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UCh8er
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Posted 8/25/2014 5:48 AM (GMT -8)
Hello fellow UCers!
So I'm typing this from my lovely hospital bed. Been here since Thurs (4 days). I came in with symptoms of a bad flare, major pain/nausea etc. They did an abdominal CT scan and found enlarged lymph nodes throughout. I've been on Remicade x3yrs, q6-8wks, but never Imuran/6-mp. about 3 months ago I had a swollen neck mass, fever, horse voice. Thyroid levels all normal so PCP didn't think much of it, even though was clearly visible. Swelling has gone down, but noticeable if I point it out, only on right side. So back to Fri: ultrasound shows nodule in thyroid, not lymph. It was biopsied but no results yet. (Could just be benign thyroid nodule common as pimples? Separate thyroid cancer incidental find??) Needed CT guided biopsy of abdominal lymphs, no results yet. HemOnc wants to see me ASAP. He seems to suspect lymphoma.
I see most who've sadly died of lymphoma associated w Remicade were young males (I'm a girl!) who were also taking Imuran/6-mp. Does anyone have any more info on incidents of lymphoma with Remicade? I'm pretty terrified but trying to compartmentalize till I get an actual diagnosis this week. It is possible lymphs are inflamed due to colitis, but HemOnc said lymphs are typically under 1cm, if inflamed then about over 1cm. My largest is 4cm.
If worst comes to worst where is the best place for treatment? Which place has experience with Remicade associated lymphoma? I live in FL but willing to travel. I'm trying to look all this up too but I know a lot of you guys and gals are so experienced and to me experience counts for a lot. Sorry so long, thank you for any and all help!
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Bacon Girl
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Posted 8/25/2014 7:34 AM (GMT -8)
my heart is breaking for you, girl. i cried when i read your post! i am so sorry this is happening to you. i hope that it isn't lymphoma. these medication side effects are terrifying. what are you doing for your flare right now in the hospital?? if remicade isn't working, i'd get off of it since lymphoma is a remi side effect.
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PamSmith
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Posted 8/25/2014 7:46 AM (GMT -8)
So sorry to hear this. I am praying for you. Hope it is not lymphoma. Like bananagirl I am having tears. No matter how we try to comfort ourself about medication, risk is so real.
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iPoop
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Posted 8/25/2014 8:02 AM (GMT -8)
I'm hoping your swollen lymph nodes are something else and not lymphoma. I would not assume you have it until you are diagnosed as it could be a false alarm.

The FDA posted about lymphoma cases and tnf-alpha blocking medications initially in 2008, had a followup in 2009, and a safety announcement in 2011. The excerpts below are from the initial 2008 fda posting. The 2011 version has a table by medication, age range, median, etc.

  • On June 4th 2008, FDA issued an Early Communication about an ongoing safety review of TNF blockers and the development of lymphoma and other cancers in children and adolescents. The Early Communication was based on approximately 30 reports of cancer in children and adolescents treated with TNF blockers.

    The completed FDA analysis identified 48 cases of malignancies in children and adolescents. Of the 48 cases reviewed by FDA, approximately half were lymphomas, including Hodgkin’s and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. Other malignancies reported include leukemia, melanoma, and solid organ cancers. Malignancies such as leiomyosarcoma, hepatic malignancies, and renal cell carcinoma, which are rare in children, were also reported. Of the 48 cases of malignancy, there were 11 deaths. The causes of death included hepatosplenic T-cell lymphoma (9 cases) and T-cell lymphoma (1 case). In the remaining case, the patient died from sepsis after achieving remission of the lymphoma.

  • FDA reviewed 147 post-marketing reports of leukemia in all patients, including adults, using TNF blockers. Of the 147 cases, acute myeloid leukemia (44 cases), chronic lymphocytic leukemia (31 cases), and chronic myeloid leukemia (23 cases) were the most frequently classified types of leukemia reported. Four pediatric cases of leukemia were reported in the review. Most patients (61%) were also receiving other immunosuppressive therapies. There were a total of 30 deaths reported. In 26 of the 30 deaths, the cause was reported to be leukemia, and the event was associated with the use of TNF blockers. The average time to onset of leukemia was within the first 1 to 2 years of therapy.


The following "Risk of Lymphoma in Inflammatory Bowel Disease" study goes through the results of some cases, including some meta analyses.
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garylouisville
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Posted 8/25/2014 8:22 AM (GMT -8)
Hope you get the best outcome.
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notsosicklygirl
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Posted 8/25/2014 8:42 AM (GMT -8)
I am really sorry. I hope that it's not what you think. A few years ago, I had a lot of symptoms that seemed like they might be cancer and it ended up being side effects of neutropenia from 6mp. I am hoping you get the same type of news. I think the cancer associated with immune suppressants is called T-Cell Lymphoma. Please try to stay calm until you know what's going on.
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Guardian7
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Posted 8/25/2014 8:44 AM (GMT -8)
Just FYI, anytime someone posts the FDA numbers there should be a disclaimer saying that the data is cooked (as in under-reported, as admitted by the FDA). I'm simply too tired to post the studies showing the real numbers and heightened risks of lymphomas, pml, infections, etc, etc (I posted them in another thread).

