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garyi
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Posted 2/15/2021 12:34 PM (GMT -8)

Old Hat...... in light of reports on Moderna #2 shots; Dr. Fauci even said following his that it said...
iped" him "out" for the 24 hours afterward. Phooey! / Old Hat

He's an 80 year old man, who doesn't exercise much, and as some say has delusions of grandeur. ;-)

My wife and I have both had two Moderna shots, with nary a problem. We are all different.
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Old Hat
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Posted 2/15/2021 1:41 PM (GMT -8)
Au contraire, Dr. Fauci has been a distance runner for decades, after playing on basketball teams in H.S. & college. For some reason other than Dr. Fauci, that Moderna vaccine is being foisted off on large urban areas with known lower economic communities. Japan, which has the largest ratio of seniors to other adult cohorts among the developed countries, has recently ordered large from Pfizer. I agree that IBD complicates the issue because we tend toward greater heterogeneity in response to meds, but we or any other patients with complex underlying conditions don't need to be clobbered by vaccine side effects in addition, and senior age makes them even more risky. It could be that Moderna would better suit younger adults w/o pre-existing health conditions. / Old Hat
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songlady
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Posted 2/16/2021 10:23 AM (GMT -8)
I had Moderna. First shot 1/13, no issues; a red bump on the arm at the injection site. (Just a little more pronounced than if I'd had the flu shot.) Second shot, 2/10. The next 1 1/2 days I had fever (100 at the highest) and some mild aches. Then it lifted and I am fine. My arm had a red spot that itched for several days, at the injection site. I wouldn't have noticed except I really looked!
Some places around here only have Moderna, others have both Pfizer and Moderna. The health dept. where I got my first dose only had Moderna, so I don't know if people have a choice.
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Old Hat
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Posted 2/16/2021 6:37 PM (GMT -8)
The itching red Moderna injection site had an article heading on CNN Website about a week ago, which I intended to read, but then another topic distracted me so that I signed out w/o returning to click into the Moderna article. I think the redness + itching happened to enough injectees that it got acknowledged as a side effect, but not considered to be a major reaction. / Old Hat
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geezernow
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Posted 2/17/2021 4:31 AM (GMT -8)
Got 2nd shot of Moderna Monday. This time, I had NO side affects. Didn't even have a sore arm. Now, on to see if anyone has any problems from this stuff in the future. From what I've been able to learn, WE ARE the trial testers. LOL Good luck all. My sister in law did NOT get any vaccines. She just got out of the hospital after two stays. Now she has blood clots in her lungs and will be taking lots of blood thinners for the next three months at least. She developed a bad stomach bleed due to the blood thinners and had to get several units of blood; she also had a minor heart attack while in hospital. This Corona or Covid or whatever they are calling it this week, is no joke. I'd rather gamble on the vaccine than battle the effects of actually getting the virus. With injured lungs already, plus UC, I really don't want anymore illnesses! Now....if I begin to glow in a pale green color in the future....LOL time shall tell. Stay well all and be safe.
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texasmax
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Posted 2/18/2021 1:11 PM (GMT -8)
1st shot of Moderna, injection site soreness and a solid headache for a full day the following day. 2nd shot on Feb. 3 and felt like a heavy head cold for 36 hours starting the following day. On Remicade and nothing else. Oh, and got shingles 2 days ago (was very mild at first and didn't think anything of it. Saw a few more spots last night, did a Teladoc visit, and on Valtrex as of this morning).
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Assisbleeding
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Posted 2/27/2021 1:44 PM (GMT -8)
Don’t take either vaccine

99 % survival rate
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ByeByeUC
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Posted 2/27/2021 3:48 PM (GMT -8)
I think I’m going to wait for the J & J vaccine.
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poopydoop
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Posted 2/28/2021 4:19 AM (GMT -8)

Assisbleeding said...
Don’t take either vaccine

99 % survival rate

Yeah having seen friends in their 30s be incapacitated for 9 months by long covid, I am very much looking forward to getting a vaccine.

