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Posted 7/4/2017 7:29 PM (GMT -7)
Dear HealingWell,

Firstly, thank you for the support. On my worst days, I would be stuck in the bathroom scouring this forum for a sign of hope. Today I am hopeful that I can pay back the years of support with what I think is the most important thing I think I have ever shared.

A bit about me

I have been battling UC without any full remission for six years. I tried oral Mesalamine from two different brands in varying doses, VSL #3 DS, growing Mutaflor at home, the specific carbohydrate diet, and cutting out foods that I thought led to irritation. I even went as far as to do textbook FMT, once a week for two months. I actually made myself ginger tea every day for a year after reading about the health benefits of 6-gingerols. It got the point that I had to ask people what the definition of “normal” was because I couldn’t remember a day where I wasn’t running to the bathroom, having BMs at least three times a day, and I was just basically unendingly optimistic that my stool would be solid one day and my guts would stop making me curl up in excruciating pain with every little gas bubble. Prednisone and Budesonide were the only things to have any effect on me. Cutting out beer, milk and spicy foods definitely made things easier but nothing got me back to normal.

What am I here to talk about?

I was reading an article late last year about Ginger Derived Nanoparticles (GDNPs) and how a team in Atlanta used them to initiate remission UC in mice. I got a copy of the study they published and did some reading, then I asked a person familiar with the field of study surrounding nanoparticles and biological influences. I then used what I learned and applied it to myself with stunning results.

The study

A very rough summary: They first blended the ginger in a basic Oster brand cheap blender till it was completely liquefied. They then took the product and spun it in a centrifuge at 4K and then 10K RPMs. From each spin they extracted the supernatant, which is basically saying they sucked the juice and left the junk at the bottom. In the study, they say this is simply to remove the solid material (ginger has a lot of fibers and starch). From there they then spun the supernatant in an ultracentrifuge at 150k the times the force of gravity. This resulted in three distinct bands of lipids, or fats, that were infused with 6-gingerols and 6-shogaols. The middle band, referred to as GNDPs 2, had the greatest concentration of these healing compounds and therefore was the focus of the study. They then orally fed GNDPs 2 to the mice and studied its effects. Honestly the majority of the published study and the most effort spent was actually proving why it works to heal the mice. Spoiler alert: a lot of mice died. If you want to read more about it, the study is linked below, but you have to pay for the full publication.

What are 6-gingerols/6-shogaols?

6-gingerols and 6-shogaols are well documented anti-inflammatory, anti-cancer, anti-oxidant compounds. It’s not alone, curcumin is an extract of turmeric with similar properties, but the problem is in its hydrophobic properties that don’t allow it to pass through the cellular barrier which is essential to heal the cells in the colon. Curcumin works on other parts of the body but getting it to be effective on UC has been difficult. In fact the same lead scientist Zhang Wang, who published the study on GDNPs, has been working on delivery systems for curcumin and its use in UC. This may be why he turned to ginger, because when the ginger is pulverized in the blender, the lipids are freed and absorb the 6-gingerols/6-shogaols. The lipids actually allow the compounds to pass through the cellular barriers acting as the natural delivery system that curcumin lacks. This is the truly novel element of GDNPs, getting the 6-gingerols/6-shogaols into your inflamed colon cells to trigger anti-inflammation.

Ok, enough science talk, what did you do?

I thought that I would have to isolate the nanoparticles like in the study, but my friend who is familiar with the field of study pointed out that the use of a centrifuge was simply to prove how the GDNPs were working in the mice. In fact my friend said all I needed was a blender and cheesecloth. I happened to have an older Breville Juice Fountain Elite in a closet when I went through a juicing phase, which does both at the same time; it shreds the ginger to itty bitty pieces and spins them through a basket using the centrifugal force to separate the juice from the pulp. The goal is to pulverize the ginger, then extract the juices. Whatever you have at home will do the job as long as it pulverizes and separates the juices, this is just what I had. As far as I understand it, the blending process is what frees the lipids from the solids and allows the gingerols to bond. This is why you have to pulverize it. If you want to blend it and squeeze it through a coffee filter, it’s probably the exact same result. I will warn that ginger is very fibrous so expect your filter to get clogged quickly. My blade/filter basket is only good for a single branch of ginger until it’s too clogged with fibers to continue shredding and filtering.

