Those of you on immunosuppressants, how the heck do you get rid of a cold/flu???!

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Happychick
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   Posted 10/13/2014 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   
I have had this cold for almost two weeks. I shall be completing a five day course of antibiotics today and they have done nothing for me :(

I am better than before but I still have green phlegm coming out and still feel a little rotten and have a awful cough. My colds ways lasted a couple of days before I started imuran and this is the first one I've had since starting imuran. Has anyone else noticed prolonged symptoms of colds flus with imuran?

Dr-A
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   Posted 10/13/2014 10:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Colds can last for weeks in healthy people. Just let it run it's course. Never noticed any additional problems being on all the immunosuppressants.

If your cold is viral, which they usually are, not sure why you would be taking antibiotics? Stuff is handed out like candy nowadays for some reason.
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Marauder93
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   Posted 10/13/2014 10:37 AM (GMT -7)   
If its a cold, stop taking antibiotics, it will only make things worse. Ask your doctor if he suspects a bacterial infection. If he says no, never go to them again because they are an idiot.

I would recommend some natural anti-viral substances. Whenever I get sick, I take a few drops of wild oil of oregano and gargle it. Then I eat a few cloves of garlic each day. See if that helps.
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kazbern
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   Posted 10/13/2014 10:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Use a saline sinus lavage every day to help keep your sinuses clear and maybe reduce post-nasal drip that is triggering your cough. Keep taking fluids, lots of them, hot and cold.
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Currently taking Pentasa (3g/day) generic Colazal (9 6 pills/day), Sulfazine (1.5 g/day), Prevacid, folic acid, vit. D (2K iu), flax seed oil (2 tsp/day), psyllium (2 tsp daily), mesalamine enema as needed. Gluten free as of 5/30/11. Scope in 8/11 found no evidence of inflammation!

Poppie
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   Posted 10/13/2014 11:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Just so you know for future...taking antibiotics for a cold is not a good idea for someone with UC (unless you are on deaths door) in some instances it can cause a relapse of symptoms, which is why I just wanted to reiterate that point...hope you are feeling better soon.
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ColitisGrl
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   Posted 10/13/2014 11:21 AM (GMT -7)   
1. Sleep. A lot of extra sleep.
2. Fluids- tea, soup, water, juice. Repeat.
3. Extra vitamin C. This can be as simple as adding lemon to your tea.
4. Flush my sinuses with saline solution. There are squeeze bottles you can get at the drug store.
5. Hot steamy showers and warm baths with eucalyptus oil in the water.

Colds can last weeks. I wouldn't take antibiotics for a cold unless I had an X-Ray that showed it had morphed into pneumonia or cultures taken to prove it was bacterial. You could ask your doctor about the effectiveness of an antiviral medication.
Ugh. Colitis. I may be chronically ill, but I'm also chronically fabulous.
Keep the hope. It gets better.

Happychick
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   Posted 10/13/2014 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks guys! I was reluctant to take the abx but both by doctor and GI said that I needed them as my cold was bad. My GI said it could make my stools looser which it has and the ones prescribed were the better ones for colitis.

But the abx have done nothing which makes me think it's viral not bacterial. I am going to have some ginger tea with lemon and then a hot bath with some eucultpus oil.

kazbern
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   Posted 10/13/2014 11:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Your DRs told you to take abx because they don't really care if you take abx and they just want you to be happy and pay them. It is up to you to decide what is the best medicine for you in the absence of any evidence that you have a bacterial infection.
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Currently taking Pentasa (3g/day) generic Colazal (9 6 pills/day), Sulfazine (1.5 g/day), Prevacid, folic acid, vit. D (2K iu), flax seed oil (2 tsp/day), psyllium (2 tsp daily), mesalamine enema as needed. Gluten free as of 5/30/11. Scope in 8/11 found no evidence of inflammation!

