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Surgery last Monday. Should have done this years ago.

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AndyRoark
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Posted 10/27/2019 8:42 PM (GMT -6)
UC for 10 years. All the meds failed. Got way sick this year and decided for Step 1 of the J Pouch surgery.

The last week was a blur, thanks to modern medicine. No, seriously. Thanks modern medicine.

And after a couple of days wrapping my head around the ostomy and stoma, I finally am starting to trust the equipment. Until today I had been pouring all of the UC worry and attention onto the appliance but it's not necessary. These things are designed well and just work, if you do your part and put them on right.

And today I realized something as I sat here "recovering". I'm bored. All of the brain power in my life has been spent for a decade trying to cope and adjust and plan for my disease.

And I don't have to do that anymore. I am free.

I'm sure there will be complications and over time I'll forget just how all encompassing UC actually was, but right now the comparison is stark. I have my life back.

This is awesome.

Andy
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MarkWithIBD
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Posted 10/27/2019 11:00 PM (GMT -6)
Thanks for sharing this really positive story about waking up with an ostomy. I have always wondered how I would react psychologically to it... happy that the UC nightmare is over? A bit distraught?

Your post is reassuring if I ever do get a colectomy.

I hope the rest of your recovery doesn't have complications like you said. Here's to smooth sailing!

Please keep us updated.
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AndyRoark
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Posted 10/28/2019 6:03 AM (GMT -6)
The mental part is not a walk in the park.

While my doctors had never suggested surgery before, it was lingering over each successive medication failure. For the last year I could see where i was going, but had hope that it wouldn't get there. This year I went through Entivyo and then Xeljanz (which worked wonderfully for two months and then just stopped). By the time I was on Xeljanz, I knew I was on my last leg so I threw myself into exercise (swimming, biking and weights) during the remission to get ready for surgery.

I was in pretty bad shape before the Xeljanz reprieve so getting to feel healthy for a couple of months put a new piece on the table. Honestly I don't think any of the meds before it had really worked as well as I thought they did - Xeljanz set a new baseline. I got to see what "well" felt like.

When I declined again, I felt it a lot harder because of that. So there is the choice - Do you want to feel sick and look normal or look sick (privately) and feel normal?

That is what I say when anyone asks. The truth? I still recoil a bit when I look at the stoma. I've always been a highly confident person - and right now I am afraid to leave the house. My wife is amazingly supportive and I am buying several cover-up belts that look more like weight belts than anything ostomy related but everytime I start to think about intimacy, I balk. I know that over the next few months I'll be able to whip my body back into shape that it hasn't been in since I was in my 20s and I'm looking forward to being able to do that but it's a psychological blow everytime I see the bag hanging off of me. Why bother, you know?

But then yesterday the pain in the morning cleared by around noon and the output was steady and regular. I did my first complete "change out" of the unit and figured out it wasn't that complicated. And for about eight hours I kinda forgot the whole thing was there. Maybe once an hour I would remember and have a few bad minutes, but then my mind tracked off to other things. I can see in a month or so that will become more normal and it is going to be wonderful because UC isn't anything I'm worried about anymore.

I've clearly got some work cut out for me in adjusting and accepting this thing. But for right now I'm trying to separate the two. Because if I do that, my UC problem is over.
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3timechamp
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Posted 10/28/2019 7:55 AM (GMT -6)
Had the UC monster for 32 years,had my surgeries in 2018.Best decision i ever made.No side effects except for hernia but im in construction so im to blame for not being careful enough.Worried so much about The Bag and it was very easy takeing care of it.Hope for good things for you.Sit back and rest
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Rosiedays
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Posted 10/28/2019 8:08 AM (GMT -6)
Such a wonderful post! I haven’t had surgery but I’m working on releasing some unrelated personal stress and it’s a huge weight off my shoulders to deal with this better. I’m not bored though, might be replacing that stress with UC stress. This is a good reminder to notice how much time this can take up. My symptoms aren’t that bad either. I’m so happy for you that feel bored and your self reflection is so positive! Thank you for this postsmile
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Tblock1985
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Posted 10/28/2019 8:43 AM (GMT -6)
Good for you. Thankfully for me meds and Pred usually get me in remission, so I don’t think I will ever need to go down the surgery route. It’s not something I personally want to do and as a young guy, having a bag attached to me terrifies me, but if you have no option and meds just don’t get you better, then this is 100% the best solution. I have just come out of a horrible 2 months from a severe C-Diff infection which hospitalised me and my 1st ever flare 9 years ago hospitalised me, so trust me I know what it’s like when it’s really bad.
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notsosicklygirl
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Posted 10/28/2019 8:43 AM (GMT -6)
I totally understand how you feel about having much more time now. All of the time I spent worrying about UC, "can I do this or that", what's going to happen with my career, my future, my health, do I need a change of clothes, can I eat that, is it time for medication, can I afford more time and money, do I want to live my life like this?? All of it is gone. I spend almost no time focused on health issues these days - unless I am here offering advice to others. That said, surgery isn't always a great success and it carries risk, so I understand fighting to avoid it. I am happy things worked out how they did for me, but I wouldn't mind having never dealt with any of it!

