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Suppositories with Amino Acids that strengthen the mucosa lining

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IBDGal
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Posted 1/11/2021 11:09 PM (GMT -7)
I found some very interesting suppositories on Amazon - they have essential amino acids including threonine. There have been many people on this forum who have had varying levels of success with whey protein, different amino acids, and there have been UC published studies on threonine, proline, serine, and cysteine and how effective they are in rebuilding the mucin of the mucosa in the colon. I am not going to put the name of the product and company here since it might break rules but I have used this company's glutathione suppositories in the past for my ulcerative colitis - it was kind of a mixed result - but there was some impact for sure. In my case, my rectum and sigmoid colon have the worst inflammation. I have had success with whey protein, glycine, threonine orally but what do people think of an amino acid suppository that includes threonine delivered rectally through a suppository? Would it be a better mechanism of delivery since it would go STRAIGHT to the inflammation instead of having to go through the entire GI tract before getting to the colon?
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quincy
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Posted 1/12/2021 12:36 AM (GMT -7)
It's gi tract, not track.
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IBDGal
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Posted 1/12/2021 2:59 PM (GMT -7)
typo! Thanks! Any thoughts on the topic?

quincy said...
It's gi tract, not track.
q

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Jane974
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Posted 1/12/2021 6:24 PM (GMT -7)
Are you sure that mesalamine 4g enemas don't work for you? They are the best weapon we have for rectal inflammation and are generally more effective than steroid enemas. If you have a hypersensitivity to them, then forget it, but sometimes they can work even if they previously didn't once your inflammation is under better control. I don't know anything about the suppositories you tried.
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ambling
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Posted 1/12/2021 6:53 PM (GMT -7)
Unfortunately those amino acids don't go straight to the area.
They will get absorbed into the blood stream, and are then used by the body in the normal way. It's probably better to simply eat more complete protein.
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IBDGal
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Posted 1/14/2021 2:31 AM (GMT -7)
I have had success with steroid enemas. But, the steroid enema is something that is like a bandage to calm the inflammation down. I believe, based on all of the research articles and my personal experience, that specific amino acids (Threonine, Proline, Serine, Cysteine according to the research) is able to actually rebuild the lining to make it stronger and healthier.

Jane974 said...
Are you sure that mesalamine 4g enemas don't work for you? They are the best weapon we have for rectal inflammation and are generally more effective than steroid enemas. If you have a hypersensitivity to them, then forget it, but sometimes they can work even if they previously didn't once your inflammation is under better control. I don't know anything about the suppositories you tried.

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Posted 1/14/2021 2:35 AM (GMT -7)
Are you sure that is the case? I believe there is also absorption by the intestines. For example, in a previous thread one of the posters on this forum said that eating lobster helped her a lot and later discovered through experiments that the key was the threonine level in the lobster. My understanding is that the food provides the nutrients to the lining via digestion and having foods high in amino acids (that are healthy for the lining) are delivered directly to the lining through the food.

Even if this were not to be the case, and if most of the amino acid does go straight into the blood, it would still have to go through the liver. Hence, I think the benefit of a suppository delivery would deliver more of the amino acid.

ambling said...
Unfortunately those amino acids don't go straight to the area.
They will get absorbed into the blood stream, and are then used by the body in the normal way. It's probably better to simply eat more complete protein.

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ambling
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Posted 1/14/2021 3:44 AM (GMT -7)
Yeah I'm sure.

Digestion of protein is complex. Gastric juices begin the breakdown, then pancreatic and intestinal enzymes continue to break down the peptide bonds into smaller peptide bonds, and then finally free amino acids. That happens along the way through the small intestine (mostly the upper small intestine).
The large intestine can absorb water and some minerals, but it cannot breakdown whole protein. It isn't designed for that.

A couple of grams of free amino acids (not a lot) delivered via suppository, could be absorbed into the blood stream and circulate. It isn't like topical medications such as steroid or mesalamine enemas.
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IBDGal
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Posted 1/14/2021 3:17 PM (GMT -7)
But I am talking about free-form amino acid suppositories and NOT protein complex suppositories. Of coures proteins have to be broken down but this is not proteins in the suppositories. Its free form amino acids. Therefore, there is no breakdown needed, there are no peptide bonds needed to broken down into smaller peptide bonds. See what I am saying? The suppository product that I am looking at is already in its pure broken down form of a free amino acid so it should be readily absorbable.