How do you drink that nonsense?

Gingerols are like capsaicin in peppers, it’s spicy! I mix 50 to 100 ml of juice extract with warm water and a large serving of honey. It’s important to note that 6-gingerols becomes 6-shogols, which is a different compound, when heated above 70°c. You can read more in the link about “Chemisthesis” linked below. I suggest keeping it below 70°c to preserve the 6-gingerols. It’s spicy, yes. I stick to no more than 3-4ml of juice per oz of water.

Ok, but what did it do for you?

I can’t understate the effect it’s had, better than steroids. I am completely normal since the first week of drinking this juice and have started to forget what it was like with UC. I have an endoscopy scheduled later this month marking its 6 month period to prove its effect since my doctor is supportive but understandably skeptical. I am not currently on any medication, supplements, or dietary restrictions. I do stay away from lactose and beer, but that’s because I’m lactose intolerant and beer has wood compounds in it that I’m allergic to. However, I’ll eat a whole pizza, get some big ol’ gas bubbles, and not one pain! Just wow! One tiny gas bubble used to make me stop in my tracks and try not to curl up in a ball. I’ve gotten sick a couple times in the last 6 months, where everyone in the house got the crud and the runs, and I went back to normal same as everyone else when the illness resolved. I can’t say it enough, I have learned what “normal” feels like again. I have a BM once every other day, which is what I used to do before UC. It’s amazing.

Yeah, it’s probably just placebo.

I've put my faith behind a lot of things in the past. I did not expect this to work as well as it has.

What about supplements? Ginger is gross.

I’m sorry but supplements are made of dried ginger and 6-gingerol turns to 6-shogol when dried. It is not well understood if 6-shogols have the same effect as 6-gingerols on UC. You might be able to make your own juice-filled capsules at home to swallow, but I have no experience with that, and the alkalinity of ginger may dissolve the capsule before you swallow it. I do NOT advise getting straight undiluted juice in your mouth, it is NOT fun.

Further discussion

The mice used in the study were bred for susceptibility but are actually chemically induced with UC. Also, it’s not proven that mice models always transfer to people. Everyone’s “cause” of UC is different and therefore their “cure” is going to be different too. On a different note: Zhang Wang is seriously dedicated to treating UC with novel ways that are cheap and natural. You should include him on your holiday card list this year.

Disclaimers

I am an idiot on the internet, please do not take my words as fact, do your own research and consult with your doctor. Ginger is a strong alkaline and can mess with your body’s acidic balance, which is very life-critical system, like you can die critical. If you have pre-existing conditions this can further complicate things. Ginger can thin the blood as well as affect the lining of the stomach. If you are taking medication for stomach ulcers or acid reflux, it’s strongly advised not to consume ginger products. Too much ginger can cause serious health complications. Please consult with your doctor before acting on anything you’ve read here.



News story
/phys.org/news/2016-08-lab-team-ginger-nanoparticles-inflammatory.html

Published study
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27318094

Curcumin–piperine mixtures in self-microemulsifying drug delivery system for ulcerative colitis therapy
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378517315004184

Combination Therapy for Ulcerative Colitis: Orally Targeted Nanoparticles Prevent Mucosal Damage and Relieve Inflammation
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5135446/

Chemesthesis: Chemical Touch in Food and Eating
/books.google.com/books?id=y5dmCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=shogaols+70%C2%B0C&source=bl&ots=cJ2uY4IxST&sig=T2EKhIN0EMMkrjwV9mmgUNz8EFQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEg8P3-fDUAhUk6IMKHSoZD-4Q6AEINDAC#v=onepage&q=shogaols%2070%C2%B0C&f=false


**Update** October 2017: I had a scope recently and my doc reports good results. The lower half where all previous scopes had shown severe inflammation has been reduced to mild. The upper has been reduced from sever to moderate. It's the first documented case in years that my scope has been more favorable than the previous, and this was in a 6 month period.

