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Coffeencake
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:15 PM (GMT -7)
Interesting. That isn't what I'm seeing, it will be interesting to see what others say.
I knew there was info here about yeast, I've been doing some research and reading.
50 yr old female, possibly in slight flare
UC Dec. 2011, diagnosed indeterminate
Hiatal Hernia
Hysterectomy
Gallbladder Removed
Raynaud's
Asacol HD 800 1 pill 3x day
Mesalamine enemas
Anucort-HC suppositories
prednisone day-packs
Omeprazole
Lisinopril-HCTZ
Amlodipine Besylate (took temporarily for Raynaud's)
Multivitamin, vit C, calcium/Vit D
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:19 PM (GMT -7)
It sounds like you are describing Pus if its liquid completely...
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Coffeencake
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:22 PM (GMT -7)
That's what I wondered from the beginning. When the yeast thing came up I didn't know for sure.
Completely liquid. I had the mucus gel pieces before I was diagnosed and started meds.
50 yr old female, possibly in slight flare
UC Dec. 2011, diagnosed indeterminate
Hiatal Hernia
Hysterectomy
Gallbladder Removed
Raynaud's
Asacol HD 800 1 pill 3x day
Mesalamine enemas
Anucort-HC suppositories
prednisone day-packs
Omeprazole
Lisinopril-HCTZ
Amlodipine Besylate (took temporarily for Raynaud's)
Multivitamin, vit C, calcium/Vit D
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laughingduck
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:24 PM (GMT -7)
Ya I've always suspected I have some sort of yeast overgrowth, long before I developed uc. I'll be speaking to my doctor next week about those tests your recommended pk. One thing that confuses me is that I never get yeast infections or anything, which I would assume would be common in someone with yeast overgrowth? I just have all the other symptoms. Anyway, I hope to get properly tested once and for all!
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laughingduck
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:25 PM (GMT -7)
Actually mine is more liquid too, I think. I guess I should take a closer look. It's so disgusting though! I really look forward to the day I just have a normal poo and don't have to go inspecting...
Trying to end a 3 year flare, very slow progress.
Sulfasalazine 2.5g, salofalk enema, started 1.5mg LDN Feb22/2014
AIP diet (Autoimmune Protocol)
Supplements:turmeric, fish oil, vsl#3, slippery elm, boswelia, psyllium seed
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Coffeencake
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:28 PM (GMT -7)
It is disgusting. I thought about taking a picture with my phone so I could magnify it....I did not take the pic. My life can be so weird!
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:29 PM (GMT -7)
Laughingduck, I've never had a yeast infection either. I said the same thing to my doc. I guess my vagina has great flora, unlike my gut ;)
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Coffeencake
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:30 PM (GMT -7)
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:31 PM (GMT -7)
You guys are normal, I HAVE taken pictures and magnified them. My husband couldn't deal with giving me a second opinion live, in person so he requested I take pics. I'm so glad I don't have to study my poop anymore.
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:34 PM (GMT -7)
Also, I started a thread once on here about this exact same thing.. pus vs mucus...where I had to defend that white liquid from the buttocks does not mean you have a raging infection, it just means your intestine is ulcerated and shedding white blood cells. You may not see blood because its trying to heal, but the pus instead.
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Coffeencake
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Posted 2/28/2014 4:35 PM (GMT -7)
That's good to know!
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toomuchpoopin
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Posted 2/28/2014 5:27 PM (GMT -7)
Coffeencake, you said "Completely liquid. I had the mucus gel pieces before I was diagnosed and started meds." This is exactly the same for me. I'm having solid turds but still this white liquid afterwards. It's the same colour/consistency as my salofalk enemas (I'm not using right now so I know it's not just the enema coming out-). I've been saying "mucus" to my GI and he shrugs it off. I see him next week, I'm going to say "pus" this time and see if he changes reaction.

PK- I've read that post you're talking about. I thought it had a lot of interesting points. So, in your opinion/research, would you say that if one is having no blood, solid BMs, but this white pus, it's a sign the colon is healing?
Meds:Asacol HD 2/day. Elavil 20mg/day. Supplements: Probiotic (ultimate flora 50billion) 4 Metamucil caps/day. Diagnosis:First Colonoscopy (dec2013)showed inflammation/ulcers but biopsy didnt show ibd. flex sig (feb2014) showed remaining inflammation, waiting on biopsy results, and diagnosis. IBS-D for 10+ years, diagnosed by verbal symptoms only, questioning that now....
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embersglow1
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Posted 2/28/2014 9:19 PM (GMT -7)
i would say my mucous looks more like snot globs.
my cloudy stuff is just particles floating.

those pix look longer and more stringy than i see


butt pus... healing. makes sense to me!!
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laughingduck
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Posted 3/2/2014 7:44 AM (GMT -7)
Well I had a closer look this morning (yuck) and while I do have cloudy stuff, there are also yellowish clumps that could be yeast according to those photos. It looks different then the clumps of mucuos I see sometimes. Trouble is, I called the lab who did a stool test on me a while back and asked specifically about yeast, and they said if they see it, they test for it. So I assume they didn't see any? I'm seriously considering looking at it under my microscope and trying to determine what I am seeing. Anyone know the difference between pus/mucus/yeast under the microscope? Not much info online that I could find...

