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HealingSarah123
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Posted 8/21/2020 8:45 AM (GMT -8)
Hi guys
So I’ve been trying the SCD and I’m really struggling. I never feel full and I feel like I’ve lost a lot of weight and my flare kind of got worse. I don’t know if I’m doing it right but I’m already a tiny Person and don’t want to lose more weight. Any tips?
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iPoop
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Posted 8/21/2020 11:29 AM (GMT -8)
SCD is kinda hard to follow (so darn restrictive) and yes you can loose weight on it. Have you given it at least a month? If so, might be time to move on and try something else. While I wish SCD was a silver bullet that slayed everyone's UC flare, sadly, it isn't.
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poopydoop
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Posted 8/21/2020 12:19 PM (GMT -8)
You don't *have* to do SCD to get better.

Even if the diet would work for you, it's incredibly restrictive and the psychological fallout from following it can be massive.

I tried it for a while and became exhausted mentally and physically. It didn't put me in remission.

There is no shame in taking medication.
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ld2186
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Posted 8/22/2020 10:26 AM (GMT -8)
Hi Sarah,
I’ve experimented a good amount with diet. Right now I eat modified Paleo. That with Humira keeps me in remission. I LOVE Danielle Walker’s cookbooks (she has 4). Not all of her recipes are SCD, but the ones that are are wonderful and filling.
I was also able to meet with a dietitian recommended by my GI doc. Is there someone you could consult with?
Good luck!
Lisa
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Uniform Charlie
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Posted 8/23/2020 1:19 AM (GMT -8)
I lost a ton on it as well and looked sickly. Sweet potatoes and oatmeal should be fine to add in as they were added into IBD-AID diet. Check your calorie intake using MyFitnessPal app. It's not magic and if you get no response then move on after a month.
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 8/23/2020 9:21 AM (GMT -8)
I actually just ordered Danielle walkers cookbook and follow her on Instagram but even she flared on SCD and is now on biologics

So I’ve been doing it for about 5 weeks now along with 75 mg imuran I do feel a little better but I’m still seeing blood in my stool. I’ve also lost weight and now I weigh 107 lbs my normal weight is around 115-120. I’m meeting w an integrative health doctor on Friday she’s the one who put me on this diet.
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 8/23/2020 9:23 AM (GMT -8)
I would also like to add that I was very very dependent on hydrocortisone enemas and don’t need them anymore it’s been over a month since I’ve last used them which is a miracle considering I’ve been trying to taper off for 2 years
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Oligodar
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Posted 8/24/2020 1:25 AM (GMT -8)
Look at: https://healthygut.com/articles/5-easy-ways-to-add-calories-to-the-scd-diet/
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 9/8/2020 12:23 PM (GMT -8)
Hi everyone
Just an update
I met with a dietician she suggested I eat more protein and told me the diet has been life changing for many of her clients.

I’m not as “hungry” and fatigued as I was before but my UC symptoms got worse. I’m trying the diet while taking asacol and 75 mg azathioprine. But now I see more blood in my bowels. I was reading about gluten withdrawal symptoms and there’s an actual thing as the storm before the calm.
As anyone else’s symptoms gotten worse before they got better? Any advice would be helpful as I just feel like crying right now.
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Lili35
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Posted 9/8/2020 12:51 PM (GMT -8)
Hi Sarah,

I am so sorry your experiencing this. I know how disheartening it is. Please know that the diet can take a while to work and that healing is not linear. That said, if you are getting consistently worse over a period of time, maybe consider trying other medication. I started SCD in 2013 and I was on Remicade at that time and I stayed on Remicade during many months before stopping it and relying on SCD only. The fact that I was already in remission made things a lot easier. SCD has been life changing for me but sometimes, even if we do everything right, it doesn't work 100%. I believe that even if diet plays a huge role, there are other factors that influence this disease. Needing to use medication is NOT a failure. Hang in there, keep trying things and know that things will get better eventually.
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 9/8/2020 1:11 PM (GMT -8)
It’s weird because I was doing so well for about two weeks then everything just went downhill and I was following it correctly. The integrative doc told me to stop the diet and told me this shouldn’t be happening. Thank you for your kind words.
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quincy
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Posted 9/9/2020 9:24 AM (GMT -8)
What exactly are your symptoms?
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 9/9/2020 2:13 PM (GMT -8)
Started off with fatigue and extreme hunger. The nutritionist told me to eat more protein so I ate tons of steak and then bleeding increased and it went downhill from there. I started the cortison enemas again. Completely cut out meat, wild blueberry smoothies, manuka honey, tons of kale and Argula and well see how it goes
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QuantEntangled
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Posted 9/9/2020 7:02 PM (GMT -8)
A few things to consider and I’m by no means an expert - If I needed to add protein, I’d start with something like fish or chicken. I eat steak but it’s inflammatory and hard on your colon etc. Although I eat a ton of salad (I was just tired of not having it) and deal with some discomfort as a result, it’s also tough of your body and kale especially so. I found red or green leaf lettuce to be easier on my body and when I do have kale, I shred it really really well.

The fatigue and hunger could be due to your flare and the possibility that your body is not absorbing nutrients. When you have a flat or inflammation, you aren’t able to absorb calories as effectively.

I’ve been taking Theracumin capsules and also have curcumin in my l-glutamine supplement. It’s anecdotal but I feel like the curcumin makes a difference for me.

