Wild Oregano/Thyme Oil results for Crohns-Coltis

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Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/21/2014 10:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Thought I should provide an update and change the title of the post for Google search results and such.

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I have been taking this daily for 4 months. I take the WOO/Thyme oil 3 times per day (1 Gelcap 3x Daily) - 1 when I wake up, one around 2pm and 1 around 5pm. I sometimes take it on an empty stomach, sometimes with food. (Doesn't bother me either way)

Every night I take a Renew Life 100 Billion Probiotic as well because it has l. Planterum in it (similar to Reuteri. Along with a glass of Kefir Milk. Sometimes I do this mid day as well - so twice per day. I sometimes take l.Reuteri as well, all depends on what the health food store has in stock.

about a month ago (or less) I added Bob's Redmill Potato Starch - I take about 1tsp or more in the morning and night just mixed with water or in with some orange juice etc. This helped a lot.

I try to eat "Organic" as much as possible, and switched cleaning stuff to organic, air filters/water filters and all that as well but I don't think that contributed much to the progress but who knows. I like the products better though.

Med wise I have been off Prednisone for 3 months now, which resulted in a bit of excessive mucus again for a week or two but slowly went away. I do still take 150mg/Daily Imuran.

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Results

No blood anymore
No urgency
Really big solid stool when I wake up every morning
Generally no more mucus - I've always had severe mucus
I can get through the day/night without issue
Visually I look healthier and not so thin as before.
I feel a LOT better
Dramatically increased food tolerance
My strength is returning fast (exercise wise/weight lifting wise)

Now not everyday is absolutely perfect (most are though), but I am without a doubt doing better on this than when I was on Remicade in my opinion. I have not seen mucus in the toilet in many weeks and I forget what blood looks like lol.. Haven't had that since I started except once midway through the treatment where I ate something that didn't agree with me but it was gone the next day and never came back.

I'd say I really and truly am 95% better, if not a little more. Working is no longer a problem. Though I do feel I have the odd IBS type symptoms at times but they are few and far between.

I stuck/and still do mainly to SCD cause it works for me and really I'm just used to making this food now and I like it. But over time on this treatment I noticed I could add more and more foods that before were otherwise intolerable. Examples being potato's, milk, nuts, fruits, corn these I have zero issue with anymore.

For me it took patience... In the beginning weeks there was some up's and down's and days with "D" or loose stool, or when things just didn't feel right. On those days I'd sometimes take an extra WOO/Thyme capsule later in the evening.

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Food Tolerance

So this has gone up dramatically as mentioned. Over the last two weeks things have been so good I thought I'd try some nightmare foods and see what the heck happens. I took a few days break in between each meal where I reverted to SCD and health eating.

Nightmare Meal 1:
Harvey's double burger with bacon and cheese
Poutine
Chocolate shake
Results: Perfectly fine and actually darn good poop the next morning. Was shocking in a way. I then reverted back to SCD for a few days after just to be sure not to throw myself in the wrong direction

Nightmare Meal 2: - This was the real test, haha..
Double big mac
McChicken Sandwich
Large Fries
Chocolate shake
Results: I didn't feel so awesome after, but sure felt full. The next day I felt really good but in the afternoon I had a bowel movement that was "D", then all was fine and the next day back to normal stool in the morning.

Nightmare Meal 3:
This was interesting, cause I haven't been able to tolerate Wheat in like 10 years...
A giant bowl of frosted mini wheat's with a ton of milk... This was just awesome tasting, haha... It's been sooooooo long.
Results: The next day I had great poop! Though I did have an extra BM in the afternoon which was normal as well. No blood/mucus which kinda shocked me,.

Nightmare Meal 4
Restaurant Chicken Sluvaki (no idea how to spell that) with rice, potato's, a slice of bread, and a side salad.
Results: Darn good poop the next day.

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Going Forward

I'm going to keep on this exactly the way I have been doing till the beginning of April when I have my GI appointment. I think I'll remain mostly Gluten Free but will probably experiment from time to time and see what happens/how I feel. The goal being to somehow try and get back to normal or as close as can be.

I was nervous at first about WOO/Thyme Oil making things worse or causing "collateral" damage as Path pointed out the other day. Same with being worried about WOO/Thyme Oil and being on Imuran. I don't think I'm worried about this anymore in the least bit.