One of them had both her pfizer shots and says after the 2nd shot her lingering post-covid symptoms went away!
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jujub
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Posted 2/28/2021 5:19 AM (GMT -8)
I have had first dose of Moderna, with no adverse effects. Hearing about all the people who have "recovered" from Covid who are still having issues months later, I will definitely complete whatever series is necessary.
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Michelejc
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Posted 2/28/2021 7:15 AM (GMT -8)

ByeByeUC said...
I think I’m going to wait for the J & J vaccine.

That's what I am waiting for
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Old Hat
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Posted 2/28/2021 11:14 AM (GMT -8)
Jujub (Judy2) is a medical professional with yrs of UC experience, who used to post here regularly, and I've missed her valuable input more recently. So, welcome back and I hope you'll stay with us, J.!!!!!!! / Old Hat
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ByeByeUC
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Posted 2/28/2021 1:49 PM (GMT -8)

Michelejc said...

ByeByeUC said...
I think I’m going to wait for the J & J vaccine.

That's what I am waiting for

There’s just something about the technology of the Moderna and pfizer vaccines that makes me uneasy. I can’t help but think somewhere down the line we will hear of issues from these vaccines. I feel better about the J & J vaccine. Now is the challenge of being able to chose.
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IamCurious
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Posted 2/28/2021 2:41 PM (GMT -8)

Michelejc said...

ByeByeUC said...
I think I’m going to wait for the J & J vaccine.

That's what I am waiting for

That may not be a bad idea. The coronavirus mRNA vaccines are EXPERIMENTAL injections made available without animal studies or any long term testing. Considering that the chances for the young and healthy dying from Covid-19 are minuscule then why should those who are not at high risk volunteer to take it?

Covid Mortality Risk by Age (from the CDC):
0-24:   1 in 250,000
25-44: 1 in 16,666
45-65: 1 in 2,500
65+: 1 in 500

However many in this forum are immuno-compromised so the fatality statistics for the young and healthy may not apply. I am not a medical professional and don't really know, but perhaps the Johnson & Johnson vaccine might be a more viable option since it is an adenovirus-based vaccine.

I do not know if J&J's vaccine has been extensively tested for vaccine side effects, but adenovirus-based vaccines are used against a wide variety of pathogens, including Mycobacterium tuberculosis, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and Plasmodium falciparum (malaria).

Post Edited (IamCurious) : 2/28/2021 3:45:57 PM (GMT-7)

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beave
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Posted 2/28/2021 3:36 PM (GMT -8)
What does EXPERIMENTAL mean, and why did you capitalize it (other than to fearmonger)?
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IamCurious
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Posted 2/28/2021 3:41 PM (GMT -8)
The CDC calls the vaccines experimental to be used only in an emergency. This is important because experimental vaccines cannot be forced or mandated.
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beave
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Posted 2/28/2021 4:28 PM (GMT -8)
Why don't they use ALL CAPS?
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ambling
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Posted 2/28/2021 5:58 PM (GMT -8)
The idea is to achieve herd immunity (at least 75% immunized)
It is ridiculous to suggest that young people, and healthy people, don't need to get the vaccine. That defeats the purpose of eradicating the spread of the virus.
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poopydoop
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Posted 2/28/2021 11:37 PM (GMT -8)
Also it's not just about mortality, but the fact that roughly 10% who have a covid infection develop long covid (i.e. symptoms lasting months), including young fit and healthy people.
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IamCurious
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Posted 3/1/2021 8:29 AM (GMT -8)

ambling said...
The idea is to achieve herd immunity (at least 75% immunized)
It is ridiculous to suggest that young people, and healthy people, don't need to get the vaccine. That defeats the purpose of eradicating the spread of the virus.

It is possible, nobody is really sure, but vaccinated people might still be able to transmit the virus to others. That is why medical authorities advise those who have been vaccinated to continue wearing masks, social distance, etc.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/post-vaccination-risk-is-a-false-dilemma/618149/
Anthony Fauci said last week on CNN that “it is conceivable, maybe likely,” that vaccinated people can get infected with the coronavirus and then spread it to someone else

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html
the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus...

“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”
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ambling
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Posted 3/1/2021 9:10 AM (GMT -8)
Duhhh, it's certain if you don't get vaccinated.
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