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Sara14
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Posted 11/8/2019 7:41 AM (GMT -7)
Last night, I looked in my medicine cabinet because I was trying to remember which antibiotic eventually worked for my campylobacter, and I found my almost-empty vancomycin bottle (I took my entire course as prescribed but had 3 extra pills for some reason; I remember the antibiotic making me feel ill). The dose I took was 125 mg every 6 hours (so 4 times a day which equals 500 mg total). What dose were you guys started on if what I took is the "high-dose?"
35 years old; diagnosed UC March 2007 (couldn't get scope all the way thru).
9-29-16: chronic and active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Battled reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec 2016. Remission since 12/25/16 until I started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Re-quit smoking. Maintenance: Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa nightly. Started Remicade 7/25/19. 50 mg pred 10/29/19.
*Jen*
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Posted 11/8/2019 12:55 PM (GMT -7)
CC I agree. I am feeling SO much better and even ran some errands today. It is the lack of energy that was killing me with my busy life. I can tolerate pain and even D but when I can’t get out of bed I am just done!! Only day three and I have formed stool and less mucous. Still having blood. I am taking 4 lialda a day. Going to stay on that just in case I also have a minor flare underneath
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
*Jen*
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Posted 11/8/2019 12:57 PM (GMT -7)
Sarah I was taking the 125mg every six hours. Now I am taking 500mg! I don’t feel sick at all but also taking probiotics. Nervous this high of a dose will kill all things good and heading into stomach virus and cold season. Also wondering if I should get a flu shot or wait...asked my doc but she didn’t respond. Thankful the 500mg isn’t making me sick and I am getting my energy back!
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
Tblock1985
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Posted 11/8/2019 1:06 PM (GMT -7)
Jen, See told you. Can’t believe your Dr was initially questioning the High Dose Vanco and saying “ there’s no evidence”. The moment I went on 500MG Vanco 4x a day, I slowly started to get in remission.
Sara14
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Posted 11/8/2019 1:17 PM (GMT -7)
Oh I see. I thought you meant 500 mg per day. That IS a high dose then! Lol. I'm sure it is killing all things good but you have no other option. I got a flu shot this year, mostly because I'm on Remicade.
35 years old; diagnosed UC March 2007 (couldn't get scope all the way thru).
9-29-16: chronic and active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Battled reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec 2016. Remission since 12/25/16 until I started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Re-quit smoking. Maintenance: Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa nightly. Started Remicade 7/25/19. 50 mg pred 10/29/19.
swhitty
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Posted 11/8/2019 1:37 PM (GMT -7)
I wish I had known this about
the high dose vanco! All three times they gave it to me, I never took more than 125mg every 6 hours. Although antibiotics suck, the nice thing about
vancomycin is that it is narrow-spectrum, meaning it targets mainly the C. diff and spares alot of the good bacteria in your gut. Also, the antibiotic doesn't get absorbed into your blood stream... it just works in your gut. So at least there's that! I'm so glad to hear that you're feeling better, and it's reassuring to hear that this may be an option for others who are struggling to get relief with standard dosing and treatments.
*Jen*
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Posted 11/19/2019 10:10 AM (GMT -7)
So my daughter ended up in the ER on Saturday morning. They said that they have had 3 cases of c-diff that week! I didn't go with her as I was so scared of reintroducing it to me. So sad to not be there for her... I made my husband and her take off their clothes in the garage and shower right away. He set something down on the kitchen counter and I immediately took out my bleach. Is anyone else freaked out to get it again? I am not a paranoid person but seriously feel scared from my experience. I am done with my last doses tomorrow and am so scared that it is going to come back!!!
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
Sara14
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Posted 11/19/2019 10:28 AM (GMT -7)
I'm glad you are being extra cautious! Yes, I was paranoid for a long time to get it again. When I crossed the 6-month c-diff. free mark, I felt a wave of relief (they say it can live on surfaces for 6 months). To this day, when I go to the hospital for bloodwork or to my doctor's office, I am very careful to avoid touching door handles and I turn off the bathroom sinks with paper towels and I wash my hands as soon as I can when I leave.