I have been getting lazy with drinking the tea, maybe once a week. To be honest, I feel like I should probably be drinking it every three days. I have also reduced my intake to 30-50 ML and mixing it with honey and lactose free milk with it to cut the burn.

Post Edited (simplys) : 10/18/2017 2:13:19 PM (GMT-6)

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Posted 7/4/2017 9:36 PM (GMT -7)
This is sooooo weird!

I was reading this exact same study yesterday!

So, what did I do this morning?

I took fresh turmeric root and fresh ginger root and juiced it in my juicer with a little cucumber. Then, I put the resulting juice along with a tablespoon of coconut oil in my NutriBullet. That was in emulsified it with lipids. Then, I added the result to my morning juice of about a dozen vegetables and fruits.

I have no idea what effect it will have on my colitis. But, it is delicious!

Sure, it's spicy. But, I've always loved spicy food and haven't been able to eat anything spicy from capsaicin in years.

The ginger and turmeric make it refreshing and spicy and amazing. Juice on fleek!
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Posted 7/5/2017 3:23 AM (GMT -7)
I went to see my eye doctor for an issue I was having and she is someone I used to work closely with. Her husband has UC and was in really bad shape when I left that job 6 years ago. She told me he was completely med free right now and his solution? GINGER !

I thought she said ginger tea though, I will have to inquire deeper and ask her if it'd be ok for me to contact him and ask him a few questions. I am seriously intrigued by this. I don't own I juicer (yet) . Off to read the study.... turn
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Posted 7/5/2017 5:23 AM (GMT -7)
Marjiekay,

Thank you for sharing. I hope to spread awareness and help establish a standard for people to follow. I would advise against tea made from dried ginger, or steeping in water hotter than 70 deg centigrade, as you lose 6-gingerols. Also, I would encourage anyone trying ginger to start with the blender and cheese cloth. Gotta free up those lipids by pulverizing, as I understand it.

Post Edited (simplys) : 7/5/2017 6:57:35 AM (GMT-6)

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Posted 7/5/2017 6:15 AM (GMT -7)
I have drinking home-made ginger tea every night for the last year and have been symptom free. Can't prove it is this, but I love the taste and will continue to make/drink it nightly.

I make a ginger simple syrup by chopping up about a pound of fresh ginger (which results in 12oz of cleaned ginger) and slow boiling it in 6 cups of water and 2 cups of stevia and 1 cup of sugar for 45mins. I use stevia because it has zero glycemic value. I may switch completely to stevia. I then strain out the ginger pieces with a simple kitchen strainer.

This mix results in about a quart of simple syrup and a cup or more of sweet, candy-like ginger bits.

Nightly, I mix a couple tablespoonfuls of syrup with 12oz water and make hot tea. But, I also add in a tablespoon of the ginger pieces before heating the tea, and "scoop" them out of my tea as I drink it.

Yummy and healthy! Yes, depending on the batch of ginger, sometimes it is VERY spicy. So, I adjust accordingly when I make my tea.

Eph

Post Edited (Eph) : 7/5/2017 8:23:47 AM (GMT-6)

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Posted 7/5/2017 7:17 AM (GMT -7)
This does show promise, and I have always felt benefit from eating rice with some fresh ginger when flaring.

There have been various recommendation to include fresh ginger in diet for IBD.

What is new here is the pre-digestion represented by nanoparticles, and the extraction of one component of the plant - even just one component of the juice.

The OP said said...
Then my nanoparticle knowledgeable relative pointed out that the use of a centrifuge was simply to prove how the GDNPs were working in the mice. In fact, she said all I needed was a blender and cheesecloth.

This part is not clear. It would be very useful to have more explination here.

It is implied that getting just the GDNPs was an unnecessary step. But the adhesion to intestinal cells, and the non-toxiciticy was only studied for GNDPs. So it may be possible to overdose when using the juice, and it might not adhere as well.