Living with the stoma is pretty easy once you get used to it. Of course, it's not something any of us ever wished for, but it does work and the supplies are pretty foolproof. I also felt more capable with my stoma than I did with UC for many years prior. I felt stronger and less worried about "accidents". I was a little apprehensive about my stoma, especially at first, but it gets easier. After takedown, waking up without it, was a dream. How many steps are you having?

The icing on the cake, for me, is not spending so much money and thought on all the health nonsense. I would spend 1000s a year on appointments, tests, and drugs.
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iPoop
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Posted 10/28/2019 9:55 AM (GMT -6)
Glad it went well. The stoma should be temporary if you are proceeding to an IPAA/J-pouch. Are you getting that, and in how many steps?
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AndyRoark
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Posted 10/28/2019 1:43 PM (GMT -6)
3 steps. Eight months or so between Step 1 and 2 to give things time to heal? They want to biopsy the colon to look for Chrohn's symptoms before we commit fully to the J pouch. I've had some mixed symptoms over the years.

For now, I'm ok with the uncertainty. Going to figure out this Ileostomy and thrive with it. Think I have been eating wrong for the last week or so. Still trying to eat three meals a day, largely of the same thing as before. Just spoke with the wound nurse that explained I am kinda starving myself and should eat a lot less, a lot more times a day. Like, every two hours. There is a lot to learn here.

I just wanted to leave a marker for anyone considering the surgery. No, it isn't wonderful. Yes - an ostomy does kinda suck at times. But it is not the end of the world and life goes on, in some ways for the better. I'm only a week out but I now know that I would and should have traded several of the last few years for the short term adjustment that is this.
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Andreita
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Posted 10/30/2019 10:38 AM (GMT -6)
Remember surgery is not always a cure for auto immune disease
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MarkWithIBD
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Posted 10/30/2019 12:01 PM (GMT -6)

Andrina said...
Remember surgery is not always a cure for auto immune disease

Are you speaking from personal experience? I see you have a j-pouch now. How's life been?
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geezernow
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Posted 10/30/2019 6:01 PM (GMT -6)
I'm very happy for all of you have been through surgery and have had good outcomes. Thank you for posting your experiences, worries, and feelings. I've been thinking a LOT about surgery for a while now. I know it's not guaranteed...nothing in this life is; but I'm SO tired of being afraid to leave home and having an 'accident'. Plus, it's taking away my time with family and the few friends I have who are still alive. Thanks again all, and best of luck in the future to all of you who have been through so much.
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Andreita
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Posted 10/30/2019 7:30 PM (GMT -6)

MarkWithIBD said...
Are you speaking from personal experience? I see you have a j-pouch now. How's life been?


Not good and I'm bitter

I was diagnosed with inflammatory arthritis and I'm still pooping my pants just like I did during my flare before surgery. My joints swell, have fever and pain. I will never be able to enjoy life again
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AndyRoark
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Posted 10/30/2019 7:41 PM (GMT -6)

geezernow said...
I know it's not guaranteed...nothing in this life is

Right there. That's the one.

Three months ago I took my wife to Destin for a beach vacation after years of not doing it. I was sick as hell, but I did it anyway because a big part of me honestly believed that I might be heading down for good and I wanted to do this one last thing. In and out of the hospital twice while I was there, bleeding almost non-stop and flew back against Doctor's orders - half dead.

Today was another day up hill after surgery. The pain is almost fully gone and I'm getting more comfortable "carrying a load" so to speak. At first I was emptying the bag 20 times a day or so because... well, it's a bag of crap. With the addition to a securing belt I am getting a lot more confident in the system and I went in the bathroom today three times.

Three times. Since I woke up. And each time was less than 5 minutes.

I honestly may not let them do the next two surgeries. I think I'm good. Less than two weeks and me and this bag are buddies.

Also, I feel like I'm 20 again. I. AM. NOT. SICK.

I am a stubborn SOB. Honestly all I was looking for was another way to fight this thing. I do not want to give up a single inch in my life to this disease. And for nine years it worked. This year, the harder I fought back the worse I felt and sicker I got. I was on the ropes, then on the mat. So, I took the gamble on the surgery because nothing in this life is a guarantee but I had lost and needed a new piece on the board.

Maybe this thing turns on me, and goes bad at some point in the future. Whatever. But without the surgery, today would have sucked because every day for the six months before the surgery I was losing the fight. But with the surgery, today did not suck. Not even a little bit.

Post Edited (AndyRoark) : 10/30/2019 7:55:48 PM (GMT-6)

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AndyRoark
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Posted 10/30/2019 7:47 PM (GMT -6)

Andrina said...