For issues as serious as these, it's simply not in the FDA's best interest (or their fiduciaries) to put a better tracking system in place.

Given how biologics are one of the best selling drugs in the market, I would not expect this to change anytime soon. The PML risks for tysabri and its subsequent recall was the red flag for me, so I won't go anywhere near them again.

UCh8er - I am sorry that you are going through this. The only thing I can say to you is to hope for the best and to have faith that you will be alright.
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UCh8er
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Posted 8/25/2014 9:45 AM (GMT -8)
Aww thanks y'all. Please don't cry though! It is scary but let's wait for a diagnosis and see where we go from there. The actual hard part is hiding all this from my mom. I don't want to say anything till I know for sure. Otherwise she's just gonna be a wreck and that's harder for me to watch than anything else.
For the flare, Solu Medrol is wonderful. IV steroids work fast & great, but I could not sleep! They did offer heavy duty pain meds, which I used Day 1, but really don't like how they make me feel. Now we wait.......agonizing, but I'll keep you updated.
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Bacon Girl
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Posted 8/25/2014 9:53 AM (GMT -8)
yeah, i agree that it's good to not jump to conclusions just yet!! just stay as positive as you can.

how old are you??

it's impossible to sleep on prednisone!! i think i just gave up after a while.
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annadee
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Posted 8/25/2014 10:40 AM (GMT -8)
Oh wow, I'm so sorry. That is so scary. I hope you get some good news and that it's not lymphoma. Please keep us updated!
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Colita
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Posted 8/25/2014 7:20 PM (GMT -8)
Lymph nodes can swell for several reasons, and lymphoma is the least likely of them, even if on remicade. I hope it will be alright!
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Katmom
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Posted 8/25/2014 7:44 PM (GMT -8)
I'd have your GI connect with an infectious disease expert too. We used one in so FL (Dr. Levine with the Baptist Health System) in Miami. My daughters lymph nodes were swollen seriously, the ER doc said Lymphoma, and Levine quickly ruled it out. It was Mono, but the first test called a Moni Spot was negative. He was just sure from the nature of the nodes( I forget if it was size coupled with ?). I hope for you it is an infection easily cleared. Keep us posted.
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TrinitySierra
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Posted 8/25/2014 9:23 PM (GMT -8)
Garsh darn'it! I'm so sorry you have to be going thru this. Try and stay away from some of the posts leading towards the negative side effects of these biologics. I can't believe some people would post that when you are dealing with the unknown. Stay busy and know the risk is rare. I understand hiding the news from your mom, however it may help to surround yourself with some other support at the moment. It helps.

We're here for you! Keep us updated.
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UCh8er
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Posted 8/29/2014 11:48 PM (GMT -8)
I said I'd keep you all updated so....HemOnc MD says it's looking like Hodgkin's lymphoma. I'll be having a laparoscopic excisional biopsy sometime next week (actual lymph tissue instead of just cells biopsied before) and then a PET scan for a hard diagnosis and staging. I'm pretty shocked. If you were to have any cancer though I suppose Hodgkin's is the one you want. It's slow growing and highly treatable with a low recurrence rate. Of course gonna get second opinions on everything, but the MD seems pretty confident in the diagnosis. Thank goodness outside of some weird pain I'm otherwise symptom free. I guess I just attributed little weight loss to UC.
I suppose we all know the risks of the meds we take, but it's just stunning to actually add this on to what I already thought was a challenge! I'm 36yo, and with chemo there's a real risk of infertility. Something else to think about...banking eggs seems weird to me. Not very romantic huh? So until I have a hard diagnosis I'm still not sharing with my mom, but two good friends and unfortunately my boss (who's been cool about it) knows. And of course you guys! I do not mean to scare or burden anyone with this. I just think this is a great place to share information, knowledge and experience. It may help someone out, and it certainly is helping me out right now by letting me unload a little.
There are studies tracking and trending side effects so I will certainly add this to the mix. Now of course will be the decision to stop Remicade, but then what? Can't stay on prednisone forever. It took me a really long time to wean off last time. Oddly enough chemo may put me into remission, if it's gets to that point. What a bummer!
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malaika
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Posted 8/30/2014 12:47 AM (GMT -8)
Oh my god... I am so shocked. You never expect these things to actually happen. I am deeply, deeply sorry you're going through this terrible thing. Thank you so much for sharing with us and carry on being brave. You're right, it's highly treatable and you'll get through this.