Again it was all a long slow process, some days not so good poop, some days lot's of gas, some days "d" - but in general a lot more often normal than not, and the last two weeks have been like a dream - almost perfect poop once a day, no gas, no mucus. So I guess I'll see how the next two months go.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 1/21/2014 10:23:05 AM (GMT-7)


Levi
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   Posted 1/21/2014 12:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Mark-I already asked in your other thread, but in case you don't see it, can you please link the product you're using? If it's the one you linked in the other thread I tried, but the link was broken, and least when I tried it on this computer.
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/21/2014 12:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Levi

For me I use Health First: Orega-Supreme Gelcaps

Try www.healthfirst.ca and you'll find the product. Others have tried just straight Oregano Oil with mixed results - no one with full out UC seems to have seen as much benefit but I could be wrong on this - or perhaps it's the addition of Thyme oil in this as well that had the more positive effect on me.
Diagnosed Crohns-Colitis 9 years ago - Past Meds: Antibiotics, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran, Remicade - Current Meds: Pred 30mg/daily and tapering. Imuran 150mg/daily, Natural: WOO/Thyme Oil, All organic food no additives. Reuteri and Plantarum probiotics.

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therearemiracles
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   Posted 1/21/2014 5:10 PM (GMT -7)   
In the states there's no combo pill, your site there does not mail out that I can tell.any suggestions?
UC since '05 and DX with chronic Lyme's in 2010, (get tested by Igenix Lab) You have to be your own advocate in your health. 5-ASA no remission. Humira and Imuran didn't work. Asacol.

Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/21/2014 6:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Well - I tried to mail some to Lemon actually, but customs kept it and actually incinerated it lol. The only thing can think of is maybe going to a health food store and asking if they have the Wild Oregano Oil and a separate bottle of Thyme Oil. Then just mix them:

There's 26 mg Thyme oil 40 mg of Oregano Oil in each capsule.

I'm trying to think of another way. Maybe someone else has some suggestions as well. You could also just try just the Oregano Oil on it's own. But a few others with straight out UC didn't see much/any benefit I think. No one has said much about it.

Actually I'm curious how ummm Proto, Twigs and momto2boys as well as the others that tried it. I wonder if they are still having positive results or not. They were just straight Oregano Oil.

EDIT: Maybe I can meet ya at the border and toss it over - then you can run away real fast. haha

Levi
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   Posted 1/22/2014 7:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey miracles I'm going to check this out, I believe they had US shipping and it has the same SKU so I think it's the exact same thing.

The label isn't an exact match but I'm pretty darn sure that's the same thing.

www.foodsmiths.com/shop/product_view.asp?id=1876852&Storeid=afad58d0f8c44341bc87e842d9594b64&private_product=1

I don't always cuss but when I do it's because of complete bull**** like that. How do you know they incinerated it? Was that a joke or do you know that? Unbelievable.

I'm so glad I'm protected from evil Canadians and their schemes. I understand they hate us for our freedoms. Those customs agents probably saved poor Lemonhead's life from evil Canada Mark. /s
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

Post Edited (Levi) : 1/22/2014 9:07:33 AM (GMT-7)


Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/22/2014 9:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Does look like the same thing. You could always call/email the company to verify perhaps.

Haha

I'm actually serious...

I got a call from a lady at Purolator Courier - She said customs is holding it in ummm whatever city. She said they are going to incinerate it within a week or I have the option of them overnight air freighting it directly back at a cost of $120.00. I was like wow, that seems like such a waste and why only overnight air freight direct... Can't they just send it ground mail return as it's only a $20 item. No luck. Called customs - same story. Air freight directly back or in the incinerator it goes.

Standard practice for things that are not approved I guess (like certain supplements). Makes sense as what else are they going to do with it other than burn it. But got me thinking just how much stuff they must burn up each day as most probably don't want to pay the return airfreight.. Must be a ton.

A friend mentioned to use Fed-ex as they have better border skill when shipping things but who knows.
Diagnosed Crohns-Colitis 10 years ago - Past Meds: Antibiotics, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran, Remicade - Current Meds: Imuran 150mg/daily, Natural: WOO/Thyme Oil, All organic food no additives. Reuteri and Plantarum probiotics.

