Qing Dai - Chinese Herb Effective in Resolving Colitis

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TroubledTurds
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   Posted 2/10/2014 6:36 AM (GMT -6)   
what I really want to know is, how you say qing dai ?

is qing like kwing or king ?: and is it dai like day ? or DIE ? or maybe doh ;-)

tap
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   Posted 2/10/2014 7:03 AM (GMT -6)   
soystud said...
what I really want to know is, how you say qing dai ?

is qing like kwing or king ?: and is it dai like day ? or DIE ? or maybe doh ;-)

Sounds like "shing die" to me but you can check for yourself...

www.kamwo.com/help/herb/Qing_Dai.html

(Look for the speaker sign in the upper left)

TroubledTurds
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   Posted 2/10/2014 7:14 AM (GMT -6)   
sounds more like chsing die to me :-)

thanks tap - don't want someone to think I'm ordering a root canal instead of a bag of herbs !
diagnosed with pancolitis december 21, 2003
in submission - no meds
current supplements: vit D, cal/mag, Primadophilus Reuteri & GOL Raw Men, Wild Harvest Inflamma Shield -
no gluten, rice, corn, soy or sugar - just good, healthy food, lots of all natural well water, exercise, sleep as much as possible & enjoy this great life that God has blessed me with -

Levi
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   Posted 2/10/2014 7:43 AM (GMT -6)   
I got mine towards the end of last week.

I do have to say the amount of blood I've been having has decreased and decreased quickly after my first dose. I discontinued the WOO/T after going four time/day over a three day period and seeing no hard evidence of less blood.

My first dose was Thursday night so it is definitely too early to say if this lessening of the blood is due to the Qing Dai, a fluke, or other factors. Time will tell, but hopefully it's working. I've also notice much less of the black mucus-y substance (it is not blood) that accompanies my flares and has been pretty bad this time.

Is it still working well for some of you who have seen positive results?

A (very) side note on the shipping-we've never done international parts (except to Mexico) until last year when we had to start shipping to Taiwan. It does take a long time to get there. I looked up the last shipment, sent 12.4.13 and it arrived 1.28.14. It leaves here and goes to the Port of Charleston, sails to the Port of Los Angeles, sails to Hong Kong, then goes to Taiwan. Shipping has to cost a fortune, I just don't see how things are so cheap. I've read those tankers get 31 feet/gallon on their fuel economy. Probably not the same grade fuel-just cheap sludge hydrocarbons maybe, but still 31ft/gallon. I guess you can pack a million of those little Qing Dai bottles and spoons in a shipping container, haha.

arizonahiker
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   Posted 2/10/2014 8:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Sounds like it's pronounced: Ching-die-ee Only like soy said the beginning of "ching" sound like a mixture of "tsch" all said together. So it's really more like "TCHSING (one syllable) - DIE - EE." The Chinese language must be difficult!

Levi
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   Posted 2/10/2014 8:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Yea- it sounds like shing with a t thrown in the same shing syllable. Geez.

And can you imagine learning all those characters for the written form???
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

arizonahiker
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   Posted 2/10/2014 8:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Levi I got interested in this and started looking up how Chinese pronounce the "Q." It's easier than I thought. When we say "ching" the tongue is free, and not resting on our teeth. Now rest your tongue on the top, and just behind your bottom teeth and trying saying it. I guess I never thought of other language pronunciations as dependent on mouth/tongue position, but I guess that's a lot to do with it.

(Thanks to the Internet we can now even learn how to speak Chinese!!!) LOL

Post Edited (JohnPhx) : 2/10/2014 7:47:14 AM (GMT-7)


TroubledTurds
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   Posted 2/10/2014 8:51 AM (GMT -6)   
talking in whatever language is too much work - I think i'll take a vow of silence -
diagnosed with pancolitis december 21, 2003
in submission - no meds
current supplements: vit D, cal/mag, Primadophilus Reuteri & GOL Raw Men, Wild Harvest Inflamma Shield -
no gluten, rice, corn, soy or sugar - just good, healthy food, lots of all natural well water, exercise, sleep as much as possible & enjoy this great life that God has blessed me with -

aguywithuc
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   Posted 2/11/2014 8:42 AM (GMT -6)   
King Die = I dont die :)

Love this stuff. While pulling all-niter last friday with global team to migrate systems in Australia I kept drinking coffee and other stims to keep going. I was stressed too, but every time I consumed coffee/stims I had to run to the bathroom and each time it was perfect poop. I was amazed. Normal days its once in the morning and once in the evening. For having just tapered off prednisone that is darn good frequency and quality.

zucchini
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   Posted 2/11/2014 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   
I actually saw a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine yesterday. I asked her how to pronounce Qing Dai. It's like ching-die.

I asked if she'd make some up for me to try. Very interesting response to that one. She said that IBD and UC are complicated diseases, affecting multiple systems. You could take a single herb to treat one very specific symptom, but like western meds, you're not really addressing the entire systemic problem and eventually your body will figure this out and the problem will come back (because the system as a whole is still out-of-whack). She said Chinese herbs are never given as single herbs, but always as a mixed concoction to treat the whole system (yin-yang, and all that).

