Qing Dai - Chinese Herb Effective in Resolving Colitis

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therearemiracles
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   Posted 8/7/2017 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
I JUST took only one (my BF is sitting with me now cuz I' have high anxiety starting something new)and see if I feel okay in a few hours, if okay after dinner I will take two.
UC since '05, now in '15 Mayo Clinic say Chrons/colitis and DX with chronic Lyme's in '10. No biologics work. Now on Stelara and love it!!Took rafaximin for SIBO, worked awesome!

eekseel
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   Posted 8/7/2017 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
One what? Isatis Cooling? It takes time for it to work and you have to take the right dosage. There are no known interactions with other meds so you should be fine sticking it for a while. A lot of people give up on it because they're not taking enough and giving it enough time to work it's magic.

therearemiracles
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   Posted 8/7/2017 1:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Yea only one tablet, but I'm working up from there.
UC since '05, now in '15 Mayo Clinic say Chrons/colitis and DX with chronic Lyme's in '10. No biologics work. Now on Stelara and love it!!Took rafaximin for SIBO, worked awesome!

eekseel
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   Posted 8/7/2017 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Good for you. It would be good to see more people trying qing dai on it's own since it's far less expensive and is the active ingredient in IC. Then we'd get a better idea how well it works for people on it's own.

MarjieKay
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   Posted 8/8/2017 5:11 AM (GMT -6)   
It sounds like 2 out of the 20 participants in this study had reversible liver dysfunction?

Just something to keep an eye on for folks with underlying issues......probably the same sort of risks are true for other medications UC'ers use anyway.

https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/444217
F, 51
2008 scope dx: acute proctitis
2017 scope dx: chronic UC (rectum & sigmoid)

Currently taking:
Pentasa, Rowasa
Advanced gut health probiotics, Primadophilis Reuteri, Benefiber, Digestive Enzymes
Avoiding sugar, processed foods & raw veggies.

Extras :
Ginger, vitamin C , vitamin D, cal/mag, vitamin K complex,
fish oil, homemade water & milk kefir

therearemiracles
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   Posted 8/8/2017 8:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Two isatis cooling pills this AM, went back to sleep for a hour, up now at work. No headache so far. Feeling fine. Thanks for listening you all. My husband, I"m sure, even though he doesn't say it, is probably sick of hearing the never ending talk of supplements and medications and my poops all day. I feel I can diary you all here and you listen. I just hate to burden him with this. I just got off a week of Florastor, 4 pills a day, I gave it my all. I didn't stop and I followed through, something that's hard for me to do sometimes. It gave me to much diarreah during the night. I thought the first couple days, wow I'm better, but nope. eyes smhair The week before that I was rotating antibiotics. No luck there either.
UC since '05, now in '15 Mayo Clinic say Chrons/colitis and DX with chronic Lyme's in '10. No biologics work. Now on Stelara and love it!!Took rafaximin for SIBO, worked awesome!

Patulsius
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   Posted 2/3/2018 6:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Indigo naturalis seems to be a powerful plant, TCM uses it to treat inflamatory and infectious diseases.

But, be careful. I would not recommend to anyone administer it by mouth since it has been proven to cause
gastrointestinal problems and liver damage in some cases.

I think it is much safer just using enemas.

Post Edited (Patulsius) : 2/3/2018 5:34:17 AM (GMT-7)


therearemiracles
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   Posted 2/3/2018 7:34 AM (GMT -6)   
THEY GAVE ME Great energy but did not help as I thought they were at first

BalS
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   Posted 3/22/2018 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
After reading many posts on healingwell, I decided to take the risk. However, after only one dose of 1.5g of Qing Dai, I had diarrhoea, vomiting and headache. This lasted about 36 hours. I was the unlucky one who had side effects. For those of you trying it for the first time I would suggest you try a very very small sample to test for side effects.

little_bear
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   Posted 3/26/2018 9:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I just ordered Qing Dai last week on Amazon after reading all the posts and success stories. It arrived in 2 days. Started Qing Dai on Saturday (2 days ago). It seems like there is less bleeding, but the color of the Qing Dai could also be masking some of the blood. I am new to HealingWell. I am happy to have found a community of people who are willing to share their successes and experiences. Thank you for being here and posting! I will post more on my progress after I've had more time to determine the result.
F, 43
Diagnosed with UC in '97
Was in remission for 12 years while only taking Aloe MP
Flared in July '17 and still in most challenging flare ever

Tried prednisone, Remicade and 6MP
Now taking 6MP and Entyvio (started 1/31/18) and lots of supplements and vitamins

HJQuinn
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   Posted 4/9/2018 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm jumping on the Qing Dai bandwagon! So excited! I ordered mine from CCHerbal. Just started it today. :o) I'm wondering if people who have bad side effects take too much or take it for too long? Anyways, I hope everyone keeps us updated because I've learned the most from this forum and I'm so grateful. I feel like I'm getting really close to finding something that works for me. I've had some success with glutamine, collagen, psyllium husk....through supplements and foods like cabbage and broth. Anti-inflammatory TNF blocking foods and I've been juicing as well. It would be so great if I could avoid medications because they haven't worked so well for me. So any suggestions are more than welcome.

eekseel
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   Posted 4/9/2018 2:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Patulsius said...
I would not recommend to anyone administer it by mouth since it has been proven to cause gastrointestinal problems and liver damage in some cases. I think it is much safer just using enemas.