PathogenKiller, Apparently I have actually been tested for everything the diagnostechs GI tests for, so not sure it's worth testing again? You've mentioned high volume enemas to get rid of yeast before, how is this done? Just use warm water? I do have an enema kit so. I may give that a shot and see what comes out...
Trying to end a 3 year flare, very slow progress.
Sulfasalazine 2.5g, salofalk enema every other day, recently started LDN, up to 3mg now
AIP diet (Autoimmune Protocol)
Supplements:turmeric, fish oil, vsl#3, slippery elm, boswelia, psyllium seed
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embersglow1
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Posted 3/2/2014 1:10 PM (GMT -7)
I did some more looking online for my cloudy liquid/water in the toilet bowl accompanying son of my poo. Amazingly I could not really find anything about the Cloudiness. And read the wonderful post and links from PK. (Most of it all.. still work in on it)
I am thinking that the Cloudiness is indicative of infection some how. i do have a pretty strong case of c.diff right now. But also it seems the cloudiness only accompanies not very productive bathroom trips. When i barely make it to the toilet seat before exploding... i am much less likely to see the cloudiness. But then i do see mucous, etc.
Im going to keep "investigating"
I even got ballsy and did many a Google image search... and could not find what I am trying to describe.
Katie - 27 - UC July 11th, 2013 - pancolitis.
Currently Flaring; diarrhea w/ blood, mucous. C Diff dx 2-21-14

Vanco - 250mg x 4x day
Prednisone - 40mg
Zoloft 200mg

Past meds: Balsalazide, Lialda,Prednisone - 20, 40, 60, 30 - never helped
Allergic Sulfas
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toomuchpoopin
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Posted 3/2/2014 1:40 PM (GMT -7)
Embers, when you say the cloudy stuff only accompanies the non productive trips do you mean straining? I only see the cloudy stuff when I've been backed up a bit. I've been tracking and I see the white cloudy stuff in my BMs that follow a day or two of non pooping. I'm not straining to poop when I do go, but it seems the white comes out after my turd....that has been in there awhile.... I don't have c diff and don't even have d right now though (thank god!) so, for me, likely hood of it being infection is low. That's why I asked PK if it was a sign of healing or something. I never had this when I was in rough shape, then I had the slimy mucus goo, sometimes big white balls of it, not like the drops of white liquid now. Hmm, this thread is an interesting one!!!
Meds:Asacol HD 2/day. Elavil 20mg/day. Supplements: Probiotic (ultimate flora 50billion) 4 Metamucil caps/day. Diagnosis:First Colonoscopy (dec2013)showed inflammation/ulcers but biopsy didnt show ibd. flex sig (feb2014) showed remaining inflammation, waiting on biopsy results, and diagnosis. IBS-D for 10+ years, diagnosed by verbal symptoms only, questioning that now....
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Coffeencake
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Posted 3/2/2014 1:42 PM (GMT -7)
I've been reading a lot from PK's posts. I fried my brain!
I've looked at pics too, that takes a little nerve. I have not found the cloudy "vapor" ??? I don't know if that word better describes it? :/
The day I noticed it and started this thread, it was an "as close to normal BM" that is possible. I've had looser poo and D today, toilet water is clear with looser til I flush. D was straight liquid. I haven't seen that in awhile.
I did see on toilet paper after D some goo that I think I saw in one of the pictures. It was very light brown/tan goo so maybe mucus, no stringy anything, ... I'm thinking, really??? Fungus/yeast??? and this is surprising me, why I don't know!
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Coffeencake
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Posted 3/2/2014 1:50 PM (GMT -7)
I just looked at my notes. The Feb. 22nd, normal BM with cloudy something in water was after a two day no BM.
I think the D is from pizza Thursday evening Feb. 27th, that when I ate it I thought, this may not be a good idea, kind of greasy. The D had small black pieces of olive, I'm guessing.
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toomuchpoopin
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Posted 3/2/2014 2:41 PM (GMT -7)
Hmmm, well there's one similarity then, lol, since your mystery cloudy white liquid came after a two day no poopin spree! That's when I see mine! I've been holding stable too, so if it were a sign of worsening I'm sure I'd be worse by now, but I'm not.
Meds:Asacol HD 2/day. Elavil 20mg/day. Supplements: Probiotic (ultimate flora 50billion) 4 Metamucil caps/day. Diagnosis:First Colonoscopy (dec2013)showed inflammation/ulcers but biopsy didnt show ibd. flex sig (feb2014) showed remaining inflammation, waiting on biopsy results, and diagnosis. IBS-D for 10+ years, diagnosed by verbal symptoms only, questioning that now....
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embersglow1
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Posted 3/2/2014 4:59 PM (GMT -7)
Well there is no "backed up" time for me... as I go about every 2 hours or less :D

Im going to keep up with my notes and observations.

At first I thought it was my Colozal when I was on that... and then Lialda maybe too. Im actually not sure the last time I saw it.