So she's mixing up a special brew for me that includes qing dai. Whatever it has, I just sure hope it works, because I'm in a flare that's getting worse rather than better. Grumble grumble.

garylouisville
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   Posted 2/11/2014 2:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Well. At least that makes sense.
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awareness72
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   Posted 2/13/2014 6:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I've tried TCM in the past.. and done the "brew the packets of herbs" for weeks at a time, and from different practitioners. Seemed to help in the short-term, didn't do much long-term. It was also costly and time consuming. They are always going to take the path of recommending the full TCM routine (herbal tea packets, meridian checks, acu etc.), over just handing over a herb. If the herb on its own works for some, then that's enough "proof" for me.
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therearemiracles
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   Posted 5/13/2014 8:07 AM (GMT -6)   
I just ordered some and keeping this post alive. Levi how did it work for you? I noticed you haven't posted since you ordered yours. Anyone have luck on getting out of a flare or pred with this?
UC since '05 and DX with chronic Lyme's in '10. Lialda, lexapro, trying Uceris .5asa never put me in remission. I eat well, exercise , pray and use my faith, but sometimes you still need medication. I tried without it, bad idea.i'm not out trying to save the world, just trying to make a difference, with a smile and a positive attitude :) a fighter in life!

aguywithuc
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   Posted 5/13/2014 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Great stuff and had a noticeable impact during flare, suddenly felt like lifting weights again at 1:00 in the morning. Helped get me off prednisone high dose long cycle which is what the study said it would do.

I have tons of it around the kitchen and at the office but the remission is going so well I dropped wheat grass mid-flare when bleeding halted, dropped Qing Dai 2 months after tapering off prednisone.

Focus is not on UC any longer but on regenerating cartilidge in basal joint after Dr gave me cortisol injection into hand and said I would need surgery. Looking good.
Ongoing
Medications : Asacol-HD
Supplements/Staples : Navy beans, Boiled eggs, Grass fed beef,Natural chicken, P-seed powder,P-husk, Butter, Olive Oil, Pasta, Qing Dai on weekdays

Flare Reversal
Wheet Grass powder only if flaring, Boswellia, More Psyllium products, More VSL#3DS, More Qing Dai

Levi
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   Posted 5/13/2014 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
I did notice an impact and it was working great, and I added it and kept everything else the same. But even with the DMSO I still can't get out of the flare I've been in since December. But...it's the mildest flare by far I've ever had...extremely small amount of blood and mucus (not every time) and going 3X more often than usual. AND this is the first flare I haven't added a conventional med to get over it (entocort, pred, new 5ASA or 6mp added in previous ones) so it seems to be helping.

I did get a little scared and cut back though because a TCM practitioner talked about how taking too much can have a 'cloying' (her word) effect and stick to the walls and make you worse. I told her I was taking two teaspoons/day and she said oh that's fine BUT I wouldn't do it really long term....
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

therearemiracles
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   Posted 5/13/2014 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
How much to take aguywithuc?
UC since '05 and DX with chronic Lyme's in '10. Lialda, lexapro, trying Uceris .5asa never put me in remission. I eat well, exercise , pray and use my faith, but sometimes you still need medication. I tried without it, bad idea.i'm not out trying to save the world, just trying to make a difference, with a smile and a positive attitude :) a fighter in life!

seaskyline
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   Posted 5/13/2014 7:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I appreciate all the info everyone has posted. I'm going to try the Qing Dai.
Found a Chinese herb shop that said they have it in stock, along with the other 2 ingredients in CCherbal.
So tomorrow I'm going to try to go there and buy some.

If it's the same shop that I went to years ago, in the international district, they will just have it in bulk, maybe not even in powder form (then I'll have to grind it up).

Hopefully it is the correct plant. I'll post my results after I try it.

My symptoms right now, do not include bleeding or frequent bm. My bowel hurts but there isn't much movement if I don't take psyllium and slippery elm. It feels like someone put rocks in there when I move around. Can't seem to taper off the 40mg of prednisone because symptoms get worse.

I have an appt for another CAT scan on Friday. GI Doc wants me on Remicade or Symponi. I soooo want to avoid that if I can.
Diagnosed Feb 2014
Gluten free since 1993 except for hidden gluten in 2010-2011 (then I started bleeding)
Current Rx: 30mg prednisone, 5mg coumadin
4/30/2014 Started Delzicole 3x400 mg twice a day.

Boswellian/Tumeric
Caprylic acid
Slippery Elm and psyllium seed x3/day
Magnesium Malate 400mg x3
VSL-3
4/30/2014 added Primrose oil 1300 mg x2/day
Jujube and Melatonin for sleep

seaskyline
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   Posted 5/14/2014 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
The Chinese herbal shop was cheap. Everything was $1/ounce.
The indigo came in a blue powder and I filled the outer capsules from the Delzicol so my mouth won't get stained blue. I took 2 of them, just now. Maybe I should take more?

