Qing Dai - Chinese Herb Effective in Resolving Colitis

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HJQuinn
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   Posted 4/17/2018 11:08 PM (GMT -6)   
The medications normally prescribed for UC are dangerous. They come with cancer warnings etc. We have to have regular tests not just because of UC but because of the meds. I've been referred to a Rheumatologist and a Cardiologist because of Remicade side effects. I had a rapid tumor growth that had to be removed when I was on Imuran. I've experienced weight gain, hair loss, panic attacks, and depression to name a few side effects. I was in constant worry of infections from suppressing my immune system. If I was willing to allow infusions in my body that gave me drug induced lupus and pericarditis then I am more than happy to try a natural herb with no side effects that has been the best thing I've tried yet! It is awesome!

I had some constipation that was resolved today with a cup of coffee. :oD I am not sure Qing Dai caused the constipation, I am also taking fiber and I think I needed to decrease my fiber intake once I started eating better. It's all trial and error I suppose. Everyone is different but for me personally Qing Dai will be my go to from now on. I will still see my doctor of course and have regular tests.

And if for some reason it goes wonky and I get sick again I'll eat some humble pie and let ya'll know. I'm not trying to convince anyone one way or another. It's clear that everyone's experience with UC is unique. So yes hopefully anyone taking it will continue to share. I would love to just make it to 6 months with no flare. I'm keeping a food journal to document everything from now on as well.

For me, Day 9 on Qing Dai .....solid poo! No blood! :o) All I know is I feel better for now. Today is a good day.

Post Edited (HJQuinn) : 4/17/2018 10:19:11 PM (GMT-6)


iPoop
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   Posted 4/18/2018 8:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Common misconception that supplements have zero side effects: Tumeric/curcumin is a blood thinner and can cause issues, Qing Dai can cause liver dysfunction, and there's other examples too. As many supplements haven't been rigorously studied, there might be others that simply aren't known.

If the supplements market followed the same rules as pharmaceuticals regarding listing side effects on bottles, then they'd look no different than meds. As any adverse issue that occurred while studying the medicine is mandatory to be listed on the bottle, even if that isn't directly linked or possible from the med. If somebody got cancer while the Qing Dai was under way then it too would be listed on the Qing Dai bottle.

In the end, I don't think supplements are any different than meds in those regards. Our genetics and reactions to substances put into our bodies are so varied, that invariably some of us have allergies and adverse reactions to random and at times surprising things. Seasonal allergies, peanut allergies, seafood allergies, gluten-intolerances, dairy-intolerances and similar things are all examples of adverse reactions to natural things from the environment. Statistically speaking, there are people out there who will have an adverse reaction to Tumeric/curcumin, Qing Dai , LDN and pretty much any alternative out there. Not a reason to not take them, nor not take meds lol. Unfortunate anybody has an adverse reaction, but it's part of our genetic diversity and biology.

We all take what works for us and it varies for each of us: a medicine, a supplement, follow a diet, or some combination thereof. No one solution is better than the rest other than it happens to work for us. Can't say I like the 'holier than thou vibe' that persists sometimes from certain philosophy, or the assertion that one's solution will work for everybody (as nothing UC is universal in working for all). Not targeting any single person with this comment, but it is a generalized statement. UC flares suck and any solution should be celebrated, and solutions are as varied as we are as individuals. Cheers!
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, 40, UC Proctosigmoiditis
Rx: Remicade @5mgs/kg/6wks; daily 75mgs 6MP, 4.8g generic-Lialda, and rowasa

But you don't look sick... Trust me, if I looked like I feel, then everyone would run out of here, scared within an inch of life...

Post Edited (iPoop) : 4/18/2018 9:19:47 AM (GMT-6)


HJQuinn
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   Posted 5/5/2018 11:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Day 27 on Qing Dai. It's going really well. I am still experiencing lupus symptoms from the side effects of the Remicade. The inflammation irritated my lungs and I ended up in the hospital with pneumonia. It's scary to have to be on antibiotics because they are known to cause flares but I'm doing much better now. I stayed on Qing dai and shared it with the doctors. The pharmacist at the hospital researched it and approved of me taking it. None of them had heard of it but seemed really interested in learning more about it. My body has been through a lot and I was really afraid it would cause the colitis to come back but I feel like the Qing Dai is continuing to do it's job. I have no side effects. My bloodwork showed my liver function is perfect normal. I'm still really excited about it. If I can just get over the side effects of the Remicade I think I will be ok. I read that the drug induced lupus can last for months even after quitting the med. :o( Wish I had discovered Qing Dai sooner!

pmitra0123
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   Posted 5/14/2018 2:28 AM (GMT -6)   
For those of you having success with Qing dai, can you let me know which brand you are taking?