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   Posted 1/22/2014 11:43 AM (GMT -7)   
That's great Canada Mark!!! I wish you continued success with your improvement! I too did oil of oregano for quite some time and was really sad I didn't notice much of a difference in regards to my IBD but I still believe in the power of it, as I use it for the many other things it aids with, like skin issues and such.
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
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   Posted 1/22/2014 1:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Well we'll see how it goes I guess for the next few weeks. I'm (or I think we all are) getting used to getting 90% better trying something and then all of a sudden waking up one day a few weeks later and things are wonky again lol. It's so frustrating. Be it biological meds or natural approaches.

Really I chose this simply because of the addition of Thyme Oil and a few studies I ran across comparing Thymus Vulgaris to Vancomycin etc for the effects on E-coli. In Crohn's adhesive ecoli has become quite the suspect so I thought hmm why not give it a go... seeing as I have Crohn's-Colitis.

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The other reason I chose it is because of this - and this applies to people with clinically diagnosed Ulcerative Colitis

In Ulcerative Colitis there seems to be a high degree of response from Epithelial Cells - Epithelial cells produce a cytokine called IL-8, and this is generally in response to Flagellin (bacterial). There seems to be a big increase in IL-8 in people with Ulceratuve Colitis. IL-8 I believe is more of an Innate Immune Response as well, which UC seem to involve more of an innate immune response pathway than Crohns. Thyme Oil in higher doses seem to be a potent down regulator of IL-8 - so it decreases it quite a bit. So aside from the antibacterial effects is could be a good alternative to biologics by reducing pro-inflammatory compounds and helping to heal.

There's also a paper Old Mike dug up where they imaged a lot of bacteria adhered to the mucus just above the epithelial cells and sometimes directly to the epithelial cells in Ulcerative Colits. There's a few studies on the strong effects of Thyme Oil in reducing/eliminating bacterial adherence to epithelial cells.

So I think Thyme Oil in Combo with WOO might be a good thing for someone with UC to try - and this particular product seemed to have a good mix between the two.

Especially someone that maybe tried WOO on it's own and failed.

So I have to admit I'd be interested in seeing if someone with straight out UC would give it a go and see if they have any benefit from it or not.

Also, the real positive effects for me were not just overnight (except for blood reduction)... It's taken about 4 months.

I will say that yesterday morning I went to throw out the box of Frosted Mini-Wheats but then remembered how darn good they tasted the other day (I miss wheat and bread so much it's crazy) so out of science (and sheer lack of willpower) I decided to eat the rest which was half a box! So I had a half box of this with lots of milk, then I even had stir fry with rice for dinner a little later. No mucus, no blood... solid stool but not quite as solid as usual. It did results in about 5 trips to the can though - all solid stool versus 1 or 2 normally for me these days.

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A few studies ( just form google now) - but I could go through my bookmarks and find some better one's if anyone is interested:

Antimicrobial activity of the essential oils of Thymus vulgaris L.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10492476

Inhibition of Streptococcus mutans adhesion to buccal epithelial cells by an aqueous extract of Thymus vulgaris.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17927636

Antimicrobial Activities of Clove and Thyme Extracts
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074903/ - this one deals with Bacteroides fragilis and Fungus etc... all implicated in UC.

Levi
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   Posted 1/22/2014 1:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Mark

Wow...I didn't realize it was effective against AIEC. I'm going to have to do some research this weekend. The more I read in regard to Crohn's and MAP/AIEC the more I do not believe that Crohn's disease is an autoimmune disease.

I just don't know where somewhat ambiguous cases like mine (or yours-Crohn's colitis, right?) fit in on the spectrum.
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

imagardener2
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   Posted 1/22/2014 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   
I had no trouble getting this from Canada to Florida, pretty fast too.
www.nationalnutrition.ca/detail.aspx?id=6464
They charged 11.95 shipping and note that prices are in CAD which means use a credit card that doesn't add on a whopping exchange rate.

I used this for several weeks but after a while quit because of IBS reaction.
I would however take them again if needed because I do think they may have killed off some bad bacteria in my gut.
Before the Orega gelcaps I also took woo drops and had a similar reaction (IBS). Still using the woo as anti-bacterial on skin and as a mouthwash rinse.
(just corrected my Profile to reflect this)

Post Edited (imagardener2) : 1/22/2014 1:41:54 PM (GMT-7)


Levi
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   Posted 1/22/2014 1:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Well dang, that's five or six dollars cheaper than the site I linked.