Not good and I'm bitter

I was diagnosed with inflammatory arthritis and I'm still pooping my pants just like I did during my flare before surgery. My joints swell, have fever and pain. I will never be able to enjoy life again

This sucks, and I'm sorry for you.
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noodlesnoodles
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Posted 10/30/2019 10:09 PM (GMT -6)
Andrina, have you considered getting rid of the J pouch and going back to the ostomy?
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3timechamp
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Posted 10/31/2019 5:45 AM (GMT -6)
Andy you think like me.Once i knew UC wasnt going to get better i said LETS DO IT.I already had seen surgeons so it was just a phone call away.I was too sick to have any fear.Now life is good
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AndyRoark
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Posted 10/31/2019 5:52 AM (GMT -6)

3timechamp said...
I was too sick to have any fear.

That's really it. I mean, what else you got? Get in there, cut that thing out and either wait for me to wake up or just go ahead without me. Light it on fire. Right there in the OR.

I'm doing as you suggested earlier and taking it way easy. Read up on hernias and do not want to push it. Its against my nature to not try to push a little but I get the picture here. Hole in abdominal wall. Strain. Bad things.

Were they able to fix yours?
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buckeyecrohnie
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Posted 10/31/2019 8:05 AM (GMT -6)
I've had my J-pouch for 5 years...no regrets. Is it perfect, no (but what is)! It's a million times better than UC!

Like you, Andy, I was amazed at how quickly I was feeling better after the Step 1 Surgery. I found the ostomy a lot to wrap my head around at first, but I was amazed at how well I could do all the things I had given up on- shopping, eating out, visiting friends, long car trips, etc. I did not want to have it permanently, but I know if I have to go back to it I can and still live a great life. I recently met a 96 year old lady that has had an ostomy since 1966 and she's had an active and full life. Either way you go will be better than dealing with UC!

Well wishes on your recovery to a UC free life!
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Andreita
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Posted 10/31/2019 6:04 PM (GMT -6)

noodlesnoodles said...
Andrina, have you considered getting rid of the J pouch and going back to the ostomy?


My surgeon fired me. I have no way back
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3timechamp
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Posted 10/31/2019 9:00 PM (GMT -6)
Andrina why do i get the feeling your depressed alot .My gastro[who i have had for 32 yrs] said the most powerful Med is between your ears.Not getting down on you but you need to be as positive as possible with this disease[not easy sometimes].You also need to get out of yourself as much as possible.Go volunteer at a hospital,anything to get out of our own head.It helped me . Andy i had surgery #1 Jan 9-2018,#2-April 9-18,#3-,August 21-18 i was done[or i thought].Last December i got out of shower and i was pregnant with a mouse[joke].I had an incisional hernia up high at top of my vertical incision.Too much lifting and eating [even though im 6'5-230].Im tall and slim but at 60yo you gain weight in your gut.So im letting my lift more and im eating less.Just relax and let your body heal.Did they cut u open vertically or horizontally???/
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CCinPA
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Posted 11/1/2019 3:49 AM (GMT -6)
Andrina -- there are lots of other surgeons. Talk with your GI and explain your symptoms. It's possible a medication can help or as a last resort find another surgeon to see about a reversal. You likely don't have to be doomed to spending the rest of your life in misery.

Andy -- so happy to hear you are doing well and feeling so much better. I hope life keeps getting better for you!!
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CCinPA
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Posted 11/1/2019 3:56 AM (GMT -6)
Also, Andrina -- you may have grounds for a law suit if your original surgeon refuses to help you when you are having problems. Talk with a medical malpractice attorney. It's insane that the surgeon refuses to see you when you need help.

You are a strong person (everyone who deals with this disease is pretty darned strong!). You can get through this!!!
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Sara14
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Posted 11/1/2019 12:30 PM (GMT -6)
I'm glad your surgery was successful and that you are doing well! It is always reassuring to hear positive surgery stories for those of us who may someday have to go down that road.
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AndyRoark
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Posted 11/1/2019 12:56 PM (GMT -6)
Thanks Sara. That was the big reason I went from being a lurker here to finally posting. I had seen a lot of horror stories about the surgery and they freaked me out. I get it. In the years of battling UC the big, bad monster of surgery was always out there and I had it fixed in my mind as the ultimate defeat and end of my life. The negative posts didn't help.

I get for some people it doesn't work and that really, really sucks. For me, two weeks out my entire life has changed. I feel better than I have in years. The stoma/ostomy isn't really as bad as you think (it isn't great, but you adjust). I am eager to go back to work next week. I am eager to get medically cleared to start exercising again. Parts of my life that I had been struggling to keep up with I finally get to focus on. And I get to go back to being stable.

I saw someone say that the internet posters who tended to have bad surgeries and results are very vocal on message boards while the successes are out living their lives. It's probably a very fair observation. But I at least wanted to leave something here before my life gets away from me again and I disappear so people who eventually get forced all the way down the road to surgery can see and know. Get in as good physical shape as you can. Get your mind right. Accept what's happening and make the most of it. And know that while surgery is a "bad" final outcome (medical remission would have been so frekkin awesome, but it wasn't for me) that there is nothing that says it has to go bad. That's up to you.
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