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journeytoheal
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Posted 1/3/2021 10:34 AM (GMT -7)
I have left-sided colitis am on meds and received the vaccine last Wednesday (Pfizer). I had some minor soreness at the injection site and felt like I was fighting something for a couple days following (e.g felt a little tired, very minor headache, somewhat blah) but feel completely fine now. No change with anything. I know the technology for this vaccine is new but they have long been studying the coronavirus. Since I am in healthcare and have daily contact with people in care who may or may not have the virus, I decided to trust the science that we know than to risk infection and spread to my family.
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@LoLil
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Posted 1/3/2021 9:59 PM (GMT -7)
I got the Moderna vaccine on 12/30/2020. No notable side effects except sore arm at jab site for 3 days. Much more sore than a flu shot.
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Uniform Charlie
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Posted 1/5/2021 9:46 AM (GMT -7)
Thought I should update that I've experienced frequent headaches on and off for the past 5 days or so. Had the Moderna shot 12 days ago. Likely related to sinus issues but just thought it was worth noting as it was a change from my initial post.
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IamCurious
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Posted 1/5/2021 10:58 AM (GMT -7)

CCinPA said...
The Covid vaccine was rushed, but by the time it's widely available a lot more will be known about it. If it's still safe in the spring/summer I will get it. Hope my reservations about Pfizer are unwarranted, but my spidey sense says something is amiss with that one.

I agree. It's understandable that those who are most vulnerable such as the elderly, diabetics, etc., or those with compromised immune systems may want to get vaccinated. But if you are otherwise relatively healthy then it wouldn't hurt to wait a few months to see there are any downsides to getting vaccinated.

At the end of this webpage is a short 3 minute video, with English subtitles, from a well known German virologist:
https://rairfoundation.com/dire-warning-prominent-virologist-dr-sucharit-bhakdi-exposes-major-risks-of-gene-altering-vaccine-video/

Here is the link posted earlier about the former vice president and Chief Science Officer of Pfizer who has serious reservations about Pfizer's vaccine. I chose the Liberty Beacon for the link because it was easiest to read, but if you don't like that source then you can google Dr. Michael Yeadon yourselves and see dozen of other sources essentially saying the same thing.
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/top-pfizer-whistleblower-trashes-companys-vaccine-breakthrough-spin/

ewafromwarsaw said...
I recently watched an interview with a virologist on TV who said that, in his opinion, people who underwent covid without any symptoms might be at risk taking the vaccine. The problem is that they may still have a lot of covid antibodies which, combined with a set of extra antibodies provided by the vaccine, can be overwhelming to a healthy immunological system.

This is discussed by Dr. Dolores Cahill. I hope she is wrong but she has impressive credentials (https://people.ucd.ie/dolores.cahill). It wouldn't hurt to hold off on getting vaccinated.

https://www.*****ute.com/video/Dxjp6nkwhWn8/
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ambling
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Posted 1/5/2021 3:09 PM (GMT -7)
You see Clo, recidivist, cannot stop dredging up nonsense about 'gene altering' etc from the rabbit holes of the dark web.
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poopydoop
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Posted 1/5/2021 3:46 PM (GMT -7)
On dolores cahill (probably more but it's midnight over here and I'm tired...)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ucd-professor-asked-to-resign-from-eu-committee-over-covid-19-claims-1.4277698
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clo2014
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Posted 1/6/2021 7:37 PM (GMT -7)
Ok...here goes....today is methotrexate night so I apologize in advance if I am disjointed.

I agree yet disagree. I can hear some moments that might cause me to think a little harder on the future outcome of the Covid 19 vaccination and on the usage of monoclonal antibodies. I think that-as with all new vaccines- we need to keep track of all developments. I know that right now hundreds of people are dieing of Covid19. I believe this vaccine is one way to be safe. I also believe that because this is new....issues may develop for a subset of individuals that receive the vaccine.

To me... Tracking of developments is nothing more than anecdotal information that has happened multiple times that requires additional research. So anecdotal information is a place to start and then based on that information you decide how much more research is required. If you shut down anecdotal information you may miss something.

I am on Remicade. There have been people that believe Remicade or any monoclonal medication will alter your immune system/DNA in some way or fashion. For me the benefit outweighs the risk.

When my opportunity to take the vaccine comes, I will gladly roll up my sleeve. I am aware that there is risk--but it is an acceptable risk for me. Every individual must educate themselves and make their decision based on their beliefs, needs and acceptable risk.

I appreciate hearing your point of view...even when I may not agree with all of it.

Clo

"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious."

"Science can flourish only in an atmosphere of free speech."
Albert Einstein
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ambling
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Posted 1/7/2021 10:45 AM (GMT -7)
The vaccine does not alter genes.
Bill Gates doesn't need more money.
Dr Fauci has not colluded with the vaccine makers in order to defraud the public and make money.