Hang in there, you’ll get it figured out.
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poopydoop
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Posted 9/9/2020 11:27 PM (GMT -8)
Lack of carbs can cause fatigue.....
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Lili35
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Posted 9/10/2020 5:36 AM (GMT -8)
I agree that red meat is to be avoided or reduced, especially in the begining. I usually eat fish and chicken or turkey for protein and red meat once in a while. Another thing that helped immensly was to stop nightshades, ie tomatoes, eggplant and bell peppers. They are allowed on the SCD but I find that when you already have inflammation it makes things worse.
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Krissy P
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Posted 9/10/2020 11:22 AM (GMT -8)
I am not a big fan of the SCD diet. When I am trying to heal I do everything I can to reduce effort on the colon - so I cut out inflammatory foods like gluten, dairy, and sugar. And limit meats (NO red meat), no beans/corn/seeds/nuts/whole grains/uncooked veggies/fruits. Potatoes and rice are fine. Cooked veggies fine. I also intermittent fast - avoid foods between 8pm and 2pm next day, to give colon more time to rest/recover, but I do that year-round.

Post Edited (Krissy P) : 9/10/2020 1:27:26 PM (GMT-6)

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Claire444
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Posted 9/10/2020 5:15 PM (GMT -8)
Fat is the most calorie dense macronutrient, so you might try loading up on SCD legal fatty foods - nut butters, seed butters, avocados, olive oil, meat including fish, aged cheese, etc.
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QuantEntangled
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Posted 9/10/2020 6:39 PM (GMT -8)
Avocado was a saviour for me. I just checked my food log and I seemed to have done pretty well with the following:

- Eggs (fried, scrambled, or omelette)
- Sticky Rice
- Tiny bit of Soy Sauce
- Tofu
- Banana Muffins (homemade and very little sugar in the recipe, gluten-free) with peanut butter
- Homemade carrot, apple, and ginger soup
- Homemade white bread
- Sardines (I know but they are a good source of protein, omegas, and fat)
- I tried a few bites of vegan burger patties (lite life or beyond meat) and they seemed to sit ok. Lite Life ingredients are great and beyond meat have recently improved their ingredients. Good source of protein.
- Miso soup
- Chicken breast (no skin)
- Japchae with cooked veggies is a great option which I added a few weeks ago. You could have Japchae with tofu for a very well balanced, easy to digest meal, in my opinion.

The same doesn't work for everyone and you need to slowly work these things out. I kept a very detailed food log ad symptom tracker which helped a lot.
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 9/11/2020 8:33 AM (GMT -8)
Thank you everyone for all the suggestions! I joined a SCD Facebook group and almost everyone told me it’s normal to feel worse in the beginning. It’s the the bad bacteria dying off and the body detoxing. It makes sense because I’ve been eating better! I stopped listening to the nutritionist I don’t feel like she knew what she was talking about. I started a food journal and here is also what I’m doing:

-Epsom salt water baths
-manuka honey 2 tbsp 3 times a day
-wild blueberry smoothie with kale and protein broth
- no read meat
-shot glass of juiced ginger with curcumin
-visbiome
-SBI Protect
-L Glutamine

I’ll start to taper off the enemas in a few days and see how it goes. I’m still underweight but getting there
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HealingSarah123
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Posted 9/11/2020 8:35 AM (GMT -8)
I think potatoes and rice are okay for me too but I’m so scared to try them!
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Oligodar
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Posted 9/14/2020 11:21 PM (GMT -8)

Somebody said...
I joined a SCD Facebook group and almost everyone told me it’s normal to feel worse in the beginning. It’s the the bad bacteria dying off and the body detoxing. It makes sense because I’ve been eating better!

I believe that it is widespread myth. You should feel better within few hours/days if you exclude problematic food.
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ewafromwarsaw
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Posted 9/21/2020 3:36 PM (GMT -8)
I also have a tendency to weight loss. What helps me is banana smoothie. I peel 4-5 bananas, cut into slices and put into a freezer. When I take them out, I leave them for 15 minutes so they are a bit thawed and put them into a blender with Greek yogurth (sometimes I add mango). I've read that blueberries are not recommended in uc because they irritate the bowel, I personally can't eat them.
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Andreita
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Posted 9/22/2020 9:52 AM (GMT -8)
Hi Sarah. I tried SCD for about 8 months before giving up. I would have loved it if it had worked but sadly I was still bleeding.

I'm glad I tried it though. I tried many other things like CCherbal and nicotine patches. I ended up losing my colon. Not trying to discourage you. It's just what happened. I'm doing better now. I have the jpouch and while this isn't easy to live with either, I found that probiotics are my life saver now. I never bleed anymore so that's huge.

Hang in there
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TroubledTurds
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Posted 9/22/2020 5:47 PM (GMT -8)
hey Sarah - i haven't taken any drugs for a while, just relying on "wise" food choices - welllll, sometimes those not so wise choices get my colon cranky - and the way back to contented colon is ........ you guessed it, wiser choices -

as we all should know by now, each and every one of us have different versions of UC and different butts - so we all respond differently to whatever fixing method we choose - for me, as mentioned above, i just focus on good stuff in - but the reality for me is, it's not an overnite success - far from it :-( my last flare (which wasn't "bad") still took about a month to resolve - not like the old days when i'd just up the butt and oral meds and maybe add a little pred - i do miss those almost immediate turnarounds -

i guess what i'm saying is, for me anyway, i am patient cuz i know from experience, that healing takes time - and that's ok as long as my expectations are in line with reality -

hang in there -

TT
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