TroubledTurds
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   Posted 10/13/2014 12:26 PM (GMT -7)   
so both the professionals are idiots ! great !
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Happychick
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   Posted 10/13/2014 1:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Well I kind of regret taking them now as I feel as though they did nothing and I have put my colitis in jeopardy. But it's done now. At least I can now eliminate that treatment option. I feel really rough still. What's worse is that I can't start my allopurinol treatment until my cold has gone. So I have to wait! :(

Conquer UC
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   Posted 10/13/2014 2:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Happychick: try sinus rinses w saline solution. Hot showers are good too but not enough.


To my knowledge if you have to go on allopurinol thats if the imuran is not reaching therapeutic levels in your blood. Which means your white cell count should still be normal not suppressed. So i don't see how imuran could be contributing to your cold.

Dreadsteel
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   Posted 10/13/2014 4:08 PM (GMT -7)   
which antibiotic did you take ?
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Happychick
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   Posted 10/13/2014 11:55 PM (GMT -7)   
That's true conquer uc. But I was quite close to entering therapeutic level just not quite there. But I hear what you're saying. I probably just have a nasty cold. Tbh my husband has caught the same cold and his is very persistent too and he is not on imuran or any meds.

Dreadsteal- I was prescribed amoxicillin

Dreadsteel
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   Posted 10/14/2014 12:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Happychick said...

Dreadsteal- I was prescribed amoxicillin


Thats why you're still sick, that's a weak sauce abx.

Since you already took the abx i would suggest you wait for a few days before taking any further actions, if you condition gets worse in severity ( flu wise ) then you might want to ask your Dr for a Quinolone class abx unless you have past C-Diff infection.

Hang in there, warm wishes.

Conquer UC
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   Posted 10/14/2014 3:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Quinolone class Abx?!!! Holy moly!
I reckon unless you have an ear infection, or chest infection then i would stay the heck away from Abx. Just do the sinus rinses atleast x2 per day. Esp since your husband has the same thing i wouldn't worry too much. Viruses are really hardy these days unfortunately and tend to linger long even in healthy people. God help us the immunosuppressed folks :/

Happychick
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   Posted 10/14/2014 3:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Well last night I took some liquid cold/flu paracetamol and decongestant and I am feeling a lot better today. I also used some eucalyptus oil in the bath. Not as much green gunk coming out, but there is still a little. Hopefully this is a turning point....

I am not going back on abx!

Dr-A
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   Posted 10/14/2014 8:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Dreadsteel said...
Happychick said...

Dreadsteal- I was prescribed amoxicillin


Thats why you're still sick, that's a weak sauce abx.

Since you already took the abx i would suggest you wait for a few days before taking any further actions, if you condition gets worse in severity ( flu wise ) then you might want to ask your Dr for a Quinolone class abx unless you have past C-Diff infection.

Hang in there, warm wishes.


Really? The reason she is still sick is because she was given a weak antibiotic for a cold? Why would you take an antibiotic for a flu? I give up, lol.

Happychick
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   Posted 10/14/2014 8:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Because I was told to! When your doc and GI are telling you to do something you generally do it right as you assume they are medical professionals and they kind of know what they are talking about!

garylouisville
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   Posted 10/14/2014 8:48 AM (GMT -7)   
When you're caughing up green phlem that's not a cold or the flu, it is a respiratory infection and antibiotics will work on that. Of course you can have a cold or the flu on top of the respiratory infection, which the antibiotics will not work on. I know exactly what this thing was because everyone around me, including me, had it. They were all badly sick for 3 weeks while I jumped on antibiotics (zpack) immediately and was only sick for a day or two. Antibiotic's reaction with UC is a different animal altogether.
Pentasa (500mg) 2 pills X 2; steroid ointment; VSL 1 pill X 2; Prescrip Assist Probiotic 1 pill X 2; Grape seed extract 400mg X 2; Vitamin D3 10,000 IU; Canasa as needed; DAO as needed due to dietary histamine intolerance

Gave me trouble: Zymactive, Renew Life Probiotic 80 billion, Florastor, high histamine foods