That is misleading information. The studies did not show "liver damage" rather "mild liver dysfunction in rare cases". There's a big difference. Also there's no proof that qing dai enemas are more effective than taking it orally. An enema reaches only a small portion of the colon, taking orally reaches the entire colon. If you're going to discourage people from trying a cure, use empirical evidence, not scare tactics, and don't propose ineffective methods for taking it.

dagan
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   Posted 4/9/2018 3:02 PM (GMT -6)   
therearemiracles, I totally understand the spouse thing and places like this are good to say stuff that your spouse has had it up to their eyeballs in...

that's the thing with chronic illness, it doesn't just effect the patient but the whole family.

btw...have you ever tried flooding your body with 2 liters of coconut water a day? its a great hydrator and a natural inflammatory as well....throw in some coconut milk yogurt 2-3 times day and a swig of some coconut water with live probiotics every day, and you might have a recipe for success

I like to use mesalamine enemas to get rid of the blood, so then healthy drinking and eating can have a better chance

good luck, god bless

Post Edited (dagan) : 4/9/2018 3:26:28 PM (GMT-6)


Patulsius
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   Posted 4/10/2018 4:21 AM (GMT -6)   
eekseel said...
Patulsius said...
I would not recommend to anyone administer it by mouth since it has been proven to cause gastrointestinal problems and liver damage in some cases. I think it is much safer just using enemas.


That is misleading information. The studies did not show "liver damage" rather "mild liver dysfunction in rare cases". There's a big difference. Also there's no proof that qing dai enemas are more effective than taking it orally. An enema reaches only a small portion of the colon, taking orally reaches the entire colon. If you're going to discourage people from trying a cure, use empirical evidence, not scare tactics, and don't propose ineffective methods for taking it.

said...
Indigo naturalis may be administered both topically and by mouth. However, the long-term systemic application of this herb has been proven to cause gastrointestinal problems and liver damage. Adverse gastrointestinal reactions following Indigo naturalis administration have been reported in the literature and their incidence may range from 26% to even 96%. Some of them have even been reported as ‘severe’

Source: Traditional Chinese medicine herbs - are they safe for psoriatic patients?

little_bear
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   Posted 4/11/2018 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Qing Dai has helped me a lot. Bleeding has almost subsided, energy level has improved and I'm up a couple of pounds in weight. I started seeing an acupuncturist about a week ago. I showed it to him. He had no issue with me taking it and suggested I give it two months. I feel like I'm getting my life back again and am thrilled with the results so far.

HJQuinn
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   Posted 4/11/2018 8:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I started Qing Dai that I ordered from CCHerbal and I'm already seeing positive results! The first day I took 1, the second day I took 3 as directed on the bottle and it gave me a headache so I took Tylenol and it was fine. I am taking 2 today. Headache is the only side effect I know of and that can be remedied by reducing the dosage.

I had been having good results from foods like cabbage and broth that really helped with my symptoms and I even reached remission for a short time but then started slowly relapsing again. Since I started Qing Dai only 3 days ago my symptoms have greatly reduced and I'm starting to see formed stools again. They are still soft but much better with less blood and I'm able to eat a little more. I don't know if I'm supposed to see results this fast but maybe it's working well along with my juicing and vitamins.

I am not on any meds. I had the dr. call in a rx for steroid enemas but I haven't had to use them.

That's the latest with me. Would love to hear how others are responding to it as well.

eekseel
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   Posted 4/12/2018 2:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Patulsius said...

said...
Indigo naturalis may be administered both topically and by mouth. However, the long-term systemic application of this herb has been proven to cause gastrointestinal problems and liver damage. Adverse gastrointestinal reactions following Indigo naturalis administration have been reported in the literature and their incidence may range from 26% to even 96%. Some of them have even been reported as ‘severe’

Source: Traditional Chinese medicine herbs - are they safe for psoriatic patients?


I'm going on almost a year of taking Qing Dai daily. I had my blood tested for hepatic function after 4 months of continuous use and everything checked out normal. I just got my blood tested once again yesterday and the results once again came back completely normal for hepatic function. I wanted to hear the results before responding. I appreciate any scientific input as to the efficacy and dangers of the various remedies out there, including Qing Dai. I need to pick it apart further, but from the looks of it the citations include cases where Fu Fang Qing Dai Wan was the culprit, which is a mixture of herbs. It includes Isatis Naturalis along with many others. The main cause of the symptoms (rash, fatique, anemia, etc, etc) were a result of a lack of iron uptake due to chelation of the medicine being taken. There's just way to much to sift through, but in short more research needs to be done for this to be "proven" once and for all that isatis naturalis causes "severe" liver damage in "26-96%" of people. That is a very wide range, with a very limited number of case studies to reference.