You'll be in my thoughts and prayers.
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garylouisville
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Posted 8/30/2014 7:02 AM (GMT -8)
Please don't be sorry about sharing this. I think there is a little too much acceptance of these biologics and too much of the mentality that the risks are really small and too many people talk about all of these biologics as if they were talking about eating candy. Yes, the risks are small, but they aren't small if it happens to you. I'm sorry it happened to you but we need to know that it does happen. Please keep in touch. We're all rooting for you to beat this and I have no doubt that you will.
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Contentprof
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Posted 8/30/2014 7:21 AM (GMT -8)
Ditto to what is said above, especially Gary's note. Risks are small but so very real for that small %.
Sending a ton of support and rooting for you -- hope you get easy access to all the resources you need, one step at a time, as smoothly as possible. Please keep us updated.
I have a close family member doing chemo now for 6 months, and doing very well with it - some weight loss but anti nausea meds are very effective, & lots of support around is making it doable - grateful to have meds with a great track record to address the cancer.
When you explore meds post-remicade, let us know too, as a bunch of us are pondering... Especially weighing side effects and risks.
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UCh8er
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Posted 9/13/2014 3:46 AM (GMT -8)
Hello again!
Had laparoscopic biopsy yesterday. They removed the largest lymph node (above and to left of belly button). Waiting on those results. Have seen two oncologists (2nd opinion came from Moffitt in Tampa, FL). They are both confident it's Stage 3 Hodgkins but need pathology to sign off, hence the biopsy. I have an appointment with a new GI on Monday. Hopefully he will have post-chemo suggestions for the UC. I asked MD at Moffitt if she sees lymphoma patients with any IBDs and she said rarely. She's a lymphoma expert and said she's not sure what they do after Remicade is no longer an option. She does see plenty of rheumatoid arthritis patients on Remicaid, but I think their options are different from UC. So no new info, but I will continue to email MDs and hopefully find other options.
Also had a port installed for chemo, which should begin about 9/28. Still need bone marrow biopsy and a few baseline echoes and pulmonary function tests to monitor possible future chemo side effects. I'm ready to get started and get this over with!
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iPoop
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Posted 9/13/2014 4:08 AM (GMT -8)
Good luck, I hope they get your hodgkins lymphoma in remission soon with the chemo. I would get that under control before worrying much about uc meds... I would suspect you'd want to stay away from the anti-tnf biologics (remi, simponi, humira) as they all work the same and have the same risk. Entyvio is a very different biologic with a different method of action (anti-adhesion madcam-based drug) without the hodgkins risks and I would ask your new gi about it. Although after your bad reaction, and in your shoes, I'd start pondering surgery rather than another med... just me though
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malaika
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Posted 9/13/2014 4:23 AM (GMT -8)
It sounds like you're being really strong. May this all be over quickly for you.

I too would start giving surgery some serious consideration seeing as you've already been through so much.
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UCh8er
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Posted 9/16/2014 1:30 PM (GMT -8)
It's official: Stage 3 Hodgkin's lymphoma. Aye aye aye...

So new GI wants to start from scratch with me. He says I'm a difficult case (not person!), a conundrum. He's ordered a small bowel series, colonoscopy with possible biopsy of colon, and capsule endoscopy. I have to swallow a camera! Weird! but also kinda cool I guess. He's not sure if I was ever correctly diagnosed (UC vs. Crohn's) and wants to see extent of disease. However, he wants this all to be done prior to starting chemo! I was pretty anxious to get started, don't want anything else growing, and sooner I start sooner I'll be done. He says once he sees result will help decide treatment, if any. He's emailing/calling colleagues & other experts regarding treatment since biologics are out of the question. I guess if he wants to start steroids that may influence chemo? I really don't think it would.

From what I read though, chemo may put the UC in remission while I'm on it! I would normally be due for Remicade next Tuesday, but procedures won't all be done by then. So I think I need to eat clean and be extra, extra good to my belly until results/chemo starts. That's a bummer because my crazy theory was to pig out and bulk up before chemo starts and I lose my appetite/lose weight.

If anyone out there has been through anything that resembles this, or knows of someone who has, please please let me know what/how they did. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Also, thank you for all the kind thoughts and good vibes! :)
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notsosicklygirl
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Posted 9/16/2014 1:54 PM (GMT -8)
I have a friend who had hodgkin's, i think it was stage 3, and she fared very well through the treatment. She's doing incredibly today - it's been a few years since she completed treatment. :)

I am so sorry. I was hoping it would be nothing.
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RockerGirl
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Posted 9/16/2014 2:34 PM (GMT -8)
Sending out prayers for you. Sorry to see you have to go through this on top of the UC. Did the doctor's say if they thought you developed this from the remicade? Just wondering since someone posted here that the type of lymphoma that is a possible side effect is called T cell lymphoma. Then again, who knows if they (the dr's) have a clue. Lymphoma has always been my big fear when it comes to remicade. I was offered it a few times as a treatment option and refused. But, we do what we have to do when we get sick enough and nothing else works. I suppose one day I may not be in a position to refuse a biological. All these UC drugs have the possibility of nasty, serious side effects. We're caught in a trap. Sick without them, sometimes sicker with them. You seem to have a very positive attitude even though I'm sure you are pretty scared. Keep letting us know how things are going.
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Posted 9/16/2014 6:42 PM (GMT -8)
So sorry to hear that UCh8r, but seeing how you are presumably reacting to this new inspires me to just keep on truckin with my UC and to learn to accept different challenges as they come. I can't imagine how you're feeling right now, but that is what I took away from your post. Hoping for the best possible outcome for you.
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MONKEY10
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Posted 9/16/2014 6:54 PM (GMT -8)
I am so sorry you are having to go through this. Will keep you in our thoughts ... stay strong.
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