Anyway, go slow and don't jump right into large amounts of juice.

Good luck

Post Edited (DBwithUC) : 7/5/2017 8:22:37 AM (GMT-6)

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Agreed DBwithUC.....it seems that extracting the alkaloids prior to heating would enhance the efficacy. But even with heating there is healing properties retained?

I am going to get the scoop from my friend and report back with the details. I am really intrigued with this as an adjunct to my regular meds. Not ready to give those up yet, but I planned on making golden turmeric paste, but if it isn't bioavailable I won't bother. I plan on reading more about that, as well.

@Simplys, do you think pulverizing in a nutribullet would suffice? and also, I was thinking of consuming the pulp as well.....any thoughts on that? I have a kava straining bag I could use instead of cheesecloth (no need for it as that experiment was a bust). Cheesecloth seems thick to me....and absorbent.....am I wrong there?

@ Eph, I love the taste of ginger, too. And I feel it helps me with digestion and just finished up a pack of store bought tea. Definitely no comparison to homemade!
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Posted 7/5/2017 8:04 AM (GMT -7)
I have juiced ginger in the past and what I think are the alkaloids end up at the bottom of the liquid as white milky substance that I did not use.
I applaud the OP for finding what works for him but also say "be careful" because not enough/any studies have been done on high amounts of ginger intake on humans.

OP mentioned the ginger seemed like steroids, which it may well be in mega dose, acting as anti-inflammatory.
I used highly concentrated curcumin/turmeric over a year ago and it replaced my oral RX perfectly, happy gut.
But...it was so anti-inflammatory that I developed skin problems due to superficial cuts not healing (got a very bad infection needed IV antibiotics) and later developed a very fast growing cataract in one eye that usually is a result of steroids or diabetes, neither in my history.

Just because something is natural does not make it safe in high doseage. Just wanted to put my experience in.
Am impressed you can handle this amount of liquid ginger daily, I used to add it to my veggie juice and a little ginger juice went a looong way.
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Posted 7/5/2017 9:16 AM (GMT -7)
I thought I had a thread on this from back in January, but cant find it.
I did juice ginger and took about 2 tablespoons a day, did not seem to help, but did thin blood.

When I used the juicer I seem to recall it took about 1/2 pound of root per 100 ml of juice.
OP seems to indicate he takes 50 to 100 ml of juice which is a huge amount,but if it takes that much to work,who knows.
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Posted 7/5/2017 9:41 AM (GMT -7)
Just remember that ginger is contraindicated in pregnancy...as well, it is a blood thinner. Keep that in mind when using other blood thinning property supplements such as omegas, vitamin E, meds....etc.

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Posted 7/5/2017 9:55 AM (GMT -7)
Perhaps I am a cynic, but I find the carefully typed up "this is a cure" type posts from anyone highly suspect. Even with mouse articles to support it. Add to that the fact that this person has only posted 4 times in 3 years.
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Posted 7/5/2017 10:02 AM (GMT -7)
It's definitely up to us to sort that stuff out. People believe and try anything for that enticing concept....cure!

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DBwithUC said...

The OP said said...
Then my nanoparticle knowledgeable relative pointed out that the use of a centrifuge was simply to prove how the GDNPs were working in the mice. In fact, she said all I needed was a blender and cheesecloth.

This part is not clear. It would be very useful to have more explination here.

It is implied that getting just the GDNPs was an unnecessary step. But the adhesion to intestinal cells, and the non-toxiciticy was only studied for GNDPs. So it may be possible to overdose when using the juice, and it might not adhere as well.

Her advice was that purification and isolation of the GDNPs may not be necessary. The study did aim to treat mice with the purified GDNPs but my relative pointed out that simply extracting the juice and consuming it may be enough without purifying the actual lipids/6-gingerols compounds. The primary purpose of the study purifying the GDNPs was to prove that they were in fact the method of healing. If you want to try their efficacy at home, simply pulverizing the ginger and extracting the juices is all that is necessary. In the future I see commercial level purification of the GDNPs as a form of treatment, but you'd need about $40k+ in lab equipment to try it at home. Nobody but a professional involved with the study could speak with absolutes to the necessity level of purification or yield of GDNPs. It might be necessary, but I had success without that step and wanted to share.