(Some people abuse 'free speech'. We've seen what happens when people are allowed, endlessly, to get away with lies and misinformation.
Einstein did not mean that people should freely and willfully lie, and deliberately deceive.)
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CCinPA
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Posted 1/7/2021 11:12 AM (GMT -7)
I checked with my doc as to when I would be eligible to get the vaccine and he said they have no info at this time and suggested I contact a pharmacy. The pharmacy didn't have any info and said "maybe March".

I hope that the new administration gets the vaccine distribution organized. At the rate we are going now it will take a decade to give it to everyone just in this country. Fauci says they are ramping up to do a million a day. Even that will take most of this year to do everyone. And there's a lot more that needs to be organized ... they will need people to give the shots and they will need a million syringes/needles,alcohol wipes/band aids EVERY DAY. This is a massive undertaking that clearly has not been well planned.
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clo2014
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Posted 1/7/2021 1:07 PM (GMT -7)
Ambling,

I certainly did not state any of the items listed in your post. I hope that part was not for me.

I enjoy your posts. You can be counted on to present information on subjects presented. I especially like it when you post links to counterbalance points of view.

Free speech is for everyone--even when you or I might not agree with what someone else is saying. We don't get to decide what someone else may believe or say.

And finally, we do not get to decide if someone is willfully, knowingly spreading misinformation unless there is proof indicating they are doing just that. This may be something they believe...or another side that they want to present or perhaps they want to gather information on it or debate it. Signing intent to what the other person is saying frequently causes people to become defensive and may halt discourse that could be beneficial to others. One becomes so focused in defending themselves they lose sight of gathering information. If discourse is free flowing and has a positive note people may then research others opinions. Intent is such a slippery slope. Maybe we should ask people before we assign intent? Lol...

My hope is that Einstein was advocating for the exchange of ideas and thoughts-for open discourse even when people do not agree with what someone else says or believes. We do not live in an autocratic society where we get to limit what someone says, thinks or believes. My father was an immigrant and the freedoms granted in the US are very near and dear to my heart. Freedom of speech is at the top of my list and I will defend it every time. Intent is up there too-especially when you have governments or others assigning intent for your peaceful words or actions that they might not endorse and the next thing you know family members are in prison. So for me it is very important to never take those things for granted.

I would not want to be a domineering person that stops anyone's freedom of expression-nor would I want someone to be that way towards me. (And please note--that is not what I am saying you are doing either...) I am trying to show how discourse can be impacted.

Back on task....

My friend that had the headache after the vaccine...she said it has gotten just a little better but has not gone away. It's still pretty bad. She is going in to see the doctor in the morning. She has developed vertigo...

I still believe in the shot and will get it at the first opportunity.

Clo
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.

Post Edited (clo2014) : 1/7/2021 1:10:03 PM (GMT-7)

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clo2014
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Posted 1/7/2021 2:10 PM (GMT -7)
Just got off the phone with my hometown/home county pharmacy in Texas. They are thinking March here too...and that's for people with health issues. Yikes!! Actually I called several pharmacies trying to find the vaccine in Texas. I was told the counties are allowing only their county residents to get the vaccine there. I have to stay in my county--even though all my doctors are out of Dallas Baylor. My doctors at Dallas Baylor stated the hospital is taking care of the vaccinations so they are not.

The county health department stated maybe as long as April if I go thru them. Yikes! Any ideas???

Clo
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poopydoop
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Posted 1/7/2021 3:04 PM (GMT -7)
Hmm march/april is still not too bad. I checked the latest info for the Netherlands and for under 60s it's "between end of February and end of August". Can't bear to think I might be penned up till September.
They just started vaccinating here today - 6000 people.... this is going to take a while
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clo2014
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Posted 1/7/2021 6:08 PM (GMT -7)
It is going to take awhile. I thought that the vaccines would be done like the Covid testing...go online, make an appointment, then just drive thru. That is not happening yet in the county I am in. Here you have to check the list in the State of Texas website, call to see if the listed places have the vaccine, and then rush out there and wait in line. There are some counties that are just now starting to utilize the Covid testing format. I just hope they hurry up. So many people are getting this and it can be fatal for them.

Stay safe everyone!
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ambling
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Posted 1/7/2021 8:03 PM (GMT -7)
This isn't some game, where we can debate philosophical points of view in flowery terms.

When someone spreads misinformation, mistruth, and is corrected so many times by so many people, yet continues to spread those falsehoods, that is the very definition of wilful lying.

Adults are accountable for the things they say. The truth matters.


Thousands of people are dying daily, not hundreds. And we've seen what happens when the lies get repeated.
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