They charged $11.95 shipping too-up to $150 for USA orders.
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/22/2014 1:49 PM (GMT -7)   
@imagardner - huh, that's interesting cause I mentioned I had/have some IBS like symptoms at times as well, especially in the beginning with this I was sort of all over the map - but over time they have decreased substantially. More so in the last two weeks. I'd say the IBS stuff lasted for about 3 months plus but ranged dramatically form day to day - sometimes none - sometimes gas - sometimes just uncomfortable - sometimes "D". Was weird in a way now that I think back about it.
Diagnosed Crohns-Colitis 10 years ago - Past Meds: Antibiotics, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran, Remicade - Current Meds: Imuran 150mg/daily, Natural: WOO/Thyme Oil, All organic food no additives. Reuteri and Plantarum probiotics.

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Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/22/2014 5:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Here Levi

I struggled for years not knowing what this ambiguous Crohn's-Colitis thing was either. Was I half Crohn's half Colitis?, should I post on the Crohn's Board or the Colitis board?, how do I explain to people what I have?... what the heck is it??? LOL... Then I stumbled on this a while ago and was like wow, I'm glad I read it. Now I get it. Or the difference. Makes it easier to understand what the Doc is saying.

First Principles of Gastroenterology: (Crohn's and Ulcerative Coltis Explained from your GI's perspective)
www.cag-acg.org/uploads/firstprinciples/z_pdf/EN_GAST_09B.pdf

Page 342: Clinical differentiation of ulcerative colitis from Crohn’s colitis

The first part is on Crohn's where it also explains Crohn's-Colitis. The Next section explains about Ulcerative Colitis.

Worth a read for people with Pancoltis and so on as well. Helps fill in a lot of blanks.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 1/22/2014 9:47:49 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/22/2014 9:03 PM (GMT -7)   
@Levi and others

I should also mention on this thread that I actually requested Pred and Imuran from my GI when I started it. For Pred I requested twice the length of a normal course so I tapered by 5mg every 2 weeks and Imuran at 150 mg/daily indefinitely (or till I feel 99% better) - this was for two very specific reasons: (I took the time to explain to him why) and he went along with it cause he was genuinely curious and he's cool like that :). He also followed my blood work weekly up until a month ago to make sure there was no issues - which there was not so now it's just monthly.

1) Old Mike had mentioned that Pred has been known to increase mucus thickness aside from other things so the thinking was to use this to build up a better barrier initially then taper off very slowly so I took it for twice as long as normal and tapered by 5mg every two weeks).

2) In Crohn's it appears that the bacteria (AIEC etc) are eaten (phagocytized) by macrophages. From here they prevent the macrophage from committing apoptosis (cell suicide) and hide out inside them to replicate where they are protected from the immune system until the macrophage "bursts" from being to full and they are released and infect more macrophages. It's been shown that Azathioprine (Imuran) induces macrophage apoptosis. So this is why I wanted to add it.

The thought being 1) To build up a temporary barrier with Pred and prevent more AIEC type bacteria or whatever from getting through 2) to try and attack them from the gut side with WOO/Thyme Oil and 3) To try and take away their method of replicating by using Imuran to cause macrophage apoptosis prior to them being able to replicate. The thinking was that over time all of these would help my immune system get ahead of them... and maybe even start to heal a little.

So for me I feel it was all of these things at the same time that may have helped.

So that is the whole reason behind this approach. Now I'm curious if it will continue to work for me or even work for someone else with Crohn's-Colitis.

EDIT - I also considered Remicade again or Humira, but settled on Imuran first as I felt if there was anything to this the best way would be to take away their primary means of replication (inside macrophages). But who knows really... This was just a last ditch effort cause I was running out of options...

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 1/22/2014 9:09:16 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/22/2014 9:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Great news Mark!

hey btw: i know there is another product called Bactrex (by metagenics) which is enterically coated and contains 100mg oregano oil and 50 mg thyme oil per capsule. And last ausgust i did a two week course of this and i was taking 4 capsules of that per day!!! Come to think of at the time i felt the best i had in ages.
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Proctosigmoid flare Jan '12. End flare: Sept 2012. What helped? Prayer (lots) + Paleo and TCM diet, vit E & kefir grain enemas, Isatis cooling, Clipper, acupuncture, NZ colostrum, squatting, psyllium seed.

