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Carioke65
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Joined : Jul 2015
Posts : 69
Posted 10/23/2018 4:08 PM (GMT -7)
Hi...
I have had UC for almost 19 years....
I am on Lialda, and CBD oil.. and was doing pretty well! Nine days ago,
I attended a baby shower.. ate Caesar Salad.. and about two hours into the party.. had violent cramps.. spent over an hour with severe diarrhea..
It stopped long enough for me to go home..
Had diarrhea for four days until I went to
the Dr. and had a stool culture. Came back
positive for C- Diff. Never was on antibiotics.. put on Vancomycin, which is making my UC worse . C- Diff can be fatal.
Have to continue on Vancomycin.
Has anyone with UC ever have C- Diff...
if so please tell me what else I can do to make my stomach feel better.
Thanks !!!!
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ks1905
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Posted 10/23/2018 4:22 PM (GMT -7)
Take probiotics with it. Vanco is ~90% affective in treating c.diff. There is a newer medication called Dificid which is even more affective.
Keith

DX'd with Severe Pancolitis June 2005
Previous Meds: 5ASAs, Predisone, 6-MP. Remicade, Humira, Simponi, Cimzia & Cyclosporine
3-step J-Pouch surgery: 2013 & 2014

Current Condition: Chronic Pouchitis -- Not as bad as I thought it would be
Current Meds: Stelara
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IamCurious
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Posted 10/23/2018 4:35 PM (GMT -7)
I agree about probiotics. All probiotics may help but the one probiotic that actually targets C Diff specifically is Saccharomyces boulardii.

If you can find a facility that supports it, fecal transplants are supposed to be 95 percent effective against C Diff.
Male, born 1951, DX IBD Feb08. No meds, allergic to Mesalamine. Food diary instead of SCD or Paleo.
When needed VSL#3DS sprinkled over powdered psyllium seed is very helpful.

Lactobacillus Reuteri (NCIMB 30242), Culturelle, Saccharomyces boulardii.
Fish oil, curcumin, extra D3, magnesium, multivitamin, glutamine when gut repair needed.

Resistant Starch and lots of fruit & vegetables (but no cruciferous), No Gluten, no soda, no HFCS, no shellfish. No processed foods with maltodextrin, sorbitol, polysorbate80 or carrageenan. No GMO foods saturated with Roundup.
Nature created all of the locks, therefore Nature has all of the keys
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nealzy
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Posted 10/23/2018 5:09 PM (GMT -7)
I had 2 bouts of C-Diff before being diagnosed with UC. Vanco knocked it out for good, but I also was using Probiotics that included the aforementioned Saccharomyces Boulardii. It took the full 2 weeks of Vanco to get rid of the C-Diff. Pain subsided after about 7-8 days on Vanco...
01/16: Given Clindamycin for staph infection in stye that kicked off this whole UC fun; C-Diff twice; Flagyl then Vancomycin 250mg fixed
2/18: Severe Pancolitis confirmed - Mesalamine 1.2gm + Uceris 9mg 1x day ok
4/18: First flare; Pred 40mg stepdown no good
9/18: 6 Remicade treatments done - no good, unable to lower beyond 30-40mg Pred
10/10/18: Starting Xeljanz 10mg twice day & try to taper Pred
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Jay79
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Posted 10/24/2018 3:24 AM (GMT -7)
Sorry to hear about your C-Diff.

Vanco made my UC worse also, so the last several times I was given Dificid which worked very well for me.
Absolutely with others who suggested taking a probiotic daily. Florastor is a good one but quite expensive. I take Saccharomyces boulardii which was already suggested.
Just had a FMT a few weeks ago, praying it will work well for me.

