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lookforcure
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Posted 8/13/2013 6:12 PM (GMT -7)
Hi guys,
bad news. The company I have placed my Mutaflor order sent me an e-mail saying that Mutaflor is actually on back-order until about mid of October and they cancelled my order.
I am very upset. To tell the truth I thought it is too good to be true.
So, no Mutaflor for me, at least until October.
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deltaforce
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Posted 8/14/2013 5:21 PM (GMT -7)

lookforcure said...

Natural Probiotic Formula (Probiotic-3) by Advanced Series, has 3 strains in it: Streptococcus faecalis, Clostridium butyricum and Basillus mesentercus. This probiotic produce butyric acid in the gut. I had to stop it. It gave me a lot of gas, cramps. Maybe the die off effect. I will re-try it later.


These strains are of a lot interest to me. I am starting Butyrate soon (hopefully from tomorrow) and if these bacteria produce butyrate then they should give me added bonus (in theory). Have you tried butyrate otherwise? I am trying to figure out if it was butyrate or any other actions of these bacteria that caused you so much.

Gas is honestly not much of an issue with me because I keep tooting as it is (I have accepted it as part and parcel of my life), so little more honking won't be that much an issue.


Somewhere else, you mentioned VSL#3 does not survive in the system. Actually, the thing is, if they stick around and the conditions are favorable, they will thrive. Because all these strains grow perfectly at 37C (body temperature), except yeast, I think, that is best at 36C. I am not too sure where you learned this from but if you know for sure, I would like read the source. (Not for argument purpose, I am spending a ton of money for that so better to know if I am just flushing down the toilet.)

With Mutaflor, which company managed to sneak it across the border for you? I want that too. Southern border patrol agents are looking for weed and the northern patrol agents are looking for Mutaflor. Seriously, WT F is wrong with FDA?

Thanks for all your input, really appreciate it.
Diagnosed March 2007 with left sided UC.
Currently on daily dose of,
Sulfasalazine 1.5gm, Imuran, 100mg, Vit. B12, 1mg, Multivitamin, 1 tablet, Fish oil 2400mg , Vit D 2000 IU, Benebiotics 2caps, Folic acid 1mg. Canasa

Verapamil 320mg for migraine, Migraine episode now at least 4X a month,
Nabumetone 750mg as an abortive, so far so good with GI side effects.
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lookforcure
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Posted 8/15/2013 7:27 AM (GMT -7)
Deltaforce,

I will not receive Mutaflor at least until the mid of October, it is on the back order.

Probiotic-3, that should help in production butyric acid, caused not just gas but more trips to the bathroom. It is possible my body was just trying to adjust to the "new guys" and it would get better, I do not know. I will try it again in a few days and see how it will go. I had a similar reaction to Saccharomyces boulardii (a tropical strain of yeast probiotic).

As far as I know psyllium seed powder produces a large amount of butyrate and I do take it every day without any major issues. So I do not think it is butyric acid causes the problem.

Read about psyllium seed ( a good info):

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/7/2/155.pdf

http://www.healthy.net/Health/Essay/Use_Psyllium_Instead_of_Metamucil/726

As for VSL3, I have read a few different articles about lactic acid based probiotics without stomach acid protection are not very effective in a sence of making it to the small and large intestines.

Here are some of them:

http://www.gutpathogens.com/content/1/1/19

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23215997

http://www.intechopen.com/books/probiotics/encapsulation-technology-to-protect-probiotic-bacteria

http://www.intechopen.com/books/probiotics/encapsulation-technology-to-protect-probiotic-bacteria

http://probiotics.mercola.com/probiotics.html

I am not saying that VSL3 is useless and none of the bacteria will survive the stomach acid, some will survive. How many of them I do not know. I can only tell you that when I took Mutaflor which has only 1 strain in it but it has a special enteric coating to deliver it to the colon, I knew 100% it was working by the end of the 1st week! By the way for the first 3-4 days you only should take 1 capsule of Mutaflor per day and after that only 2 and no more. Never had cramps, much of gas or diarrhea from it. This is how effective it is. Not so much with VSL#3. If I take more of VSL3, I will have cramps, gas and diarrhea. I only take 1 VSL3 per day and take either Prescript-Assist or another probiotic separately.

I hope my answer will help you. 

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Posted 8/17/2013 8:39 AM (GMT -7)
Was researching probiotics when I saw this forum and post. (Very informative forum and site - I'll definitely be on here frequently to keep up on Asacol replacement and treatment news). Has anyone taken doTERRA's PB Assist? I have been taking them for probably a year and have had great results. They allege to survive the stomach acid and make it to the gut.

From their website: PB Assist+ is a proprietary formula of pre-biotic fiber and six strains of probiotic microorganisms in a unique double-layer vegetable capsule delivering 5 billion CFUs of active probiotic cultures and soluble pre-biotic FOS (fructo- oligosaccharides) that encourages culture adhesion and growth. The time-release double-capsule delivery system protects sensitive probiotic cultures from stomach acid. PB Assist+ supports healthy digestive functions and immunities and is safe for use by all members of your family.
Dx 2003 w/UC after quitting smoking (age 34)
Normally flare 1x yearly
Last flare 3/2010 after birth of 2nd child, none since

Currently using up the last of my 400mg Asacol (4) 2x daily
Then switching to Asacol HD (2) 2x daily (took in the past)
Using PB Assist probiotic (1) 2x daily, Nordic Naturals Omega 3's, limited dairy
Have used Prednisone. & Canasa supp. to eliminate flares in past
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