I am seeing a couple on amazon:

(1) "Health Concerns - Isatis Cooling"
(2) "Treasures of the East - Qing Dai"
(3) "CC Herabal" (this one is not on Amazon)
Diagnosed with pancolitis March 2012 - Tried all drugs - steroids, mesalamine, etc. Currently on Vedolizumab (new experimental gut specficic monoclonal antibody) Currently, my entire colon has healed except for rectum and recto sigmoid - these ares are the most stubborn for me - nothing seems to work there except for very high doses of steroids

fishface
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   Posted 5/15/2018 5:37 AM (GMT -6)   
For anyone taking Qing Dai powder (indigo naturalis) and having good results, what's your dose?
Had UC since Nov 2011. Allergic to mesalamine. Can't take steroids. Some luck with VSL3, l-glutamine and diet. In remission since June 2013 via nicotine.
Flaring again 22 Jul 2016
Flare over 22 August! Hooray.
Flare III Jan 15 2018. Bah. Eating sort-of-scd & using wheatgrass, VSL, psyllium & l-glutamine.

LiveStrong1
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   Posted 5/17/2018 4:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone, I came back and wanted to chime in. I posted about Isatis Cooling a while back when it started working for me. I am still in what feels like remission. I go once a day and sometimes my stools are soft, diarrhea like but no urgency or blood. I've been taking just 3 pills/day.

I was wondering if anyone who has been on Isatis Cooling or Qing Dai has gone back for a colonoscopy? I am thinking of doing so to confirm remission.


pmitra0123 said...
For those of you having success with Qing dai, can you let me know which brand you are taking?

I am seeing a couple on amazon:

(1) "Health Concerns - Isatis Cooling"
(2) "Treasures of the East - Qing Dai"
(3) "CC Herabal" (this one is not on Amazon)

HardEvidence
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   Posted 6/2/2018 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Have any of the posters who've recently felt better using Qing Dia done a colonoscopy to verify if inflammation had indeed subsided? Thanks.
Male 47, Proctitis since 1997, then Pancolitis 2005
Rx: Asacol 4x800 maint, 9mg Budesonide
GERD: 40mg Pantoprazol
Flare every 6 months now, may be moving to immune suppressant TBD

Petar
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   Posted 6/3/2018 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I live in Fujian, China. It says Qing Dai comes from here... I was just diagnosed 2 weeks ago... I might give it a try.

eekseel
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   Posted 6/7/2018 6:03 PM (GMT -6)   
It's been over a year for me. For the past 3 months or so I've been what I would describe as 100% remission. I haven't had any bleeding since the first two weeks of taking it, urgency went completely out the window after a month, however there was ongoing mild aching in the rectum and the sigmoid which lasted quite a while. A few months ago I started taking clove bud which I believe has addressed the remaining symptoms. I've been able to reduce the dosage of qing dai as well. I was taking about 3 grams the first 8 months or so and then took half that with no ill effects. Now I pop about 1/2 gram every day and even skip some days. If symptoms ever return I will return to the full dose of 3 grams (1.5g 2x per day) but I haven't needed to for some time.

It has been less than 2 years since I had my colonoscopy but I will schedule it at the 2 year mark to check. The one outstanding concern noted in the studies is liver dysfunction which I've been tested for twice now 6 months apart. There were no signs of hepatic dysfunction. I have experienced no side effects except over the first few months while I was adjusting to the supplement (weight loss, mild gastritis).

The formula type brands you find on amazon and elsewhere contain herbs that have not been clinically studied to help with UC. Not to say they won't help, but imho you're better off simply taking pure qing dai (aka isatis naturalis) on its own. You'll pay less money than you would on a formula, get more of the active ingredient for your money and there are plenty of suppliers on ebay.

Although I'm in remission I do not consider myself "cured". This is not a "cure". A cure is a treatment with a high rate of success for everyone. There is no guarantee this will work for everyone and there are risks to be considered before taking. Understand the dangers, get your hepatic function tested, and keep up with colonoscopies. I'm grateful that I found a combination of supplements that works for me and am now able to manage my UC without meds, but I can only speak for myself.

arronUC
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   Posted 6/8/2018 4:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Cool where are you getting your isatis from? I did Chinese herbal store but felt very uncomfortable trying to communicate and not sure the safety of what they gave me. Still I tried it and it was ineffective versus the options on Amazon.

fishface
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   Posted 6/10/2018 5:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been taking around 500 mg of qing dai powder every day for a week and can report that there's been no blood now for 5 days. I still have a slight feeling of urgency in the morning, but not run-like-the-wind urgency. I had some cramping after the first day, but it's subsided.

Disclaimer:
a) my flare was at a mild stage, although with previous flares, blood has always been the hardest symptom to get rid of
b) I'm also on prescribed probiotics and a fairly limited diet: small bowls of cooked veg + a soft protein, no grains, no processed food, no sugar, no caffeine, minimal dairy.