Might want to eat a light diet for a few days while Vanco starts working just to give your digestive track a break.
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limey
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Posted 10/24/2018 5:58 AM (GMT -7)
I have C-Diff four times starting in 2015 each time I was put on Vanco.
I joined a FMT study at our University Hospital in 2016 and have been clear every since .
As others have mentioned FMT has a success rate of about 95% for C-Diff and works really well for UC
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Sara14
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Posted 10/24/2018 12:49 PM (GMT -7)
I have had C diff. The vancomycin worked for me. How many days have you been on it? I don't think vanco typically makes UC worse, but I guess I don't really know (I didn't have that issue). Are you in pain? C diff was incredibly painful for me. I had to be hospitalized and I was given pain medicine that helped but really barely touched the pain. I was also crapting the bed in the hospital when I fell asleep...good times! I had campylobacter (food poisoning bacteria) at the same time and that reoccurred for two months...also extremely painful and debilitating. The ceaser salad would not have had anything to do with contracting c diff. That is odd you weren't on antibiotics and were not in the hospital recently, I assume? There is not a lot you can do other than continue to take the Vanco as prescribed and if you don't see improvement after a week or two, call your doctor. They will probably then put you on Dificid. I'm not a big believer in the effectiveness of probiotic pills but I do recommend eating food rich in probiotics, like fermented foods or yogurt.
34 years old; diagnosed UC March 2007.
9-29-16: "mild-to-moderate" chronic and active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Battled reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec 2016. Healthy since Dec. 25, 2016 until I started smoking May 2018. 10 mg pred. Re-quit smoking 8/30/18. Maintenance meds: Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa nightly. Singular & Allegra; Xanax.
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Carioke65
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Posted 10/25/2018 9:09 AM (GMT -7)
Hi Thanks for responding.. Was on Vancomycin for five days .. made me so much sicker.. The Dr. put me on Flagyl..
He would like to do a fecal transplant.. I am very afraid of side effects.. My stomach is very distended and am in pain.. Trying to avoid being admitted to the hospital.. At home, I get a cramp.. run to the bathroom.. In the hospital wouldn’t make it to the bathroom in time. I am very weak. Have been sick for 12 days. Living on applesauce and chicken broth ..
I have no idea how I contacted this horrible
bacteria.. How did you get it?
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limey
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Posted 10/26/2018 5:55 AM (GMT -7)
I have been on an FMT study for almost 2 years, these days I get a maintenance dose once a month.
I have never experienced any side effects from the FMT and only have good things to say for it.
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CJCured
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Posted 10/26/2018 8:48 AM (GMT -7)
FMT is curing C diff for sure and FMT was also strarted for UC which is successful.Initially FMT was started for COWS.Also add Home made Kefir or lifeway kefir which helps with your symptoms a lot.If you are in Calofirnia try organic pasteurs kefir.Please google kefir and C diff read all review and youtube videos.Kefir has 26 to 54 types of good bacteria which kills the bad bacteria and also food that is sent to C diff bacteria.You can see good results in 2 days to one weeks.You can borrow kefir from kefir facebook groups.
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Doggiedo
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Posted 10/29/2018 8:38 AM (GMT -7)
I think when I had it (back when I had UC) they put my on Fagyl first bc it was cheaper for insurance to cover, and when that didn’t work, they bumped me up to Vanco which worked like a dream.

I think you should be feeling better already :/ You’re probably dehydrated at this point as well...

As far as how do you get it, anyone can get it. I think since at the time, I was on azathioprine, my immune system was compromised and made me more susceptible to infection. Older people and younger people, who have compromised immune systems are more likely to get it. Other people who may test positive c diff may have it in their body but their body is strong enough to fight it. It’s just one of those fluke things, unfortunately. Bad luck on my part.

I hope they figure it out and you’re feeling better very soon!

Post Edited (Doggiedo) : 10/29/2018 9:41:16 AM (GMT-6)

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C_G_K
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Posted 10/29/2018 9:27 AM (GMT -7)
I had c-diff a while back and the Vanco made my symptoms worse. Mayo put me prednisone at the same time I was taking Vanco and that did the trick. I also took Florastor which is a probiotic. Studies show that Florastor competes with c-diff and crowds it out of your guts.
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Carioke65
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Posted 10/29/2018 2:39 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks for responding. I was put on Vancomycin, took it for six days and it made my UC worse .. switched to Flagyl.. made me sicker. Went back on Vancomycin ,
and am bleeding and very nauseous . Dr. said stop the antibiotics for now.. I don’t think the C- Diff is gone. This has been going on for over 2 weeks . I am very
upset and scared. What is to become of me😂😂😂
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IamCurious
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Posted 10/29/2018 5:56 PM (GMT -7)
When all else fails you could ask your doctor to refer you to a facility that performs FMT.
Male, born 1951, DX IBD Feb08. No meds, allergic to Mesalamine. Food diary instead of SCD or Paleo.
When needed VSL#3DS sprinkled over powdered psyllium seed is very helpful.

Probiotics, Lactobacillus Reuteri (NCIMB 30242), Fish oil, curcumin, black cumin, extra D3, magnesium, multivitamin, glutamine when gut repair needed.