35 yrs old; dxd UC March '07 (couldn't get scope all the way thru). 9-29-16: chronic & active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec '16. Remission 12/25/16 until started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa. Remicade 7/25/19 (worked 2 mos). 50 mg pred 10/29/19 (Tapering:40 mg 11-18-19). Began Humira & Imuran (150 mg) 11-16-19
geezernow
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Posted 11/20/2019 2:30 AM (GMT -7)
LOL Yup, I too am still bleaching everything in sight....except my wifes clothes.LOL I went to my gastro doc last Friday and dropped off a stool sample for his lab Monday. HOPEFULLY....I'm all clear. I was taking 250mg of Vanco. and finished it about
three weeks ago. Seem to be free of it now...time shall tell. It took two rounds of Vanco for me and my doc said that c. diff is becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics. Pretty scary for the future! I too, am very careful after hospital visits...infusions...As soon as I get home, I fling my clothes into the washer with bleach, clean my vehicle steering wheel, gear shifter, and everything else I touch with 10% bleach. I'm a real germophobic for now, but it's worth it to prevent my spreading it to anyone else. Best of luck to everyone. C. Diff was a journey I certainly don't wish to take again!!!
diagnosed in 1997. meds: Entyvio, Mesalamine-800mg. 3x a day,Hyoscyamine sulfate odt 0.125 4-6 hours as needed,Omeprazole 40mg 1 capsule a day,Latanoprost op 0.005% 1 drop each eye, Amlodipine Besylante, vancomycin, Sucralfate, Cholestyramine powder drink mix.
*Jen*
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Posted 11/21/2019 10:22 AM (GMT -7)
So last night I started feeling exhausted again and then had horrible D all night with the same stomach pain. I was 100% better until then. I don't think the antibiotics are working. I have never felt more hopeless than right now.
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
Sara14
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Posted 11/21/2019 10:29 AM (GMT -7)
I'm so sorry. You might have to try Dificid. Did you tell your doctor?
35 yrs old; dxd UC March '07 (couldn't get scope all the way thru). 9-29-16: chronic & active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec '16. Remission 12/25/16 until started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa. Remicade 7/25/19 (worked 2 mos). 50 mg pred 10/29/19 (Tapering:40 mg 11-18-19). Began Humira & Imuran (150 mg) 11-16-19
CCinPA
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Posted 11/21/2019 10:36 AM (GMT -7)
Perhaps you should do another stool test to make sure it's the c diff. and if it is, then it sounds like you need a different antibiotic.
60 yo female diagnosed w/UC to mid transverse 1/1/13, now UC or Crohn's colitis. Remission on Entyvio 10/2016-12/2017 before losing response. Had response to Humira with loading doses in Nov 2018, but then lost response. Current meds: Remicade 3/15/19, Asacol HD 2 Tabs 3x/day, Capozide 1/day (hypertension). Dexilant.
*Jen*
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Posted 11/21/2019 1:44 PM (GMT -7)
OK, so she is telling me to do a taper with cydromycin I guess so that it is in my system for longer but less over time? If that doesn't work then fecal transplant, but she gave me the warnings for that and it scares me!!!
The taper I recommended, which is actually what I would do first.
125 mg 4 times daily for 1 week
125 mg 3 times daily for 1 week
125 mg 2 times daily for 1 week
125 mg 1 time daily for 1 week
Then stop. If symptoms recur and we document c. Dificile, then I would recommend a stool transplant
potential risks associated with FMT therapy. FMT has been documented in patients with IBD who have had recurrent c diff and the majority of these cases have tolerated the therapy well but there have been some reports of flare up of IBD following FMT. Approximately 20% of patients undergoing FMT will have temporary symptoms of bloating and change in bowel habit. This usually resolves within days of the procedure. The risk for infectious complication is considered to be low because of the extensive screening of donors but it is still a consideration when transferring bodily fluids. Finally, in a follow-up of 77 patients who underwent FMT for c diff, 4 patients were found to have developed a new autoimmune disease within 1 year of FMT (Brandt AJG 2013). While the potential for developing a new autoimmune disease with FMT has not been established, this study raises concern for this possibility and this patient was made aware of this concern.
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
Sara14
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Posted 11/21/2019 1:59 PM (GMT -7)
What is cydromycin? Typo?
I think your doctor's plan sounds solid. I wouldn't be scared of FMT myself. But you could try Dificid first. I find it odd she didn't recommend that first but FMT probably has a higher success rate.