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   Posted 1/23/2014 6:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Mark, Thanks for the pdf, I printed it out for lunchtime reading.

It seems everything I have seen on AIEC ties it more to Crohn's with ileal involvement. Have you seen anything connecting it the Crohn's colitis?

Either way, I'm hoping that 100 pc of cases can eventually be tied to either MAP or AIEC. There's a British doctor, John Hermon Taylor who is currently researching a MAP vaccine for Crohn's patients. He is having a very hard time getting any backing for his clinical trial, unfortunately.

Here's the first of a series of (terribly produced) Youtube videos in which he discusses MAP, Crohn's, and Johne's disease.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYuf5rnnQo

Here's a page with basic info on him

freeola.com/crohns.php



Here are the conflicting points I have had in my diagnosis roller coaster:

1. Initial colonoscopy 25 cm of pure severe inflammation, absolutely perfect at that point all the way to a cecal patch.
2. Prometheus serology 7 blood test confirmed 'Crohn's disease' The doctor was flabbergasted. Only one of the seven markers was Crohn's, not UC, and it's description is, verbatim, "ulcerative colitis like Crohn's disease"
3. More recent colonoscopy (sigmoidoscopy actually) found "two small discrete ulcers" in my ileum.

I used to be terrified that I might have CD instead of UC, but with the evidence of MAP/AIEC as a causative factor I'm not sure anymore which is preferable.
30 years old
Diagnosed 2009 proctosigmoiditis, 2010 Crohn's colitis, 2011 ileocolitis
Symptoms since 10.2007
Pentasa, 3g/day, 6mp 50 mg/day
Rowasa enema every other night
99.98 pc pure DMSO one teaspoon every day
VSL#3 DS two packet/day
Turmeric, boswellia, cat's claw, fish oil, vitamins D&E
Liver-Milk Thistle; Heart-Hawthorn, sometimes

Canada Mark
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   Posted 1/23/2014 7:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Haha - funny the crap we read on our lunches... I always have my nose in something IBD related. It's brutal.

There's a bunch of threads on here for AIEC if you search it - but my guess is you've read them all perhaps...

Old Mike has a great one on MAP maybe search that or perhaps he can post a link to it. Same with some of the mucus barrier threads.

It's interesting cause I seemed to have gone through the same roller coaster as you. Same with the severe inflammation up to a point.

The best IBD is no IBD.. lol.
Diagnosed Crohns-Colitis 10 years ago - Past Meds: Antibiotics, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran, Remicade - Current Meds: Imuran 150mg/daily, Natural: WOO/Thyme Oil, All organic food no additives. Reuteri and Plantarum probiotics.

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   Posted 4/18/2014 8:10 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mark

Just curious to know how things are since this post? The reason I ask is that having looked at some resources by Jinni Patel, I started taking Wild Oregano Oil 3 times a day, along with regular doses of Vitamin C powder. I've just ordered some Thyme Oil to go along with it.

Thanks

Kev

Canada Mark
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   Posted 4/18/2014 8:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Pretty darn good. I'd say ranging from 95-99% symptom free now. Some days it even seems like things are perfectly normal again some days are a little off but "off" in this case is nothing compared to what "off" days were like before. Of now means maybe I had an extra trip or two to the bathroom with solid stool, no blood or mucus or sometimes off is say a slight discomfort for a short while, that's about it.

In the past "off' days were 30+ times a day in the can with severe mucus, urgency, discomfort and some blood, and good days were maybe 10+ times with sever mucus, blood and urgency.

Keep in mind I take Imuran along with this. And my GI followed blood work and such (still does). I'd for sure say talk to your GI or regular doctor and at least get them to monitor things if you're adding time oil from an essential oil supplier of some sort.

What do you have? Crohn's or UC?

There's a better thread on the WOO - www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2902715
Diagnosed Crohns-Colitis 10 years ago - Past Meds: Antibiotics, Prednisone, Methotrexate, Imuran, Remicade - Current Meds: Imuran 150mg/daily, Natural: WOO/Thyme Oil, All organic food no additives. Reuteri and Plantarum probiotics.

