM's, increase mucousal lining. The first two seem improved.

I've tried sodium butyrate supplement in the past with little effect I could see.

My challenge is to eat these foods (rice, potatoes) in a cold version since i love mashed potatoes. Going to try and make more potato salad and rice pudding and possible gluten-free bread pudding. My gut does not like beans, even home-soaked navy beans, so that's something for the future. I think it's the fiber in them that causes me problems and yet that's what is good about them haha.
Current diet=modified Paleo (sm amts of swiss cheese and some fruit OK)
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gluten-free (bleeding stopped) and dairy-free (less gas) started remission path+food diary
current meds=(9)Balsalazide+(2)Citrucel,(1) VSL#3 nightly
Rx meds have never worked for me except for mesalamine enema

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   Posted 7/21/2013 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Ima, did you take 3 grams a day?

I am a big believer in butyrate. I still keep my starches low, so I can't be a testament to that. When I do eat starches alot of them are resistant.
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