35 yrs old; dxd UC March '07 (couldn't get scope all the way thru). 9-29-16: chronic & active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec '16. Remission 12/25/16 until started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa. Remicade 7/25/19 (worked 2 mos). 50 mg pred 10/29/19 (Tapering:40 mg 11-18-19). Began Humira & Imuran (150 mg) 11-16-19
*Jen*
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Posted 11/21/2019 2:09 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks Sara. I have never been so scared to not get better in my life. I have had UC flares for months and months and months, but this is so different. My energy is already zapped. I already did 2 rounds of 125 and then 10 days of 500. I don't know why she isn't recommending anything new... I asked her that questions in my email response. I'm assuming the data doesn't show a great success rate with other antibiotics.
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
Sara14
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Posted 11/21/2019 2:18 PM (GMT -7)
Flagyl, Vanco and Dificid are the 3 used for c diff. I think FMT has great success rates thought so she probably knows what she's doing. That being said though, if you'd rather try Dificid first due to those potential risks, definitely pursue that. I know what it's like -- that fear of not getting better. You will get better eventually though (and hopefully soon!). You've got a plan and options if that plan fails. You'll be ok. Hang in there.
35 yrs old; dxd UC March '07 (couldn't get scope all the way thru). 9-29-16: chronic & active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec '16. Remission 12/25/16 until started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa. Remicade 7/25/19 (worked 2 mos). 50 mg pred 10/29/19 (Tapering:40 mg 11-18-19). Began Humira & Imuran (150 mg) 11-16-19
*Jen*
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Posted 11/21/2019 3:25 PM (GMT -7)
This was her response to my question if we should try a different antibiotic:
I actually think you need an FMT, that means a colonoscopy with placement of stool from a healthy donor into your system. If you are ok with that, we can schedule soon. Until then do the taper.
I am so very discouraged. I just had a colonoscopy in October and I really don't even know how I am going to handle another one. I get major anxiety from them. I am in a pit of despair.
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
*Jen*
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Posted 11/21/2019 3:27 PM (GMT -7)
Just read my messages to my GI and I first outlined all of my symptoms on 9/3. I am wondering if this is not resolving because I have had c-diff for so long without treatment.
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
CCinPA
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Posted 11/21/2019 4:24 PM (GMT -7)
Did your daughter have c diff when she went to the ER? If so, you may have gotten re-infected from her.
What is cydromycin? I couldn't find anything when I googled.
60 yo female diagnosed w/UC to mid transverse 1/1/13, now UC or Crohn's colitis. Remission on Entyvio 10/2016-12/2017 before losing response. Had response to Humira with loading doses in Nov 2018, but then lost response. Current meds: Remicade 3/15/19, Asacol HD 2 Tabs 3x/day, Capozide 1/day (hypertension). Dexilant.
Sara14
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Posted 11/21/2019 5:29 PM (GMT -7)
PA -- I think she meant vancomycin.
Jen: I'm so sorry. That is a long time to suffer. I know what it's like. I only had c diff. once (may have had to take 2 rounds of antibiotics right in a row, can't remember), but at that same time period, I had campylobacter come back like 4 times. I Googled success rates of FMT and Dificid and Vanco after writing you earlier. It does look like FMT is the most successful, with Dificid coming in second. I did not do much research at all though, just a quick Google. C diff. is notorious for being difficult to treat. I think I read that it comes back more than once in 20-30% of patients and that number could be higher in people with IBD since our guts are already compromised.
35 yrs old; dxd UC March '07 (couldn't get scope all the way thru). 9-29-16: chronic & active proctosigmoiditis (infectious cause). Reoccuring campylobacter & c diff. Oct-Dec '16. Remission 12/25/16 until started smoking again in 2018 after 9 yrs quit. Delzicol, 6, 2xday; Rowasa. Remicade 7/25/19 (worked 2 mos). 50 mg pred 10/29/19 (Tapering:40 mg 11-18-19). Began Humira & Imuran (150 mg) 11-16-19
*Jen*
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Posted 11/22/2019 7:17 PM (GMT -7)
My doc wants me to check myself into the hospital on Sunday so I can be evaluated and likely FMT on Monday. I can’t believe this is where I am now.