Yes, you can "overdose" with too much Ginger. There is a bit of info that Google can provide on that topic.

OldMike said...
When I used the juicer I seem to recall it took about 1/2 pound of root per 100 ml of juice.

I meant to measure, but my shredding juicer is very efficient. My regular daily is 50ml of juice in a ten ounce cup of water. I can usually yield that 50ml from about four thumb sized pieces of ginger. I'll do a yield test later today and report back.

imagardener2 said...
OP mentioned the ginger seemed like steroids, which it may well be in mega dose, acting as anti-inflammatory.
I used highly concentrated curcumin/turmeric over a year ago and it replaced my oral RX perfectly, happy gut.
But...it was so anti-inflammatory that I developed skin problems due to superficial cuts not healing (got a very bad infection needed IV antibiotics) and later developed a very fast growing cataract in one eye that usually is a result of steroids or diabetes, neither in my history.

That is terrifying. I'll have to talk to my doc about monitoring this. How much curcumin are we talking here?

imagardener2 said...
I have juiced ginger in the past and what I think are the alkaloids end up at the bottom of the liquid as white milky substance that I did not use

Ginger is very starchy and I'm about 99% sure it's starch. I only guess this because if you play with it, it's non-Newtonian like corn-starch and water. If you let it sit in your fridge for a couple days it will settle and you'll get quite a bit at the bottom. I stopped refrigerating it because I wasn't sure if the lipids were also settling and therefore not being consumed. When spun at 150k the force of gravity the lipids formed into hard pellets, so I have to assume they would settle over time sitting in the fridge. I have no idea, just a simpleton's hypothesis really.

MarjieKay said...
do you think pulverizing in a nutribullet would suffice? and also, I was thinking of consuming the pulp as well.....any thoughts on that? I have a kava straining bag I could use instead of cheesecloth (no need for it as that experiment was a bust). Cheesecloth seems thick to me....and absorbent.....am I wrong there?

I would not consume the pulp, there is a lot of it, and in the study they specifically remove it. I actually have never used cheesecloth, but if it filters the juices out and keeps in the pulp, then mission accomplished.

FSLondon said...
Perhaps I am a cynic, but I find the carefully typed up "this is a cure" type posts from anyone highly suspect. Even with mouse articles to support it. Add to that the fact that this person has only posted 4 times in 3 years.

That post about Nopal cactus drove me nuts. I never did get around to trying it. Tried aloe once, gross! If I find some time I'll make a YouTube video (not monetized) to share with you about the process I go through. I haven't contributed anything because I had nothing to contribute, and honestly only browsed the forum when I was having a bad flare. Heck, I guarantee at least 25% of the people reading this right now are on the toilet. ;)
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Posted 7/5/2017 2:52 PM (GMT -7)
Update: 80g of ginger yielded 60ml of juice. Mixed with 9oz of water and a tablespoon of honey, hot but drinkable.
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Our experience with ginger - For 4+ years DD drank boiled ginger water instead of plain water. Every morning I boiled a big sauce
Pan water and added fresh ginger slices. Might have helped the recovery along with diet and FMT...
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Hey Simply,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Perhaps I missed it. I'm also extraordinarily tired from a very unexpected and severe flare up the past few days and not thinking good. Would you be willing to share a blow by blow account of how you make this tea? Either here or pm me?
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nourse said...
Hey Simply,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Perhaps I missed it. I'm also extraordinarily tired from a very unexpected and severe flare up the past few days and not thinking good. Would you be willing to share a blow by blow account of how you make this tea? Either here or pm me?

It is worth noting that I started drinking this when I was having 4 BMs a day, urgency, gut pain but with minimal blood, no fever and no malaise. If your colon is inflamed, you may need to get it under control first. I have not tried using ginger to induce remission mid-flare, but rather when trying to improve and maintain remission.