HJQuinn
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   Posted 6/13/2018 7:44 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been ordering Quing Dai from https://www.herbalulcerativecolitis.com/ The other herbs included with it are supposed to increase it's effectiveness. It has worked really well for me and it's an easy to take pill. Symptoms disappeared relatively quickly with no side effects and my liver has been tested as well with good results. I am very happy with it. :o)

jazzgtrl4
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   Posted 6/13/2018 6:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I dont know whats up but this Quing dai looks like it made my symptoms worse. after a few days of taking it i start having bad tenesmus and cramps in the morning and late afternoon. stopped taking it and the last two days have been wayy better? is it that? or is my CBD oil kicking in,,who knows. Just find it strange.
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Flying gal
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   Posted 6/19/2018 4:55 AM (GMT 0)   
On day 6 of CCHerbal. Day before I started Qing Dai i had 30 BMs and have been on 20 mg of Prednisone and 2.4 mesalamine for 2.5 weeks trying to get flare under control. I wasn’t doing well. Called my dr but he was hospitalized and when I Said I’m getting worse, nurse told Me to take Pepto Bismol and to wait for my appointment in 13 days. I also had sometimes with no warning when I had a BM. Wearing Depends.

Decided to start Qing Dai nothing to lose.
Day 1 everything felt calmed down. I had mucus and blood in my stools had about 6 BMs but with warning.
Day 2 still felt calm but had blood and a sense a urgency 6 times (However I had 3 BM of 6 were one right after another) BM’s formed but loser with each following BM.
Day 3 didn’t have BM and getting hopeful starting to think I’m in the 30% that responded to the herb in the trails data. I felt like constpated part of day but I’ll take it.
Day 4 less blood had 5 BM with sense of urgency but Had time to make it to bathroom. 3of 5 BM’s we’re right in a row.
Day 6 - good day and starting to think I may not need wear my depends soon. No blood on most BM’s just paper (TMI). I had cramping and warning for a sense of urgency so it worked out. It wasn’t like this prior weeks.
Day 7- blood only on paper.
Day 8 - no BM so far.

The 4 trails stated 30% responded to this protocol. @ Eekseel he said it took a month for sense of urgency to go away.

I’m happy with how my body has responded. I’m goin to admit I’ll probably be like Old Mike who has a cabinet full of stuff he’s tried that has been mentioned on here to try.

I’m still on Prednisone and the mesalamine. I’ve also been taking for 3 weeks probiotics, digestive enzymes, and anti-fungal things : coconut oil and etc.
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I was muscle tested for with CC Herbal and it tested well, that means my body accepted it therefore good percentage my body will respond to it.. My holistic practitioner really thought it was another wild goose chase I was trying and is very pleased with it.

Ok so far so good. Keep You posted.. Email me if you have any questions.

Post Edited (Flying gal) : 6/19/2018 11:06:05 PM (GMT-6)


UCdee
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   Posted 7/3/2018 10:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I had a colonoscopy today., after being on Qing Dai since last August. My doctor said I was much improved from my last colonoscopy (June 2017), and to continue doing what I have been doing. The only medication I continued has been llialda. I knew I felt so much better, but now I know my body is “healing well” too.

Jo-nock
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   Posted Yesterday 6:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Flying Gal, You are incorrect saying 30% only responded to Qing Dai. In the Japanese study pub' 2016, the results @2g/d after 8 weeks were 72% clinical response(ie symptom reduction) 61% mucosal healing) 33% total remission. So 72% responded. In fact in another study even better results were obtained with 1g/d for mucosal healing and remissions. There are lots of variables that could explain varying results for individuals such as diet, stress etc during the trial. Some people may also need more or less of the Qing Dai and longer to get the results. Also higher doses for short periods with longer breaks was very effective for proctitis.

Jo-nock
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   Posted Yesterday 6:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Flying Gal, Also I have posted about this before but if you didn't see it, I am certain that CCherbal now contains only Qing Dai and I measured the contents of each capsule at 750mg. So not only more than the 600mg they label it as, but that's just Qing Dai. I used CCherbal initially in 2014 and have used Qing Dai granules and other Chinese herb concentrate powders so I know that they only put QD granules in the caps now despite not changing their website info and the label. So just be aware I think you are taking over 2g a day if you take 3 caps. If taking CCherbal now I think 2 a day is more than sufficient if taken continuously for up to 2 months or until remission

Flying gal
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   Posted Today 1:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Jo-nock, thanks for going above and beyond with the follow up info. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you for doing that. If you’re ever in Southern California and want to go up in a plane and see the coast let me know.

I also re-read the studies and was happy to see that over 60% respond to Qing Dai who take it. I’m doing well and think I’m at the 30% mark. I haven’t been taking it lately cause I’m doing well. I’ve gained weight and am eating regular foods! Yea! I’m even cheating having some wine and have done well. I’m still on mesalamine. I’m able to function at work and go on vacation. Im still cautious about what activities I do though. After being crazy on Prednisone and eating everything in sight and acting like a lunatic (I probably would of eaten the dishes too). I’m happy to report I feel stable and getting nonchalant about taking my supplements. Good to know the break I’ve taken from Qing Dai was a good one.

Post Edited (Flying gal) : 8/21/2018 12:10:47 AM (GMT-6)

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