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VCcolitistoiletrunner
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Posted 3/6/2021 10:13 AM (GMT -6)
My first post on this forum, read it for years, finally decided to join the party. I’ve had UC for 15 years, and to my question.
What’s the take on the Covid vaccine ? I had Covid back in December, and came through it fine.
My concern with the vaccine is the inflammatory response, has anyone had the shot, and what was your experience ?
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momto2boys
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Posted 3/6/2021 1:34 PM (GMT -6)
I had my first dose on Thursday (Pfizer) and other than feeling tired that day I had no side effects. My arm was sore on Friday but it is 90% gone today.
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straydog
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Posted 3/6/2021 1:43 PM (GMT -6)
We've got 2 threads on this page about folks getting the shot or waiting. I had the Moderna shot Teusday, had a bit of a sore arm for a couple days & that's it.

You may want to talk to your dr to check your antibodies since you've already had the virus. No one knows how long the antibodies will last.
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poopydoop
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Posted 3/6/2021 3:09 PM (GMT -6)
I would JUMP at the chance to get a vaccine, especially pfizer or moderna. But I'm in the EU which means I have to wait months still.
Folks in the US are very very privileged with regards to covid vaccines.

I've had tons of other vaccines and none of them had any impact on my UC. Can't see why covid should be different.
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VCcolitistoiletrunner
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Posted 3/7/2021 1:34 AM (GMT -6)
The main concern is an overactive immune response. We already deal with inflammation, and that’s what the vaccine creates. Again, mainly was asking the question to see if the vaccine caused a flare, or made a flare worse. My GP thinks because I was on Budesonide, that’s why my symptoms were mild. I’ve also read because people like us are on immunosuppressive drugs, it might limit the effectiveness of the vaccine. Just wanted some feedback how others were doing with the vaccine, and if there were any adverse reactions related to UC. Both my GI and GP want me to wait till May before getting it.
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poopydoop
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Posted 3/7/2021 7:52 AM (GMT -6)
Sure, there's a thread further down the page where you can read about direct experiences (i think it's called "pfizer or moderna" or similar)

I've not heard of anyone flaring from covid vaccine, or any other vaccine, and don't see why they should.
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Michelejc
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Posted 3/7/2021 8:21 AM (GMT -6)
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=4236425

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=4239430
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IamCurious
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Posted 3/7/2021 8:38 AM (GMT -6)

VCcolitistoiletrunner said...
My GP thinks because I was on Budesonide, that’s why my symptoms were mild

According to researchers at the University of Oxford , your GP might be right.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
Common asthma treatment reduces need for hospitalisation in COVID-19 patients, study suggests

https://www.timesofisrael.com/common-asthma-drug-can-reduce-covid-hospitalizations-by-90-study/
Inhaling the steroid budesonide reduced by 90 percent the need for urgent care or hospitalization, when compared with the use of the usual treatment for virus patients, the Reuters news agency reported Tuesday, citing the Oxford experts.
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ambling
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Posted 3/7/2021 9:12 AM (GMT -6)
Budesonide that is inhaled has a very different effect than budesonide used to treat the colon. It's a topical med.
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VCcolitistoiletrunner
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Posted 3/7/2021 9:55 AM (GMT -6)
The theory, with steroids your immune system is tamped down. Really bad outcomes with Covid have been from cytokine storms, in other words, hyper immune response, which we already deal with our immune systems attacking our body. My wife, who also had it back in December, was treated with steroids. I intend to get vaccinated, hoping in the next couple months to hear more about people like us, and how the vaccine interacts with the disease and the efficacy.
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IamCurious
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Posted 3/7/2021 12:43 PM (GMT -6)

VCcolitistoiletrunner said...
I had Covid back in December, and came through it fine...
My GP thinks because I was on Budesonide, that’s why my symptoms were mild


straydog said...
You may want to talk to your dr to check your antibodies since you've already had the virus

Just curious, but why get vaccinated against Covid if you may already have antibodies against the virus?
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MmeMulot
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Posted 3/7/2021 1:57 PM (GMT -6)

IamCurious said...
Just curious, but why get vaccinated against Covid if you may already have antibodies against the virus?