Also, please read the health cautions above. Too much ginger, or other medications and conditions, can cause serious complications.

I blend about a handful of ginger, extract the juices, and mix 50ml of the juice with 10oz of water that is no hotter than 70deg centigrade, then add honey for taste. You can use more water to dilute the ginger if its too spicy.
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That is an important thing to note. It seems the maintenance meds are effective when all is calm and not so much when things are inflamed. So this ginger could be considered more of a maintenance med?

I cannot wait to get home and schedule my eye re-check so I can get the low down on my docs hubs routine. She said he is on zero meds and hasn't't been for a long time. I guess I need to ask him about other dietary changes and also how much ginger he uses per day (and if he is experiencing any side effects at present from ginger).

Also, what his state was and which meds he was using when he went into remission. As I stated before, he was in very rough shape when I left and I remember feeling very bad for him. He hadn't been able to have a job for 3-4 years at that point due to .....well, you know.

I'll update, too!
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Posted 7/6/2017 5:53 AM (GMT -7)
Nourse,

Here is my step by step ginger tea process:

1) Buy 1lb ginger
2) Peel it and chop it into small pieces with knife or chopper (I like mine minced). This yields about 12oz of minced ginger.
3) Add ginger to 6 cups water and 3 cups sugar and bring to boil (the ratio is 4oz ginger to 2 cups water and 1 cup sugar)
4) Simmer for 45 minutes
5) Strain ginger out of syrup, but keep the cooked ginger. It is yummy - like candy! Store both in fridge. The minced ginger only lasts about a week.
6) Each evening, I add about 1 tablespoon of syrup and 1-2 tablespoons of the cooked ginger to a large mug and fill with water. Heat in microwave and let steep for a few minutes with a plate over the mug.
7) Enjoy the result! I scoop out the ginger from the tea as I drink it. Fantastic! But, I like spicy food.

Note: Since I drink this every night, I substitute much of the sugar with a stevia blend from a brand called Pyure. It is "baking ready" and can be used at the same ratios as sugar.

Eph
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just curious there eph > why all the sugar ? what would be the result if the sugar were omitted ?
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I have had great success with ginger as well. Celestial Seasonings makes a great ginger tea, I steep it for at least 1/2 hour. It's very soothing and tastes wonderful, something everyone with UC should add to their toolbox. Just remember, ginger thins the blood, so go easy when in a flare. Thanks for posting this thread!
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Troubled: Because I am making a simple syrup and I only use one tablespoonful to about 16oz water. You can certainly try it without the sugar. But, my recipe is just right for me. The sweetness compliments the ginger quite nicely. As mentioned, I offset the potential issue of sugar intake by using the zero-glycemic value stevia.
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Posted 7/6/2017 7:20 AM (GMT -7)
I love to hear others have similar experience with ginger. I'll reiterate that 6-gingerols are lost when heated above 70deg centigrade or if the ginger is dried. I used to make ginger tea daily, very strong tea made from cooking slices, and even though I did it every day for a year, it didnt do much for me.
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simplys

I took 2g of 95% curcumin capsules daily and sometimes as much as 4g. I wrongly felt safe doing this after reading an NIH study saying amounts as high as 12g showed no negative results. Perhaps they were using actual turmeric root, not the 95% refined as I used. Good results for my gut from curcumin 95% but bad results for other body parts.

That's why I'm cautioning about high dose ginger, concerned about what else it may be doing even though giving good results for gut.
And as mentioned ginger is a blood thinner, like curcumin, and can cause bruising and other non-desired side effects. People on blood thinners should def. not be using either one without doctor supervision.

I made some ginger tea last night using fresh ginger plus honey and coconut milk and it was GREAT.
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simplys
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Posted 7/6/2017 1:46 PM (GMT -7)
>imagardener2

I agree on all points. I will share that I cut my hands frequently, scrape my knees from sports, I just got slammed to the ground last week. Bruise healed in a couple days, cuts heal as normal. I'll ask my doc to have my blood tested for thickness if I can.
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