Also got Costus root and Baical Skull Cap root, for $1/ounce each. These are in root form, not powdered. I wonder if I should just steep them as tea. Considering whether I should wait to see if the Indigo works or try them together now.
Diagnosed Feb 2014
Gluten free since 1993 except for hidden gluten in 2010-2011 (then I started bleeding)
Current Rx: 30mg prednisone, 5mg coumadin
4/30/2014 Started Delzicole 3x400 mg twice a day.

Boswellian/Tumeric
Caprylic acid
Slippery Elm and psyllium seed x3/day
Magnesium Malate 400mg x3
VSL-3
4/30/2014 added Primrose oil 1300 mg x2/day
Jujube and Melatonin for sleep

aguywithuc
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   Posted 5/14/2014 4:53 PM (GMT -6)   
therearemiracles said...
How much to take aguywithuc?


I use the spoon that comes with each brand and if I feel I need it perhaps 3 times per day, then when feeling better lucky to get on scoup per day.

Brand direct from china was little single serving pouches. Took 6 weeks last time so they lost my business.

jeanloup
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   Posted 5/14/2014 5:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm reading this thread thinking chineese medicine is great.
I would really love to speak chineese just to be able to go on baidu (the chineese big search engine ) to search for what they say to heal colitis, I'm sure they have plenty of natural treatments we are not aware of.
Their forums should be full of nice stuff and remedies.
Unfortunately I don't speak cn...

seaskyline
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   Posted 5/16/2014 11:42 PM (GMT -6)   
update:
I've been taking indigo for about 2 days.
Can't say it has made any difference yet.
Also taking a tea made from Costus and Baical Skullcap Root to round out the CCherbal ingredients.
no difference.

Maybe I need to take more.
Diagnosed Feb 2014
Gluten free since 1993 except for hidden gluten in 2010-2011 (then I started bleeding)
Current Rx: 30mg prednisone, 5mg coumadin
4/30/2014 Started Delzicole 3x400 mg twice a day.

Boswellian
Caprylic acid
Slippery Elm and psyllium seed x3/day
Magnesium Malate 400mg x3
VSL-3
4/30/2014 added Primrose oil 1300 mg x2/day
Jujube and Melatonin for sleep

ceecee600
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   Posted 5/17/2014 2:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I would also try wheat grass powder mix it up with water, not very great tasting but I do think it helps.
I am also taking qing dai daily 3 times if I remember, don't know if it has helped but I do think that wheat grass juice is very beneficial.
Carol, 53 years Ulcerative Proctitis dx 6/11, multivitamin, fish oil. , vit c, metamucil pills (2), VSL #3DS (half a packet a day), Wheat grass juice Ulcerative proctisigmoiditis 30 cm 2/14 presently on hydrocortisone enema every other night/21 days and generic colazal 3 x 3 day started nicotine patch 3/14

seaskyline
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   Posted 5/17/2014 8:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Carol,
I'm allergic to grass and gluten intolerant. So I think wheat grass would be off the table for me.
How much indigo powder to you take?
Do you make pills or mix it with water?
For those who mix it, how do you prevent turning your mouth blue?
my poop is bluish now.
Diagnosed Feb 2014
Gluten free since 1993 except for hidden gluten in 2010-2011 (then I started bleeding)
Current Rx: 30mg prednisone, 5mg coumadin
4/30/2014 Started Delzicole 3x400 mg twice a day.

Boswellian
Caprylic acid
Slippery Elm and psyllium seed x3/day
Magnesium Malate 400mg x3
VSL-3
4/30/2014 added Primrose oil 1300 mg x2/day
Jujube and Melatonin for sleep

ceecee600
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   Posted 5/18/2014 3:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi seaskyline, I take about a little less than a teaspoon and just toss it back in my mouth and drink a glass of water 3 times a day and sometimes 2. It doesn't turn my mouth blue or make me poo blue either.

I am not sure if it has helped but it hasn't hurt either.

As I said I do take wheat grass powder also and always eat a lot of spinach and apple sauce also. Apples are suppose to be good for your gut.

I am no success story though I am still on a weaning process of hydrocortisone enema and mesalamine enema. I plan to continue using the mesalamine enema after completely stopping the hydro and also twice a week a use the canasa suppository and 9 balsalazide pills a day.

I am also at this time in Aruba, Relaxation seems to agree with me! Maybe I should up and quit my job, but then how would I be able to afford all these drugs. lol

Hope you feel better soon.
Carol, 53 years Ulcerative Proctitis dx 6/11, multivitamin, fish oil. , vit c, metamucil pills (2), VSL #3DS (half a packet a day), Wheat grass juice Ulcerative proctisigmoiditis 30 cm 2/14 presently on hydrocortisone enema every other night/21 days and generic colazal 3 x 3 day started nicotine patch 3/14

MAMAHU11
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   Posted 10/7/2014 6:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I come back because this herbal change my son life, he has a new job and feel very well. He took this powder since February. I know every body is different but for him is successful.
I hope the same for you.
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