Because there have been cases of people getting Covid twice. Also, the level of antibodies after having Covid apparently differs among people. Because the virus is so new, they honestly don't know yet how long antibodies last or what level of protection they offer, especially against new variants.
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Old Hat
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Posted 3/7/2021 2:46 PM (GMT -6)
Yes, 3TimesChamp posted in another recent thread that his latest COVID antibody test shows a sharp decline from what they were in autumn. (He got COVID & needed hospitalization for several days last March.) Also, from what I hear about seniors already vaccinated, the Moderna vaccine seems to stir up more of an immune response, especially dose #2, than Pfizer does. My dentist (healthy 65 yr-old) got the Moderna shots, needed to sleep for 13 hrs straight after 2nd shot & said that the only advantage to Moderna is that it confers 60% protection after dose #1, but spouse (a cancer survivor) got Pfizer & had zero discomfort following both shots. *** Researchers don't expect answers to length of protection conferred by the mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 before the end of September 2021 at the earliest-- because clinical trial subjects got their 2nd doses starting in Sept. 2020. / Old Hat
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3timechamp
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Posted 3/7/2021 2:55 PM (GMT -6)
Got Covid last March 25th was very sick. Almost got put on ventilator . Was tested in Nov -no Covid and anti bodies were 2.8 which I was told was a high count. Tested 2 weeks ago and no Covid and anti bodies were 1.7. 1.4 is considered normal/average. Both test were beginning of month. So in 4 months i went down 1.1. I'm 62yo. Very good shape. 6'5-225. No spleen. No colon. Looking to get vaccine sooner then later

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Old Hat
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Posted 3/8/2021 2:19 PM (GMT -6)
RE Runner's concern about one's inflammatory response to mRNA vaccines: Over the weekend a scary story came to media from Miami, Florida-- where widow of 56 yr-old (healthy) obstetrician hubby affiliated with Miami Med Center Hospital reports that he died of cerebral hemorrhage a couple weeks after getting 2nd Pfizer vaccine shot. She says that he noticed red spots on hands a couple days afterward & went to get checked out at the center. His blood tests there revealed a lack of platelets, then succeeding tests showed that his body totally lost capacity to produce new platelets-- so that his blood could no longer clot!!!!!!! Finally he had a stroke while hospitalized, which caused fatal bleeding in his brain. *** This story reminded me that when Moderna vaccine got initial approval back in Dec., I read online that some researchers thought NOBODY WITH ANY MEDICAL HISTORY OF ANAPHYLAXIS reaction to any chemical whatsoever SHOULD GET THE mRNA VACCINES! / Old Hat *** P.S. Poopydoop could likely give a science-informed opinion on this.
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MmeMulot
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Posted 3/9/2021 5:37 PM (GMT -6)
I got the first dose of the Moderna vaccine yesterday. I had a slight headache for a few hours and a sore arm yesterday. Today my arm was less sore, but the headache came back. I took two Tylenol and the headache went away.

I fretted over whether to get the Moderna/Pfizer vaccine or wait for the Johnson & Johnson, which was available here this coming weekend. Kind of drove myself a little crazy over it. I finally decided that they all have their pluses and minuses, and we just don't know enough about any of them to make an informed decision on which is "best." So it's a bit of a crap shoot. However, we KNOW that Covid can be deadly or long-term debilitating (I have a good friend who is a "long hauler" with still severe repercussions after having Covid last March). So I ended up taking the first available appointment and decided to accept whichever one they gave me.

I'm still worried about having a bad reaction to the vaccine, especially after the second shot. It scares me. But I have pretty severe health anxiety, so I'm always worrying about that!
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UCinGV
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Posted 3/10/2021 7:51 AM (GMT -6)
Has anyone gotten a covid vaccine while on long-term Imuran? How were things following the shots?

I have a Pfizer shot scheduled for Friday. . .
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straydog
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Posted 3/10/2021 10:26 AM (GMT -6)
In the other thread about the 2 vaccines, some members are on Imuran, maybe ask your question in that thread. Drs are telling us it's best to get the shots than run the risk of getting the virus without some protection.
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CCinPA
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Posted 3/10/2021 5:15 PM (GMT -6)
also see this thread:
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=4239578&r=x#gsc.tab=0

as well as the ones Michele posted:
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=4236425

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=4239430
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IamCurious
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Posted 3/24/2021 10:32 AM (GMT -6)
fyi:
The new BCG vaccine might be available in July. It may be a safer alternative to the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna which were approved thru an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).
But we will know more after we see the results of a large-group placebo vs inoculum study taking place in Canada .