Today im all foamy gas and mucus globs.
about to eat for the first time. No real blood today thus far. Woo.
Katie - 27 - UC July 11th, 2013 - pancolitis.
Currently Flaring; diarrhea w/ blood, mucous. C Diff dx 2-21-14

Vanco - 250mg x 4x day
Prednisone - 40mg
Zoloft 200mg

Past meds: Balsalazide, Lialda,Prednisone - 20, 40, 60, 30 - never helped
Allergic Sulfas
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toomuchpoopin
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Posted 3/2/2014 8:52 PM (GMT -7)
darn embers, you're skewing the results, lol! Hooray for no blood though! My GI appointment is in a few days now, I will give him the third degree about the white butt ooze and update y'all later.
Meds:Asacol HD 2/day. Elavil 20mg/day. Supplements: Probiotic (ultimate flora 50billion) 4 Metamucil caps/day. Diagnosis:First Colonoscopy (dec2013)showed inflammation/ulcers but biopsy didnt show ibd. flex sig (feb2014) showed remaining inflammation, waiting on biopsy results, and diagnosis. IBS-D for 10+ years, diagnosed by verbal symptoms only, questioning that now....
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embersglow1
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Posted 3/2/2014 10:41 PM (GMT -7)
blood always comes in the late evening/night. So of course my poops while TRYING to eat dinner were blood blood blood. (and very appetizing, mind you...)

Sorry to skew things! haha. I did look back at things I have written down. I havent noted recently (been journaling since c. diff diagnosis) and cloudy toilet water.

So maybe it was something to do with my pills. Or something with healing. Since I am doing worse again (no bleeding on the Colozal/balsalazide) I have not noticed the cloudy whiteness. So if it is related to "healing" that would make sense that i am not seeing it now :D
Katie - 27 - UC July 11th, 2013 - pancolitis.
Currently Flaring; diarrhea w/ blood, mucous. C Diff dx 2-21-14

Vanco - 250mg x 4x day
Prednisone - 40mg
Zoloft 200mg

Past meds: Balsalazide, Lialda,Prednisone - 20, 40, 60, 30 - never helped
Allergic Sulfas
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TheAnswersYouSeek
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Posted 3/3/2014 10:07 AM (GMT -7)
Toomuchpoopin

Best I can come up with is its more healed then an open, bleeding ulceration, but still ulcerated. In theory, the mucosa should be a rather quick healing part of the body, I often wonder about biofilms and how they contribute to this not quite healed, not quite sick stage.

Laughingduck, I dunno.. I have a hard time believing you've been tested for everything. There are less then a handful of labs in this country that are not automated where a live person looks at specimens and gets to the bottom of what they see. You will not get a positive yeast test from a mainstream lab unless you are like, an aids patient as "they" do not believe yeast can be an issue unless you are very very very sick.
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toomuchpoopin
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Posted 3/3/2014 5:08 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks PK.
Meds:Asacol HD 2/day. Elavil 20mg/day. Supplements: Probiotic (ultimate flora 50billion) 4 Metamucil caps/day. Diagnosis:First Colonoscopy (dec2013)showed inflammation/ulcers but biopsy didnt show ibd. flex sig (feb2014) showed remaining inflammation, waiting on biopsy results, and diagnosis. IBS-D for 10+ years, diagnosed by verbal symptoms only, questioning that now....
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Evanescent Eden
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Posted 3/4/2014 8:59 PM (GMT -7)
I have had recurrent issues with yeast, no matter what I try to do to help it (daily yeast infection tablets, etc.). I get recurrent yeast infections, not only vaginally (inside)... but on the outside of the vagina too (due to the discharge coming out and irritating the fragile skin) and even in odd places like the crack of my butt shakehead (Obviously, yeast can grow in any moist, damp area... yes, including the butt crack)! So I get very painful open sores in between my cheeks because of the yeast that comes out through having a BM. LOTS of yeast problems here!

In fact, I have wondered in the past if CANDIDA overgrowth is a lot of my problem-- causing many of my widespread symptoms! It is VERY common, especially in women and can eventually cause symptoms similar to fibromyalgia and other chronic diseases.

I think it's a simple test at the doctor to see candida overgrowth; however, it's tough for me to get to a doctor w/o having insurance at the mo.

An at home test is to put water in a CLEAR glass/ cup in the morning right after waking up (when your saliva is fresh)... spit into the water (give it a good wod of spit). Wait about 10 minutes, go back to it... and if the water is clear, you don't have yeast/ candida problems. But IF you DO have candida overgrowth, you will see little streams of stringy mucus dancing around and floating in the water...! I have done it and I have A LOT of the stringy mucus streams "dancing" around. Also, I think the further down they reach, the worst your overgrowth tends to be. Mine almost hit the bottom of the (long) glass!!!

Anyway, that's why I think perhaps some of these "butt secretions" as you say, may be yeast-related (in my case anyway). I KNOW that I have a lot of problems with yeast and that it is, indeed, secreted from my bum-- because I get yeast infections that lie right around there.

So some of the IBD mucus may certainly BE yeast-related in many cases. Seems plausible, but who knows!

Eden :-)
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