Resistant Starch and lots of fruit & vegetables (but no cruciferous), No Gluten, no soda, no HFCS, no shellfish. No processed foods with maltodextrin, sorbitol, polysorbate80 or carrageenan. No GMO foods saturated with Roundup.
Nature created all of the locks, therefore Nature has all of the keys
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notsosicklygirl
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Posted 10/29/2018 6:13 PM (GMT -7)
You likely have to retest and see where things stand. I guess at this point, your option will be retreatment with one of the drugs you tried, or Dificid, or FMT. I personally wouldn't be scared to do FMT. it can be beneficial to both UC and c diff. I feel like I rarely hear people report adverse results from FMT, I have heard of people not having any result (they were trying to treat their UC with FMT not c diff), but never heard of anyone come back and say they regret doing it. That said, my GI mentioned that it can make UC worse, but I think she was trying to dissuade me from doing it at home. She didn't provide any study that proves anything. I had surgery though, and I am very thankful I did. If FMT did the trick, I definitely would have given it a go before accepting surgery as the answer. At the same time, it's like all treatments, if it works, it might work for a day, or a week, or years, but eventually, a flare up is likely to happen.
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Carioke65
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Posted 10/29/2018 6:32 PM (GMT -7)
To I am curious... thanks for responding....
Doctor mentioned it.. Don’t know anyone in person that has done it...
Everything has side effects, but can’t do more antibiotics.
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Carioke65
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Posted 10/29/2018 6:35 PM (GMT -7)
To Not So Sickly Girl.. Thanks for responding
FMT.. May be my only option. My UC is so severe thanks to the Vancomycin and
Flagyl ...
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Bloom93
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Posted 11/6/2018 9:15 AM (GMT -7)
DD had 5 DIY home fecal transplant for her C.diff. No side effects other than slight fever during evenings for few days and then on her UC is in remission to this date.

Best wishes..
Daughter 24yrs- UC Pan colitis.-In Remission achieved by 5 home fecal transplant in 2011.
Diagnosed in May 2011
SCD diet (2011-2013)
Occasional sugar , milk and outside foods(2013- 2014)
Normal diet - 2015
5 Home fecal transplants for C.diff in dec 2011.
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Sir Egg Benedict
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Posted 11/7/2018 9:46 PM (GMT -7)
I had a horrible case of C-diff. When it started, I went to the ER because I quickly became dehydrated. They didn't order a stool test or anything, just referred me to my GI and gave me steroids, assuming that it was a UC flare.
My GI doc didn't order any studies either and just kept me on prednisone.. effectively muting my immune system and allowing the C-diff to grow uncontrolled for several weeks until the level of toxins in my tract caused some of the most horrible illness I've ever had.. at that point I demanded a full work-up for infections, parasites, etc.. and came back positive for C-diff.

Even with that severe an infection the vancomycin kicked its butt after about 4-5 days.. I was totally normal by the end of the course..

however, it -did- trigger a flare that lingered, going from mild to moderate.. they tried putting me on another taper, steroid enemas.. etc.. basically I've never been the same since. I was placed on Humira not too long ago and another taper.. and things finally seem to be calming down. I was re-tested for C-diff a few times, confirming that it's gone.

C-diff is just evil.
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Sara14
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Posted 11/15/2018 11:11 AM (GMT -7)
Did they try Dificid yet? Usually that one is tried after vanco. Why did your doctor just pull you off antibiotics if you still have c diff? How are you doing now? Don't be scared of the fecal transplant. I would do it if the antibiotics failed. C diff is the most painful thing I have ever experienced. Go back to the hospital if you need to.

You asked how I got c diff. I got it due to being on antibiotics for months for reoccurring campylobacter (my doctor and I were both stumped about why it kept coming back...symptoms would disappear on antibiotics and come back after I finished my course. I'm guessing I wasn't on the right antibiotic to fight it off because it finally went away when he switched me to amoxicillin), and was in the hospital due to that. I probably picked it up at the hospital.
34 years old; diagnosed UC March 2007.
9-29-16: "mild-to-moderate" chronic and active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Battled reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec 2016. Healthy since Dec. 25, 2016 until I started smoking May 2018. Re-quit smoking 8/30/18 & stayed in remission. Maintenance meds: Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa nightly. Singular & Allegra; Xanax.
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Sara14
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Posted 11/15/2018 11:15 AM (GMT -7)
The vanco made me feel kind of messed up and crappy but it did get rid of my c diff after a few weeks (can't remember how long). I hope they re-tested you for c diff and/or did a scope and that you are doing better now. It was hard to know what was causing my symptoms at that time -- infectious causes or UC or both...
34 years old; diagnosed UC March 2007.
9-29-16: "mild-to-moderate" chronic and active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Battled reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec 2016. Healthy since Dec. 25, 2016 until I started smoking May 2018. Re-quit smoking 8/30/18 & stayed in remission. Maintenance meds: Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa nightly. Singular & Allegra; Xanax.
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