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/if-you-absolutely-must-vaccinate-against-covid-19-out-of-fear-or-coercion-hold-out-for-this-already-proven-vaccine/

These same researchers reveal there already is a proven safe and effective vaccine that protects against COVID-19 via activation of T-cells – – the Bacille Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine for another infectious lung disease — tuberculosis.  It is derived from a mycobacterium (mycobacterium bovis) found in cattle. It is a “live” but attenuated bacterium.

Evidence for the BCG vaccine to quell COVID-19 infections is compelling.

A study published in November of 2020 confirms that BCG vaccine protects health care workers from COVID-19 infection. Healthcare workers previously inoculated with BCG vaccine experienced a marked decrease in COVID-19 infection.

Population studies reveal the potential of BCG vaccination. Epidemiologists project a 37% decrease in COVID-19 mortality between East Germany which was vaccinated with BCG vaccine and not West Germany.

Statisticians claim there would have been 80% fewer COVID-19 deaths in the US by March 29, 2020 had the country employed mandatory BCG vaccination since 2000.

BCG vaccine is so safe it is approved for use with neonates, children and adults for almost 100 years.

Post Edited (IamCurious) : 3/24/2021 2:32:14 PM (GMT-6)

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Old Hat
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Posted 3/24/2021 11:00 AM (GMT -6)
COVID-19 is viral; TB is bacterial. Polio is also viral; original polio control via Salk (killed-virus) vaccine required 2 injections delivered a month apart, plus recommended booster shot a yr afterward. / Old Hat (40 yrs with left-sided UC)
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poopydoop
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Posted 3/24/2021 12:38 PM (GMT -6)
There have been some trials looking at whether the BCG/TB vaccine can protect against covid, the results are not promising, see here:
https://www.umcutrecht.nl/nl/over-ons/nieuws/pers/tuberculosis-vaccine-does-not-protect-vulnerable-elderly-people-against-covid-19
The conclusion is clear: the BCG vaccine does not offer vulnerable elderly people protection against COVID-19. While disappointing, it is important to share the preliminary data immediately, especially during the ongoing pandemic. The BCG-PRIME study will be continued to investigate whether BCG vaccination protects against serious respiratory infections and/or severe forms of COVID-19
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VanJordan
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Posted 3/24/2021 2:09 PM (GMT -6)
I'm waiting for the Astrazeneca vaccine because it has fewer allergic reactions. I don't trust the synthetic nanotech in Moderna and Pfizer as I already have MCAS and the last thing I need is a massive inflammatory response to synthetic particles. I tend to not react well to vaccines in general. My UC always flares when I get one because my body is super reactive. My cousin who has Crohn's had hypertensive crisis after getting the Moderna one, her BP was 190/100 and she had to be hospitalized, and she usually has normal BP.
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beave
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Posted 3/24/2021 6:18 PM (GMT -6)

IamCurious said...
fyi:
The new BCG vaccine might be available in July. It may be a safer alternative to the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna which were approved thru an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).
But we will know more after we see the results of a large-group placebo vs inoculum study taking place in Canada .

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/if-you-absolutely-must-vaccinate-against-covid-19-out-of-fear-or-coercion-hold-out-for-this-already-proven-vaccine/

These same researchers reveal there already is a proven safe and effective vaccine that protects against COVID-19 via activation of T-cells – – the Bacille Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine for another infectious lung disease — tuberculosis.  It is derived from a mycobacterium (mycobacterium bovis) found in cattle. It is a “live” but attenuated bacterium.

Evidence for the BCG vaccine to quell COVID-19 infections is compelling.

A study published in November of 2020 confirms that BCG vaccine protects health care workers from COVID-19 infection. Healthcare workers previously inoculated with BCG vaccine experienced a marked decrease in COVID-19 infection.

Population studies reveal the potential of BCG vaccination. Epidemiologists project a 37% decrease in COVID-19 mortality between East Germany which was vaccinated with BCG vaccine and not West Germany.

Statisticians claim there would have been 80% fewer COVID-19 deaths in the US by March 29, 2020 had the country employed mandatory BCG vaccination since 2000.

BCG vaccine is so safe it is approved for use with neonates, children and adults for almost 100 years.

I'm truly impressed at your ability to dredge up bullsh!t from the deepest, darkest depths of the internet.
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Twingirls
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Posted 3/24/2021 6:20 PM (GMT -6)
If anyone is interested who is going to be vaccinated or just was vaccinated John Hopkins is doing research on people who are immune suppressed. They are watching antibody levels. http://vaccineresponse.org/patients/
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