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
*Jen*
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Posted 11/22/2019 7:33 PM (GMT -7)
My daughter had a ruptured ovarian cyst. No one in my family has gotten c-diff
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
swhitty
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Posted 11/22/2019 7:38 PM (GMT -7)
Jen, try not to let the fecal transplant scare you. They need to give you those warnings because it's not FDA approved and because you're being exposed to a human "product". When pharmaceutical companies aren't paying for the research studies, it's naturally going to take longer for an alternative treatment like this to get accepted by Western medicine. They do heavy screenings on the donors and stool just like when people donate blood, so it is quite safe, but of course there will always be a risk. I would be ecstatic if my doctor suggested a fecal transplant for me. I literally had to beg my doctor to do it, and it was the best thing that ever happened to me and was the only reason I was able to avoid surgery and get out of the hospital.
I had a fecal transplant for my C. diff on day 54 of my HOSPITALIZATION (I had already been sick for 3 weeks prior to the hospitalization. I failed vancomycin three times, Dificid once, and IV metronidazole once), and if I had a say in the future, I would do the fecal transplant on day 1 if I could. Instead of thinking of it as icky poop, think of it as nature's probiotic... you will literally be getting thousands of beneficial bacteria introduced into your gut, many of which can't be grown in a lab... and I would take that any day over any antibiotic. I didn't have any cramping or side effects from the fecal transplant, and within a few days I was already noticing a significant improvement in my symptoms. To this day, I continue to feel great, and my stool is more solid than it has been in ten years. I actually have to push sometimes which is a foreign concept to me!
I'm sorry you are going through this, and I hope whatever treatment they decide to do ends up working for you.
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Posted 11/22/2019 9:13 PM (GMT -7)
Switty you literally made me start crying. I don’t have any issues with the ick factor. The side effects scared me and also being an hour away from my family in a hospital by myself. I am super strong but certain things(like c-scopes and the unknown) scare me to death. I am usually so in control and c-diff has taken that from me. I know things could be soo much worse. I can’t believe how long you were in the hospital!! You are so strong. Amazing... I just have those thoughts that other things weren’t tried yet. Is this too drastic? I don’t even feel that badly(used to pain and D with UC) that being hospitalized seems soooooo severe... So since you had the FMT, how soon after did you get to leave the hospital?? I am also scared because I know they will want a stool sample and I am nervous I won’t be able to poop on command. And then having to do prep Sunday night...what if they don’t give me anti-anxiety pill. I have so much anxiety from all this. I would rather put up with the c-diff but then you read all the crazy stuff online about
colon removal and death. I don’t want to wait and then have lasting effects.. so you would have done it day one?? That makes me feel soo much better. Thank you for taking the time to reply. I feel so alone in all this. My doc wouldn’t even talk live to me and just sent me emails. She is a great UC doc but just so busy
Officially Diagnosed with UC in June 2003. Have had stomach issues since 1989. Unknown if they are related or not. Have mild/moderate UC. Have had 6 flares, the last one caused by giving birth. Currently back in remission! Only taking 6 Asacol a day. Will take Rowasa enemas as needed. Colozal did not work for me. Luckily my UC is relatively minor and responds well to meds, but man do those flares hurt!
swhitty
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Posted 11/23/2019 5:48 AM (GMT -7)
I was in the hospital for two more weeks after the FMT, but that was because they were having trouble transitioning me from IV to oral steroids. It had nothing to do with the fecal transplant. In your case, I imagine they would have you out in a day or two. I don't think it's unreasonable to request an anti-anxiety medication, and I would hope they would respect your wishes in that regard, especially if it would help you get through the procedure.
I know what you are saying about
the hospital seeming too severe. Even when I got admitted, I didn't think I needed to be in the hospital. The only reason I went was because I was continuing to lose weight and had hit 100 pounds which was my cut-off. I didn't go because of the symptoms, I went because I couldn't maintain my weight and because my body was wasting away.
I get what you're saying about
feeling like FMT is too drastic of a next step. I don't think it's unreasonable to try Dificid since it has been shown to be slightly more effective than Vancomycin if I remember correctly. The other antibiotic, metronidazole, is not a miracle drug, but I think the Dificid is certainly worth trying if you are more comfortable with that. I personally would go with the fecal transplant, but that's because I already know that the Dificid didn't work for me.
Keep us updated on everything. It sucks to be feeling the way you are, and it's time to get better!
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