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Yeah I'm sure.

Digestion of protein is complex. Gastric juices begin the breakdown, then pancreatic and intestinal enzymes continue to break down the peptide bonds into smaller peptide bonds, and then finally free amino acids. That happens along the way through the small intestine (mostly the upper small intestine).
The large intestine can absorb water and some minerals, but it cannot breakdown whole protein. It isn't designed for that.

A couple of grams of free amino acids (not a lot) delivered via suppository, could be absorbed into the blood stream and circulate. It isn't like topical medications such as steroid or mesalamine enemas.

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ambling
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Posted 1/14/2021 5:17 PM (GMT -7)
That's what I said....
" A couple of grams of free amino acids (not a lot) delivered via suppository, could be absorbed into the blood stream and circulate. It isn't like topical medications such as steroid or mesalamine enemas. "

I already explained in an earlier post that they will not go straight to the area.

And I also addressed your remark about lobster, by explaining protein digestion, ok?
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IBDGal
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Posted 1/15/2021 10:44 PM (GMT -7)
bad mood? Well, certainly, you are not the authority of whether it will or will not be absorbed straight to the area. But thank you for your response and your opinion.

ambling said...
That's what I said....
" A couple of grams of free amino acids (not a lot) delivered via suppository, could be absorbed into the blood stream and circulate. It isn't like topical medications such as steroid or mesalamine enemas. "

I already explained in an earlier post that they will not go straight to the area.

And I also addressed your remark about lobster, by explaining protein digestion, ok?

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Posted 1/16/2021 1:05 AM (GMT -7)
I think- if I understand correctly- ambling is saying the amino acids will be absorbed through the wall of the colon and into the bloodstream, rather than staying "on site" as it were to rebuild the damaged wall. But I'm not an expert in this area for sure.
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ambling
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Posted 1/16/2021 1:24 AM (GMT -7)
Yes poopydoop, that is exactly the case.

Not sure why you need to be so rude IBD girl?
I am, in fact, an authority in this case.

I'll avoid helping you if you prefer.
Take care
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brucen36
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Posted 1/16/2021 9:22 PM (GMT -7)
I don't think the amino acids ever act locally anyways. They must be absorbed first by the epithelial cells and incorporated into the protein mucin inside the cell, after which it is secreted into the gut. i.e. there is no known mechanism for directly incorporating amino acids into a protein already present in gut lumen. So will it get absorbed if taken by suppository, probably yes, but is that more helpful than taking orally, who knows?! It might be.
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IBDGal
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Posted 1/17/2021 4:45 AM (GMT -7)
well i know this - in most ulcerative colitis patients (at least definitely mine as per my biopsy of the intestinal wall), the inflammation causes injury to the crypts and the goblet cells. In my colonoscopy and biopsy, it was described that the crypts and the goblet cells were damaged. Below I have included an excerpt on the function of the goblet cells. Given that these cells are responsible for nutrient digestion and utilize amino acids to create mucin glycoproteins, I am hypothesizing that a more direct delivery to these goblet cells could be more ideal.

Goblet cells are a type of intestinal mucosal epithelial cell, which serves as the primary site for nutrient digestion and mucosal absorption. The primary function of goblet cells is to synthesize and secrete mucus. As the primary secretory cell in the superficial epithelium of large airways, goblet cells secrete mucin glycoproteins, which are the major macromolecular components of mucus. Different types of goblet cells can be identified based on location and function.
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IBDGal
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Posted 1/17/2021 4:55 AM (GMT -7)
Your reply had seemed condescending but perhaps you did not intend it to be that way. I think, in general, the body functions in complex ways so those with biochemistry type backgrounds would be best able to address this. Maybe that is indeed your background.

ambling said...
Yes poopydoop, that is exactly the case.

Not sure why you need to be so rude IBD girl?
I am, in fact, an authority in this case.

I'll avoid helping you if you prefer.
Take care

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ambling
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Posted 1/17/2021 6:26 AM (GMT -7)
Yeah, my background.

The small intestine handles nutrient digestion. The large bowel mostly absorbs water and a few minerals. Since UC affects the large bowel, protein digestion and absorption should not be an issue.

Goblet cells in the large bowel mostly secrete mucus.
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