Post Edited (garylouisville) : 10/14/2014 9:51:20 AM (GMT-6)


kazbern
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   Posted 10/14/2014 8:57 AM (GMT -7)   
No, green phlegm is not a sign of infection.

www.webmd.com/allergies/features/the-truth-about-mucus?page=2
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Currently taking Pentasa (3g/day) generic Colazal (9 6 pills/day), Sulfazine (1.5 g/day), Prevacid, folic acid, vit. D (2K iu), flax seed oil (2 tsp/day), psyllium (2 tsp daily), mesalamine enema as needed. Gluten free as of 5/30/11. Scope in 8/11 found no evidence of inflammation!

Happychick
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   Posted 10/14/2014 8:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Well the abx did nothing for me :( but I am slowly getting better

garylouisville
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   Posted 10/14/2014 9:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the link kaz but I don't think it worked properly.
Pentasa (500mg) 2 pills X 2; steroid ointment; VSL 1 pill X 2; Prescrip Assist Probiotic 1 pill X 2; Grape seed extract 400mg X 2; Vitamin D3 10,000 IU; Canasa as needed; DAO as needed due to dietary histamine intolerance

Gave me trouble: Zymactive, Renew Life Probiotic 80 billion, Florastor, high histamine foods

Sloth
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   Posted 10/14/2014 9:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I avoid antibiotics unless they are absolutely necessary (the older I get, the more often I have bad reactions to them (not necessarily my gut, but fun stuff like hives and peripheral neuropathy), so I really hate taking them (not counting the Xifaxin I'm on currently)) - green/yellow snot is not necessarily a sign of bacterial infection. I used to get sinusitis following colds at least once every 1-2 years until 2005...now I use a neti pot and that does the trick - it helps me clear all that junk out before it gets the opportunity to fester (I'll add Sudafed if things are pretty bad as well - lots of docs will ask their patients to give Sudafed a try for 4-5 days before moving to antibiotics for sinusitis).

But yeah...some doctors will jump the gun on prescribing antibiotics to immunosuppressed patients (ask me about the idiot who wanted to give me Cipro (couldn't because I'm allergic), gave me Augmentin, and landed me in the hospital...because my guts really hate Augmentin...fun times...my regular GP was less than thrilled).

Anyway. It sounds like you're recovering, but in the future? Fluids, rest, extra time (sometimes a lot of it), and a neti pot (and Sudafed if necessary). I'm getting over a nasty cold, myself, and I just had to accept that I was going to be stuck in bed for awhile.

(And yeah, the worst cold I ever had was when I was on Imuran and tapering off of pred...I was sick for weeks, it was terrible)
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Post Edited (Sloth) : 10/14/2014 10:38:16 AM (GMT-6)


kazbern
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   Posted 10/14/2014 9:21 AM (GMT -7)   
yeah, I can't get the link to work either. sorry, don't know what's wrong. Just search "is green phlegm a bacterial infection" or look up the truth about mucus on WebMD.
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52 yrs old, IBD diagnosis in spring '01. Proctitis, gastritis, ileitis.
Currently taking Pentasa (3g/day) generic Colazal (9 6 pills/day), Sulfazine (1.5 g/day), Prevacid, folic acid, vit. D (2K iu), flax seed oil (2 tsp/day), psyllium (2 tsp daily), mesalamine enema as needed. Gluten free as of 5/30/11. Scope in 8/11 found no evidence of inflammation!

TroubledTurds
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   Posted 10/14/2014 10:02 AM (GMT -7)   
even if it is an infection, doesn't automatically mean you need antibiotics -
diagnosed with pancolitis december 21, 2003
in submission - 2 years no meds
current supplements: vit D, cal/mag, Wild Harvest Inflamma Shield -
no gluten, rice, corn, or soy & limited sugar - just good, healthy food, lots of all natural well water, exercise, sleep as much as possible & enjoy this great life that God has blessed me with -
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