“The only person you're destined to become, is the person you decide to be"

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   Posted 4/19/2014 5:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you for posting that research on the anti-bacterial and fungal properties CM. Really helpful. Reminds me of my Shakespeare studies from back in the day when we had to pick apart references to certain herbs and flowers and it was explained what ailments they were used for and how and why they were metaphors. So much of this was knowledge and is now forgotten.

I may have Crohns Colitis, there have been question marks several times but in the end they say UC, question marks because flares can be patchy, one biopsy out of many looked more like Crohns and there is some thickening of the bowel wall in the distal area.

I am cooking a lot with fresh oregano and thyme at the moment, grow them on my windowsill. I know these will only give small quantities but I hope every bit helps.

For those who cannot import without confiscation, you could get part benefit perhaps from homemade? www.morethanmundane.com/2012/03/15/make-your-own-oil-of-oregano

This guy is a bit different! /www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGA9TAvqXk

Post Edited (London Lurker) : 4/19/2014 6:18:08 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 9/25/2014 10:44 AM (GMT -7)   
"Also, the real positive effects for me were not just overnight (except for blood reduction)... It's taken about 4 months."
CM, May I ask, why did you keep taking it for 4 months? Did you know it would take some time? What are other peoples time frame with this treatment(carvacrol) generally?

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   Posted 9/25/2014 12:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Nice update Mark, so good to hear you're doing well.

I have tried WOO in the past but never for an extended length of time, 3x per day. MAybe I need to commit to a longer experiment!

I have to wonder, however, how something that is anti-mircobial "finds" only the "bad" microbes to kill….? And not the billions of good ones?

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   Posted 9/25/2014 2:48 PM (GMT -7)   
No particular reason other than I said to myself (and my GI) that if I see some success then I'll stick with it - then I started to see lot's of success, but not perfect so I wondered how long I should keep it up. So I thought I'd keep it up until I had a few months pass by with no mucus, no blood and formed stool - so no "D".

I have just finally surpassed a little over one full month+ of not seeing any mucus or blood and have had formed stool every time other than the odd reaction to me trying a food that I know will most likely cause issue - which results in a bit of D for a day and then goes away and I have normal stool. I think I've avoided those foods for a month+ now and the result is formed stool daily.

So I am now about a year into it taking Oregano/Thyme Oil Gel Caps 3x daily. The longer I stick with the more it seems to help. I have also reduced Imuran down to 100 mg/daily from 150 for the last 3 months with no negative effects or change in symptoms. Sometimes I add Cinnamon Oil to it as well just for the heck of it. I seem to do good with or without it, but it can be rough on my stomach so I do it for short periods.



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As far as how plants are selective - I suppose it's most likely because plants do not have an adaptive immune system like us - they just have an innate immune system that kicks in and starts producing proteins and such or the infected cells commit suicide in an effort to cage in the offending pathogen. Plants have been around a very, very long time, so one of their strategies is production of the compounds found in essential oils as these seem to confer antibacterial/fungal/viral properties. At the same time plants need certain bacteria - and some communicate with them to allow purposeful infection - So I would assume over many millions of years, due to not having an adaptive immune response (each cell has it's own immune system) that pants have "learned" how and what to produce to target certain bad bacteria - gram negative etc and be less potent to types of bacteria they need.

Just a guess... but makes sense to me.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 9/25/2014 3:59:59 PM (GMT-6)


Canada Mark
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   Posted 9/25/2014 2:55 PM (GMT -7)   
So basically all the symptoms of IBD that I'm used to for the last 12 years - Massive D, blood in each bowel movement, tons of mucus only bowel movements, pain and discomfort, urgency etc have completely disappeared.

What remains is a terrible food intolerance. So much so, that if I eat wheat, or tomatoes or rare cooked steak and a few other things, I will have D, multiple very thin stools (caused by inflammation) and if I eat to much I can even see mucus, but never any blood that I recall. Stay away from all trigger foods for 24 hours or so and things quiet down and go back to normal. - Problem I have is the list of "safe" foods is very, very, very small! So I tend to cheat and pay for it out of sheer hunger.
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