Until we sift through all the evidence, we can only go by the consensus that it doesn't cause liver damage, let alone "severe" liver damage in the majority of people who have taken orally qing dai for long periods of times, and it's pros outweigh it's cons.

To be continued.

Post Edited (eekseel) : 4/12/2018 3:10:38 PM (GMT-6)


fishface
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   Posted 4/13/2018 1:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone in the UK managed to get this for a reasonable price?
Had UC since Nov 2011. Allergic to mesalamine. Can't take steroids. Some luck with VSL3 & l-glutamine. In remission since June 2013 via nicotine.
Flaring again 22 Jul 2016
Flare over 22 August! Hooray.
Flare III Jan 15 2018. Bah.

UCdee
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   Posted 4/13/2018 3:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I needed to post also. I use Qing Dai powder manufactured by Treasures of the East. I am having much luck with it. I am better on it then all the medicines I ever tried for my UC. I am on it for approximately one year. I hope other people will post their results too.

HJQuinn
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   Posted 4/15/2018 5:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Day 7 of Qing Dai. I am taking 3 a day now with no headaches but it almost seems like it's causing constipation so I probably need to drink more water or go back to two a day. It seems like it's working well, I'm able to eat most anything. The only things I avoid are red meat, raw veggies and coffee but nothing else seems to bother me now which is really exciting. There is significantly less blood so I'm hoping a few more days and that will be resolved. This may be the one for me. I'm not on any other medications :o)

HardEvidence
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   Posted 4/15/2018 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all, new to HW, and reading this chat with interest. First I've heard of Qing Dai. Not much commentary from the veterans/moderators...any thoughts (iPoop?).

@Marjiekay, how has this worked for you from your start a couple of years ago?

@Gonk @aguywithuc, did your initial positive results sustain over time?
Male 47, Proctitis since 1997, then Pancolitis 2005
Rx: Asacol 4x800 maint
Flare every 6 months now, may be moving to immune suppressant TBD

iPoop
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   Posted 4/15/2018 6:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Call me skeptical. I'm glad some are feeling better with this but I'd encourage them to get a flex-sigmoidoscopy/colonscopy with biopsies to show the inflammation is truly gone (that it isn't just constipation from it). The research isn't solid enough for me to recommend.
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HardEvidence
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   Posted 4/15/2018 7:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks iPoop...hard to imagine if it was such an effective remedy that it would not be more mainstream. Still curious to hear from those who took it in earlier years. Maybe they're feeling better and not logging in!
Male 47, Proctitis since 1997, then Pancolitis 2005
Rx: Asacol 4x800 maint, 9mg Budesonide
GERD: 40mg Pantoprazol
Flare every 6 months now, may be moving to immune suppressant TBD

eekseel
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   Posted 4/17/2018 11:30 AM (GMT -6)   
iPoop said...
The research isn't solid enough for me to recommend.


Pretty sure it never will be iPoop. It will never receive the millions in funding to research it to the degree that pharmaceuticals get. The ROI just isn't there to research a plant that grows like a weed. Until then we go by what little clinical research has been done and hearsay.

Of course get regular testing. Whether on meds or alternatives, get tested. The one most notable risk factor is liver dysfunction, which I've been tested for twice and passed both times. In a few months I'll test it again. I'm almost due for a colonoscopy and will report back here. We have a chronic illness, be smart, get tested.

HardEvidence said...
Thanks iPoop...hard to imagine if it was such an effective remedy that it would not be more mainstream. Still curious to hear from those who took it in earlier years. Maybe they're feeling better and not logging in!


It will never be "mainstream". There's a reason why fresh mountain air in a can isn't "mainstream" (except in some smoggy regions of China). The profit margins simply aren't there. Providers are seeing the opportunity though. A few months ago Treasures of the East Qing Dai was $35 a bottle now it's $65.... wonder why. Good news is there are still plenty of cheap sources out there, and it can be grown. More people are trying it and chiming in, but most people just will never be convinced. Without millions in research and a greenlight from their doctor, they will never be convinced.

iPoop
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   Posted 4/17/2018 12:27 PM (GMT -6)   
The usual counter-points I hear *shrug.* Hey, if it works for you then congrats, more power to you. However, I do not believe it's at the point to be a first-line treatment for all UC patients, just so many unknowns and Liver dysfunction is pretty darn serious, and that definitely deserves more research for safety. Those who are so inclined do try a great variety of alternatives with varying levels of research (from none to thin) backing their medical effectiveness with UC known for certain. Always an option if the standard medicines fail a given patient (most common reason to try them) or someone philosophically is against all pills.

Water, the most plentiful resource on the planet is how much when in a bottle and in a store? A profit could be made from a more concentrated form of Qing Dai if there was sufficient interest. I'm sure a pharmaceutical could find means to charge $1,000.00 a month for it and run ads on tv for it. Many meds started as plants or extracts thereof.
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Rx: Remicade @5mgs/kg/6wks; daily 75mgs 6MP, 4.8g generic-Lialda, and rowasa

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